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Under 24 Month Positives in the UK

Interesting- they were finding positive Under 30 Month cattle for 11 years after they found the first one....
 
What was the rate of contaminated material?

How does the Uk experience differ from North America?

How many cases pre-ruminant by-product exclusion?
 
Murgen said:
How does the Uk experience differ from North America?
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This is why I get such a kick out of people who either say
1) Our testing is plenty good enough to get an adequate handle on how widespread the disease is.

or

2) We're obviously much lower risk than the next guy, even though our testing standards are poorer.

Granted, feeding ruminant by products was much more wide spread within the UK, but until 100% testing is done, there can be no assurances that anyone knows the true proliferation of the disease within North America. Even the most accurate statistics model is still nothing more than an educated guess.

Rod
 
So what?

Most of what Creekstone planned to send were far younger than that.



~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
So what?

Most of what Creekstone planned to send were far younger than that.



~SH~
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Then it would have insured they didn't have bse, wouldn't it, SH?
 
Conman: "Then it would have insured they didn't have bse, wouldn't it, SH?"
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Hardly!

If the prions don't even show up until the animal is at least 24 months old it doesn't insure a damn thing. It's pure deception and totally understandable why you would support it. Par for your lying course.


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
Conman: "Then it would have insured they didn't have bse, wouldn't it, SH?"
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Hardly!

If the prions don't even show up until the animal is at least 24 months old it doesn't insure a damn thing. It's pure deception and totally understandable why you would support it. Par for your lying course.


~SH~
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Look at the chart again.

What definition of deception are you using?
 
The vast majority of the cattle Creekstone planned to send to Japan were a lot younger than the youngest animal on the chart. There is no reason to test an animal that will not reveal bse prions UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

Keep defending the deception Sandbag, I'd expect nothing less from you.


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
The vast majority of the cattle Creekstone planned to send to Japan were a lot younger than the youngest animal on the chart. There is no reason to test an animal that will not reveal bse prions UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

Keep defending the deception Sandbag, I'd expect nothing less from you.


~SH~
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There's no deception.

You throw that word around like you know what it means.
 
You know damn well it's deception. When Japanese consumers buy bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free not create an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

You support deception like it should be perfectly acceptable.


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
You know damn well it's deception. When Japanese consumers buy bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free not create an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

You support deception like it should be perfectly acceptable.


~SH~
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Japanese consumers must like that "illusion of safety" since they still are testing all cattle in Japan for those same Japanese consumers- even the under 20 month olds...
 
I suppose that would explain why they are importing untested beef from Canada and the US wouldn't it?


~SH~
 
Hi Scotty! Buying Untested beef eh. I was at one of our local cheerleading sessions for our local ABP/CCA :roll: ---again putting forward a resolution to ASK our federal government to ASK the Japanese or any other potential export country if they would take beef tested for BSE at their standards ----- when -----
One of the CCA reps caught me at the door and asked why I keep pressing the testing issue. He told me that the Japanese were taking all the age verified beef that they wanted right now, and that age verified product in Canada was basically staying in Canada or the USA.

My response was - maybe sir you just answered the question yourself - The Japanese government is accepting the toe of USDA's, and Canada's puppet organisation, boot but the consumer is holding out for product with similar standards to their own.

What benefit do you see from not testing Scotty? And please don't refer to the cost issue.
 
~SH~ said:
You know damn well it's deception. When Japanese consumers buy bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free not create an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

You support deception like it should be perfectly acceptable.


~SH~
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That's not deception. If they're asking for testing, providing it is not deception, it's meeting a consumer's demand. It may be a foolish purchase, but it certainly is not deception. Buy a dictionary and look up the word.

Do I need to point out the parallels between testing and organic product to you again?
 
~SH~ said:
I suppose that would explain why they are importing untested beef from Canada and the US wouldn't it?


~SH~
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You want to try to explain the millions being spent and the effort to "gain their trust" if we are providing what they want?

Agman would disappear every time I asked him that question. He's a BSer, but he's smart enough to cut out when it won't spread anymore. Are you?
 
SH Wrote:

If the prions don't even show up until the animal is at least 24 months old it doesn't insure a damn thing. It's pure deception and totally understandable why you would support it. Par for your lying course.
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Prions will show up if the test is sensitive enough to find them. Perhaps you should ask whether or not the test is sensitive enough before making your assumptions??? The testing protocol and the actual sensitivity of the test become the true measure of whether or not PrPsc will be detected within the sample. The age of the animal has little to do with it whereas the time span between the infection point and the diagnostic point matters more so.

It is important to note that the 24 - 30 month age limit was a carte blanch figure determined to make a decisive statement as to the average incubation period of the detectable PrPsc based upon the then available testing procedures and protcols. Our own Canadian Government officials openly stated that it was impossible for cattle under the age of 30 months to "catch" BSE!! What kind of unbelieveable BS was that. And that came for our then Deputy Prime Minister, Sliding Annie, but then she was a liberal to the core. That was the root of the deception of which you speak. Those age limits came about as a direct result of appeasing the masses and to make for a better marketing smoke-screen. Almost as much has the term SRM's. Another huge helping of BS.

Science has made some giant leaps since then but goverments still rely on the baseline of 24 to 30 month to be the age limit that factors into their overall BSE surveillance program and approach to risk management and testing.

What would you say to a test that can detect the most miniscule amounts of PrPsc in any animal of any age?? Would that then make it more acceptable to you?? I can assure you that such a test exists.
 
Randy K: "What benefit do you see from not testing Scotty? And please don't refer to the cost issue."
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It's totally unnecessary. I don't scratch my head unless it itches either.


Sandbag: "That's not deception. If they're asking for testing, providing it is not deception, it's meeting a consumer's demand. It may be a foolish purchase, but it certainly is not deception. Buy a dictionary and look up the word."
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When a consumer buys bse tested beef, they expect it to be bse free. When bse tested does not mean bse free, that's deception. I don't need to look it up.


Sandbag: "Do I need to point out the parallels between testing and organic product to you again?"
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Why bother? That worthless argument wasn't any better the last time you turned it loose. When consumers buy organic, they are buying hormone and antibiotic free beef. They are getting what they are buying. Not the case with bse tested beef. Another of your classic apples to oranges ILLUSIONS that you are so fond of.


Sandbag: "You want to try to explain the millions being spent and the effort to "gain their trust" if we are providing what they want?"
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What's to explain? We had bse and now we have to regain the trust of the Japanese consumer that our beef is safe. We sure as hell won't do that with a test that will not reveal bse prions.

You want to try to explain why Japan is importing untested beef from Canada and the US if they "SUPPOSEDLY" want untested beef?


Sandbag: "Agman would disappear every time I asked him that question. He's a BSer, but he's smart enough to cut out when it won't spread anymore. Are you?"
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BWAHAHAHAHA!

Agman cut out from anything you posted???

Bwahahahaha! Yeh right!

Aren't you the tomcat?


bse tester: "What would you say to a test that can detect the most miniscule amounts of PrPsc in any animal of any age??"
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I would say TALK IS CHEAP especially with someone with a vested financial interest in selling bse tests.

If your claims had merit, Creekstone wouldn't have to admit that their bse tests would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. After all, they had $$$$$$ in their eyes too.

NEXT!


~SH~
 
SH, does Macon hand out a cash award to the biggest childish idiot of the year? Otherwise, I don't see what your angle is.
 

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