USFW & GF&P story from RCJ

[SJ]

Because it was a Federal Crime, the only one who could make the arrest is a Federal agent?

That's hard for me to believe?

 

[P Joe]

Because it was a Federal Crime, the only one who could make the arrest is a Federal agent?

That's hard for me to believe?

Why is it that a county sheriff should have arrested him?

When was the last time anybody heard of a sheriff citing someone for poaching a deer or not having a fishing license??

 

[Happy go lucky]

Good Point P Joe!

Also it is the Federal Airborne Hunting act and not a state to state deal! If you have a federal officer at hand and time permits he/she is then the one to issue warrants or bring in people on federal charges.

It is funny how many don't like trespass, yet when done with an airplane and a coyote things change? If a pilot ran your cattle through a fence without your permission to fly how would you react?

Again the people put this law into place, as it used to be legal for anyone with a plane and pilot license to fly and shoot coyotes and fox!!!! The landowners raised the stink becuase of high fur prices and missing out on the 75$ fox and the 100$ coyotes that put these laws into action in the first place.

Could he have done without the handcuffs? Could have, I don't know the policy for such offenses. LB calling the man a creep? Do you know him personally? Or it seems with you anyone who dosern't abide by your thought process is a creep, scum, strong arm, etc.

LB maybe more lock out acres are in order to get your state to not have a Federal warden or 4 million more acres will be locked out LOL.

 

[SJ]

I don't remember saying the Sheriff should have arrested him.

I actually think he could have been served to show up in court without being cuffed and hauled off. These were misdemeanors.

What would stop a Sheriff from arresting a poacher or a fisherman without a license?

Oldtimer can probably clear this up.

 

[passin thru]

If it was such a terrible crime he committed bringing the sheriff into the loop is only the right thing to do. Anything less is just arrogance on the "creeps" part.

 

[P Joe]

I don't remember saying the Sheriff should have arrested him.

I actually think he could have been served to show up in court without being cuffed and hauled off. These were misdemeanors.

What would stop a Sheriff from arresting a poacher or a fisherman without a license?

Oldtimer can probably clear this up.

Early posters had said the sheriff should have been involved.

I think the sheriff department does have the ability to write those tickets. But they also have the right to partol and write tickets on interstate. They do don't that because we have a Highway partrol.
A game warden also has the right to write up speeding tickets, but when was the last time a game warden gave someone a speeding ticket?

I too believe a ticket could have been written without the cuffs. LB and others question why it had to be a Federal Agent and not the Sheriff. I am merely saying that it should have been a Federal Agent that did the write up. Since that was Priekasat, that is why he was out there.

If a highway partolman is rude to people, we hold him accountable. We don't question why the highway partolman was writing the ticket and suggest that a game warden should be doing it do we??

 

[P Joe]

If it was such a terrible crime he committed bringing the sheriff into the loop is only the right thing to do.

Why?

Should a game warden then call the sheriff's office when he writes a ticket to a fisherman for 10 too many fish???

I think that some of need move out of the past. There are and will be more than just "sheriffs" that enforce laws!

I don't agree with how this was handled by any means. But it was a federal violation and a federal agent should have handled it. Now if he is not performing up to par, hold the person accountable. NOT THE WHOLE AGENCY!

 

[passin thru]

Should a game warden then call the sheriff's office when he writes a ticket to a fisherman for 10 too many fish???

You are comparing apples to oranges

 

[Anonymous]

I don't remember saying the Sheriff should have arrested him.

I actually think he could have been served to show up in court without being cuffed and hauled off. These were misdemeanors.

What would stop a Sheriff from arresting a poacher or a fisherman without a license?

Oldtimer can probably clear this up.

Sheriff's do many arrests and investigations of poaching and fish and game violations... They also serve many Federal Papers...I've served many Federal Notice to Appears....
There are some states (Oregon, I believe is one) that have passed laws that Federal Agents can not operate before giving local elected authorities (Sheriff's) notification-- something that used to be just a common matter of courtesy of working together- but has changed in the past 15-20 years of the Federal governments usurping states rights and taking more power....Its a Constitutional issue that as far as I know has never really come to a head...Many Constitutional lawyers will argue that the Federal government has no constitutional power to investigate common crimes/misdemeanors- and only for high crimes such as those like Treason that affect the nation as a whole....

If you ever want to see a screwed up mess of jurisdictions/authority go to an Indian Reservation (sovereign nations) :roll:

 

[P Joe]

Should a game warden then call the sheriff's office when he writes a ticket to a fisherman for 10 too many fish???

You are comparing apples to oranges

How is that example apples to oranges?

What is your explanation to why a sheriff would have authority over that situation vs the GF&P.

It would only make sense to me that a "federal game warden" would write a ticket for a "federal game law violation" would it not??

 

[Liberty Belle]

Happy said: Good Point P Joe!

Also it is the Federal Airborne Hunting act and not a state to state deal! If you have a federal officer at hand and time permits he/she is then the one to issue warrants or bring in people on federal charges.

It is funny how many don't like trespass, yet when done with an airplane and a coyote things change? If a pilot ran your cattle through a fence without your permission to fly how would you react?

Again the people put this law into place, as it used to be legal for anyone with a plane and pilot license to fly and shoot coyotes and fox!!!! The landowners raised the stink becuase of high fur prices and missing out on the 75$ fox and the 100$ coyotes that put these laws into action in the first place.

Could he have done without the handcuffs? Could have, I don't know the policy for such offenses. LB calling the man a creep? Do you know him personally? Or it seems with you anyone who dosern't abide by your thought process is a creep, scum, strong arm, etc.

LB maybe more lock out acres are in order to get your state to not have a Federal warden or 4 million more acres will be locked out LOL.

Yeah, Happy, I know the creep – only too well. And so do several other folks in our area. Janvrin isn't the only guy up here who has had the misfortune to meet Mr. Prieksat.

That's an interesting take you have on why the Airborne Hunting Act was put into place. Not true, but interesting. Let me guess… some landowner kicked you off his land for trapping coyotes when the price was high and you haven't recovered from the shock of a landowner having first crack at getting those high-priced furs, huh? Never mind that the land you were trapping on was HIS land?

The lockout is an answer to the overbearing and abusive actions of all the wildlife agencies involved, both state and federal. It doesn't matter to us which governmental agency pays the salary of the employees running roughshod over the rights of sportsmen and landowners, we're not going to allow their actions to go unchecked.

This is America, not the USSR, although with some of the things that have happened, courtesy of folks like Prieksat and South Dakota's own GF&P, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes.

I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

 

[Jinglebob]

I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply LB, he ain't got the cojones to tell you. 'Sides, his bosses might chew him out or (gasp) fire him! :wink:

 

[passin thru]

How is that example apples to oranges?

You are talking about two completely different crimes, do you not see that.
Why not stay on the crime that this thread about.

What is your explanation to why a sheriff would have authority over that situation vs the GF&P.

The sheriff is the law enforcement to the county, they should be in the loop of all law enforcement happenings in the county. Why is that so hard to understand, unless the creep has something to hide. If I was in the creeps position and felt he needed cuffed, maybe having a little extra law enforcement might not be such a bad idea, unless I had something to hide.

I think LB has nailed it

I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

why else would you be so defensive.

 

[P Joe]

You are talking about two completely different crimes, do you not see that.
Why not stay on the crime that this thread about.

You are questioning why GF&P was involved. I was merely citing another example of where GF&P would be involved. No they are not the same crime, but are close enough for a comparision. Do YOU not see that?

The sheriff is the law enforcement to the county, they should be in the loop of all law enforcement happenings in the county. Why is that so hard to understand, unless the creep has something to hide. If I was in the creeps position and felt he needed cuffed, maybe having a little extra law enforcement might not be such a bad idea, unless I had something to hide.

Your view is flawed. The sheriff's department is NOT in charge of game laws. Call 911 and report a poaching violation. See what happens. See for your self who shows up. I'll bet my farm to your ranch that ultimitly a GF&P officer will show up. I bet they tell you to call you local GF&P officer or the TIPS hotline. DO IT. Prove me wrong.

Like I said before, I don't agree with how the situation was handled. Hand cuffs were uncalled before, and I bet if you look at their policies and procedures, it would have not been called for. So hold the person accountable for his abuse. Not the whole agency. LB has said herself that she have 2 very nice and respectful GF&P officers. NOT all are this way.

I think LB has nailed it

I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

why else would you be so defensive.

I don't think that was directed at me, because those are not my words.

 

[Liberty Belle]

P Joe: Your view is flawed. The sheriff's department is NOT in charge of game laws. Call 911 and report a poaching violation. See what happens. See for your self who shows up. I'll bet my farm to your ranch that ultimitly a GF&P officer will show up. I bet they tell you to call you local GF&P officer or the TIPS hotline. DO IT. Prove me wrong.

Sorry P Joe, the county sheriff is in charge of ALL law violations and he's the first one we call when a crime has been committed, whether it's a robbery, cattle theft, someone hunting out of season or hunter trespass.

Calling 911 because you saw someone shoot a deer out of season in our area will get you a thorough tongue lashing from our emergency personnel. 911 is to be used ONLY for emergencies. As an EMT with our local ambulance, we're going to be just a tad upset if some dude calls 911 to report a game violation!!!

Liberty Belle: I've asked before and never got an answer – which wildlife organization do you work for?

No, P Joe, that question was not directed at you. I asked it of our old friend and busy-body, Happy Go Lucky, and it will probably go unanswered… again. passin thru was merely agreeing with my assesment of our gay buddy.

 

[P Joe]

Sorry P Joe, the county sheriff is in charge of ALL law violations and he's the first one we call when a crime has been committed, whether it's a robbery, cattle theft, someone hunting out of season or hunter trespass.

That may be so. A trespassing violation is something that the sheriff does deal with.

But what if it involves an animal being shot while tresspassing?
Does the game warden do the investigation?

 

[Jinglebob]

Sorry P Joe, the county sheriff is in charge of ALL law violations and he's the first one we call when a crime has been committed, whether it's a robbery, cattle theft, someone hunting out of season or hunter trespass.

That may be so. A trespassing violation is something that the sheriff does deal with.

But what if it involves an animal being shot while tresspassing?
Does the game warden do the investigation?

Sheriff has the most authority in this county. Everybody else comes after him.

When a neighbor had trouble with tresspassers during hunting season, he had to get a deputy, before he got any action.

 

[P Joe]

But what if it involves an animal being shot while tresspassing?
Does the game warden do the investigation?

Sheriff has the most authority in this county. Everybody else comes after him.

When a neighbor had trouble with tresspassers during hunting season, he had to get a deputy, before he got any action.

Go to you County sheriff and ask him the question that I have asked. See what answer you get. :roll: :roll:

 

[Jinglebob]

But what if it involves an animal being shot while tresspassing?
Does the game warden do the investigation?

Sheriff has the most authority in this county. Everybody else comes after him.

When a neighbor had trouble with tresspassers during hunting season, he had to get a deputy, before he got any action.

Go to you County sheriff and ask him the question that I have asked. See what answer you get. :roll: :roll:

Already have.

:roll:

 

[P Joe]

Already have.

:roll:

Sure you did :roll: