passin thru
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So are you calling JB a liar, if so come out with it or else keep your trap shut.
USFW & GF&P story from RCJ
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Jinglebob
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passin thru said:
I like the way you think, PT.
Most big mouths ain't big enough to call a man a liar to his face.
For all he knows or don't know, I just might BE a deputy sheriff. :lol:
But as a matter of fact, I had a conversation about this with the neighbor who is a deputy sheriff, a year or so back.
Hey P Joe, why don't you drop in some time and we'll have a discussion, face to face?
I, unlike some who post here, ain't got nuthin' to hide and I'm pretty easy to find. :wink:
Southdakotahunter
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Here is my 2cents (not that anyone asked or cares)
A couple years back, in the eastern part of SD, a man and his boy were hunting dove on a public hunting area. Some wanna be cowboy decided it would be nice to live in the country and have a couple horses. They also decided to buy a piece of land next to the public hunting area since they know they will never have a neighbor going that way. There pasture happend to boarder the public hunting area. Anyway, to make a long story short, the wanna be cowboy, called the sheriff and complained to them they were scaring their horses and to stop. The sheriff came out and told them to stop. he left, they kept hunting. he got a call again, this time gave them a ticket for shooting too close to horses (not sure EXACTLY the terms used, but it was something like that) Anyway, Barney Fife ended up being told its out of his jurisdiction and was reprimanded.......(ya see, many of our local finest, have no idea of game laws)..the wanna be was told to call the gfp for issues concerning huntin.
Its too bad some cant get along with others. I know it goes both ways, but some day, someone is just gonna have to bury the hatchet. Maybe up in Harding or Perkins, Butte or Jones county the sheriff has nothing better to do than chase down hunting complaints, but in other countys, the sheriff is a busy man and needs to be out taking care of business., not routing calls because some are too bull headed to call who should be called.
Getting off the red herring here, everyone on here thinks the fed could have done a better job here. There are some state game wardens that need to have their tree shook also.
A couple years back, in the eastern part of SD, a man and his boy were hunting dove on a public hunting area. Some wanna be cowboy decided it would be nice to live in the country and have a couple horses. They also decided to buy a piece of land next to the public hunting area since they know they will never have a neighbor going that way. There pasture happend to boarder the public hunting area. Anyway, to make a long story short, the wanna be cowboy, called the sheriff and complained to them they were scaring their horses and to stop. The sheriff came out and told them to stop. he left, they kept hunting. he got a call again, this time gave them a ticket for shooting too close to horses (not sure EXACTLY the terms used, but it was something like that) Anyway, Barney Fife ended up being told its out of his jurisdiction and was reprimanded.......(ya see, many of our local finest, have no idea of game laws)..the wanna be was told to call the gfp for issues concerning huntin.
Its too bad some cant get along with others. I know it goes both ways, but some day, someone is just gonna have to bury the hatchet. Maybe up in Harding or Perkins, Butte or Jones county the sheriff has nothing better to do than chase down hunting complaints, but in other countys, the sheriff is a busy man and needs to be out taking care of business., not routing calls because some are too bull headed to call who should be called.
Getting off the red herring here, everyone on here thinks the fed could have done a better job here. There are some state game wardens that need to have their tree shook also.
P Joe
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passin thru said:
Just calling a spade a spade
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Jinglebob said:passin thru said:
I like the way you think, PT.
Most big mouths ain't big enough to call a man a liar to his face.
For all he knows or don't know, I just might BE a deputy sheriff. :lol:
But as a matter of fact, I had a conversation about this with the neighbor who is a deputy sheriff, a year or so back.
Hey P Joe, why don't you drop in some time and we'll have a discussion, face to face?
You want me to say it. Fine. YOU, JB are LYING. about who has jurisdiction of game laws. You are a LIAR.
Maybe you did talk to your local sheriff. I don't care. However I would bet that what he told you and what you type are 2 different stories!
If you think you are right, then please post some evidence to support you ill conceive theory. Otherwise maybe you should take passin thru's advice and keep your trap shut!
Jinglebob
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P Joe said:Jinglebob said:passin thru said:
I like the way you think, PT.
Most big mouths ain't big enough to call a man a liar to his face.
For all he knows or don't know, I just might BE a deputy sheriff. :lol:
But as a matter of fact, I had a conversation about this with the neighbor who is a deputy sheriff, a year or so back.
Hey P Joe, why don't you drop in some time and we'll have a discussion, face to face?
You want me to say it. Fine. YOU, JB are LYING. about who has jurisdiction of game laws. You are a LIAR.
Maybe you did talk to your local sheriff. I don't care. However I would bet that what he told you and what you type are 2 different stories!
If you think you are right, then please post some evidence to support you ill conceive theory. Otherwise maybe you should take passin thru's advice and keep your trap shut!
How am, I supposed to post evidence of talking to my local deputy sherriff?
And you sure are a big bad boy ain't you?
I don't lie.
Stop in some time and we'll discuss it.
And I didn't open my trap.
I typed.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Why don't you post some evidence to the contrary?
Or shut your trap? :wink:
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P. Joe
I don't know about SD- but in Montana the Sheriff/Coroner is the highest law enforcement official of the county- and has jurisdiction and is sworn to enforce over all crimes...The Montana law directly makes peace officers of the state ex-official game wardens....
In fact under Montana law- state officers ( Highway Patrol, Fish and Game, AG investigators) can only operate and act in a county at the permission of the Sheriff- and then only to the extent permitted them by law (like HP's can only enforce laws pertaining to public roadways and rest areas) unless called upon by the Sheriff for assistance under the Mutual Aid law- whereby the operate as an Agent of the Sheriff...And there are several cases where the Sheriff has ran a state officer out of the county-- I know it quite well because I did it once....
I don't know about SD- but in Montana the Sheriff/Coroner is the highest law enforcement official of the county- and has jurisdiction and is sworn to enforce over all crimes...The Montana law directly makes peace officers of the state ex-official game wardens....
In fact under Montana law- state officers ( Highway Patrol, Fish and Game, AG investigators) can only operate and act in a county at the permission of the Sheriff- and then only to the extent permitted them by law (like HP's can only enforce laws pertaining to public roadways and rest areas) unless called upon by the Sheriff for assistance under the Mutual Aid law- whereby the operate as an Agent of the Sheriff...And there are several cases where the Sheriff has ran a state officer out of the county-- I know it quite well because I did it once....
IL Rancher
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Around here you have to call fins and feathers because the county mounties have too much other stuff to do (What that is, I don't know) but I do know I see the fish and game folks go flying by with sirens blaring from time to time and never have seen the county sheriff out here doing any stuff like that. I am told by the locals if you have someone hunting on your ground you are better served calling fish and game because they will actually show up.. Sour about the county law me?.. Maybe the locals are, can't say I was to pleased with my one encounter with them. I also know we are on the edge of the county and seem to be in no mans land when it comes to al county services.
Can't and won't say what the laws are out in Dakotas.. Most game arrests that I read about east of the muddy miss seem to involve fish and game and not the police.. Either US or state level.
Can't and won't say what the laws are out in Dakotas.. Most game arrests that I read about east of the muddy miss seem to involve fish and game and not the police.. Either US or state level.
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So you called JB a liar, now it is your obligation to prove it. So before JB has to prove anything it is your obigation to prove he is a liar.
Put up or shut up
The funny part is right after you call him a liar you say
Oldtimer is right, the sheriff is the top dog in the county, not saying the game warden can not do anything, but the sheriff is the one responsible for the County
Now come on Joe get that feather out of your butt and settle down.
Oh and I am waiting for your proof
Put up or shut up
The funny part is right after you call him a liar you say
Man you are hilarious in your jumping around all the time.
Oldtimer is right, the sheriff is the top dog in the county, not saying the game warden can not do anything, but the sheriff is the one responsible for the County
Now come on Joe get that feather out of your butt and settle down.
Oh and I am waiting for your proof
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Game & Fish are the top cats here in this part of the world also.....but that's not saying much either!!
PJoe....should change your name to PissyJoe cause you're a pissy little guy for sure!
PJoe....should change your name to PissyJoe cause you're a pissy little guy for sure!
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You guys must have lots of State wardens/employees-- In this part of the country if you had to wait for the Fish and Game or Highway Patrol to respond you might be waiting for many hours- or in the case of wardens, days...Most of them work around Helena or the major cities.....
Many of these rural counties don't even have a warden or HP and many have multiple county patrol areas....Many times I've seen where the nearest warden is 160 miles away in Havre or 250 miles away in Glendive manning a game check station...I was told the other day that our local warden is transferring- and they have no one to fill the position until next year- possibly....
Since the change in the law enforcement wage laws (outlawed comp time)- the Highway Patrol pretty much now has a no call out policy-- meaning they won't call out a local off duty officer (don't want to pay call out and overtime), but instead send the on duty officer in the 10 county District no matter if he is 300 miles away....I've seen Patrolman dispatched from Glendive to cover Personal Injury accidents in Whitewater- 250 miles--- or a Patrolman called from west of Malta (Dodson) to cover a fatality accident near Fairview- 300 miles...(We still joke about him pulling into the state gas pumps with red lights and siren going-gasing up- and leaving red lights and siren so he had enough gas to get to the wreck :roll: :wink: :lol: )
The Sheriffs Departments handle all this in the absence of the state authorities....
Many of these rural counties don't even have a warden or HP and many have multiple county patrol areas....Many times I've seen where the nearest warden is 160 miles away in Havre or 250 miles away in Glendive manning a game check station...I was told the other day that our local warden is transferring- and they have no one to fill the position until next year- possibly....
Since the change in the law enforcement wage laws (outlawed comp time)- the Highway Patrol pretty much now has a no call out policy-- meaning they won't call out a local off duty officer (don't want to pay call out and overtime), but instead send the on duty officer in the 10 county District no matter if he is 300 miles away....I've seen Patrolman dispatched from Glendive to cover Personal Injury accidents in Whitewater- 250 miles--- or a Patrolman called from west of Malta (Dodson) to cover a fatality accident near Fairview- 300 miles...(We still joke about him pulling into the state gas pumps with red lights and siren going-gasing up- and leaving red lights and siren so he had enough gas to get to the wreck :roll: :wink: :lol: )
The Sheriffs Departments handle all this in the absence of the state authorities....
Jinglebob
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Oldtimer said:
Have you checked with PJ to see if this information you are giving is factual? I'm sure he would know, better than you. Better check, just to be sure. :wink:
You know, PJ fits him better than P Joe. Reminds me of the spineless weasel in Robin Hood, the Disney version, who's name was PJ, short for Prince John, I think, but let me check with P Joe first to be sure. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
IL Rancher
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Well, I think there are less fish and game folks in this state than counties OT but everything is closer.. 250 miles in this state is a long way... Not to mention most tresspass involving critters involves Deer and Deer is big money in this state so they tend to respond fast to things like that. Our closest officer suppossedly lives less than 15 minutes from here as well so we are kind of the middle of his patrol area.. Rarely see him but I saw 3 cars race past me while working cows last hunting season.. Lights a flashing and gravel flying. Gotta say when they found the corpse next door they only sent one county mountie and even that was odd.. Of course, that involved a dead guy in a car so it wasn''t likely he was going to shoot back, lol.
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A site you don't like and a ruling you really don't like, but it is OFFICAL opinion. Doesn't matter what YOU think!
The Department of Game, Fish and Parks (GF&P) "shall enforce the laws of this state involving the protection and propagation of all game animals, game birds, fish, and harmless birds and animals." SDCL 41‑3‑8. To do so, GF&P has the "authority to employ an adequate force of conservation officers." SDCL 41‑2‑11. The conservation officers are required to meet the education and training requirements of other South Dakota law enforcement officers, and be certified as such. SDCL §§ 41‑2‑11, 41‑15‑10.1. Conservation officers are responsible for enforcing, inter alia, every state statute which pertains to game, fish, parks, forestry or boating. SDCL 41‑15‑10.1(2). One such statute requires all licensees to exhibit their license "at any time upon request of any person." SDCL 41‑6‑63. While enforcing this and other statutes identified in SDCL 41‑15‑10.1, conservation officers are law enforcement officers with the "same authority as any other law enforcement officer" (id.) including arrest. SDCL 41‑15‑10. In light thereof, it is my opinion that: (1) GF&P has statutory authority to manage and regulate hunting, fishing and trapping in South Dakota; and (2) conservation officers have a statutory mandate to enforce the state's wildlife laws and regulations.
http://www.state.sd.us/attorney/applications/documents/oneDocument.asp?DocumentID=636
The Department of Game, Fish and Parks (GF&P) "shall enforce the laws of this state involving the protection and propagation of all game animals, game birds, fish, and harmless birds and animals." SDCL 41‑3‑8. To do so, GF&P has the "authority to employ an adequate force of conservation officers." SDCL 41‑2‑11. The conservation officers are required to meet the education and training requirements of other South Dakota law enforcement officers, and be certified as such. SDCL §§ 41‑2‑11, 41‑15‑10.1. Conservation officers are responsible for enforcing, inter alia, every state statute which pertains to game, fish, parks, forestry or boating. SDCL 41‑15‑10.1(2). One such statute requires all licensees to exhibit their license "at any time upon request of any person." SDCL 41‑6‑63. While enforcing this and other statutes identified in SDCL 41‑15‑10.1, conservation officers are law enforcement officers with the "same authority as any other law enforcement officer" (id.) including arrest. SDCL 41‑15‑10. In light thereof, it is my opinion that: (1) GF&P has statutory authority to manage and regulate hunting, fishing and trapping in South Dakota; and (2) conservation officers have a statutory mandate to enforce the state's wildlife laws and regulations.
http://www.state.sd.us/attorney/applications/documents/oneDocument.asp?DocumentID=636
P Joe
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3 examples that prove JB wrong.
Where was the sheriff at in thes 2 examples??? Seems to me that GF&P has the same authority as the HP and Sheriff :shock:
A Trooper was called to assist Game, Fish and Park officers at Diamond Lake. The GF&P broke up an underage drinking party; and some of the juveniles ran off. One even ran into the lake, but was brought in by a Warden. Three vehicles were towed because they had driven into State land where driving was not allowed. While inventorying a car, the Trooper found some drug paraphernalia. He was able to find its owner and cited him.
Several Troopers assisted GF&P officers at an underage beer party at Diamond Lake in northwest Minnehaha County. Numerous arrests for underage drinking were made along with an arrest for possession of marijuana. A GF&P officer was assaulted by one of the young male drinkers and he was arrested for Simple Assault.
A Trooper stopped a vehicle in Gregory County resulting in the driver being placed under arrest for DUI. While performing a vehicle inventory, two undersized walleyes were found hidden in the boat. A Conservation Officer was called and the suspect was cited for two counts of "fish length" violation as well. The vehicle had fifty-five cans of beer in it that appeared to have been recently consumed.
http://www.hp.state.sd.us/back/061502.htm
Where was the sheriff at in thes 2 examples??? Seems to me that GF&P has the same authority as the HP and Sheriff :shock:
A Trooper was called to assist Game, Fish and Park officers at Diamond Lake. The GF&P broke up an underage drinking party; and some of the juveniles ran off. One even ran into the lake, but was brought in by a Warden. Three vehicles were towed because they had driven into State land where driving was not allowed. While inventorying a car, the Trooper found some drug paraphernalia. He was able to find its owner and cited him.
Several Troopers assisted GF&P officers at an underage beer party at Diamond Lake in northwest Minnehaha County. Numerous arrests for underage drinking were made along with an arrest for possession of marijuana. A GF&P officer was assaulted by one of the young male drinkers and he was arrested for Simple Assault.
A Trooper stopped a vehicle in Gregory County resulting in the driver being placed under arrest for DUI. While performing a vehicle inventory, two undersized walleyes were found hidden in the boat. A Conservation Officer was called and the suspect was cited for two counts of "fish length" violation as well. The vehicle had fifty-five cans of beer in it that appeared to have been recently consumed.
http://www.hp.state.sd.us/back/061502.htm
P Joe
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Notice it was the GF&P officer that was "assisted" and that he also took the diver into "custody".
Sergeant Burke responded to assist a SD Game Fish and Parks Officer with a traffic stop on SD Highway 34 about 25 miles east of Sturgis. A subject tipped his motorcycle over in the Sturgis City Park and the SD GF&P Officer located the broke down motorcycle and driver on SD 34. When the Officer attempted to talk to the driver, he went on the fight. The Officer used pepper spray and was able to take the subject into custody. The driver was arrested for aggravated assault and 5th offense DUI.
http://hp.state.sd.us/back/100105.htm
Sergeant Burke responded to assist a SD Game Fish and Parks Officer with a traffic stop on SD Highway 34 about 25 miles east of Sturgis. A subject tipped his motorcycle over in the Sturgis City Park and the SD GF&P Officer located the broke down motorcycle and driver on SD 34. When the Officer attempted to talk to the driver, he went on the fight. The Officer used pepper spray and was able to take the subject into custody. The driver was arrested for aggravated assault and 5th offense DUI.
http://hp.state.sd.us/back/100105.htm
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passin thru said:
I just did, maybe you should take some of your own advice and put up or shut up before going on the defense for someone else! :shock:
The GF&P is a state agency, which by the way would be above the county level. Your county sheriff does not, can not, and will not pull rank over a STATE GF&P offical.
These 2 agencies are seperate enities and are in charge of enforcing all SDCL rules. However, GF&P is specifically set up to enforce rules pertaining to all game animals, non game animals, state parks and state owned land. Therefore they would have jurisdiction over any other law enforcement officer on any and all game animals, non game animals, state parks, and state owned land.
I'm sorry but your sheriff is not 'top dog'.
If I'm wrong call me a liar and post prove just as you have asked of me. Otherwise, in your words, "shut up"
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kolanuraven said:
not really, just don't have a toleration for arrogance mixed with blinded stupidity
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Jinglebob said:
Ahhh, poor baby. Upset cause I called your bluff?
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P Joe said:kolanuraven said:
not really, just don't have a toleration for arrogance mixed with blinded stupidity
Then you must not have any mirrors in your house buddy boy if that's the case!!!
Let's see...my choices....believe Pissjoe or JingleBob....Hmmmmm.....give me a minute here ( thinking....thinking....thinking... ouch!!!...still thinking........)
HELLES BELLES...I'M GOING WITH JINGLEBOB HANDS DOWN and I'd guess so would 99% of the folks here!
OT: We've got more ' officials' here than Carter has Liver Pills, you have to knock them outta the way to get to the doughnut counter at the local bakery! It's still a 2 hr time limit between your call and their arrival....but they will call you back and ask do you ' really' need them to come out? :???: :twisted:
