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Wake up call

Jinglebob said:
nonothing said:
just one question.Would you people be offended if a citizen from Iraq came on this site and waved his flag?After reading the hate here for the people of Iraq.makes me wonder are the people of Iraq all to be hated?

Nope. They are like all peoples of all the countries of the world. Just the one that want to kill us for what we think, need hatin' and killin'. :wink:


So jinglebob,are you then saying,that the majority of american people, hate how the Iraqi people think? That American people want to kill Iraqi people for they way they think?Or is it more about goverment power,and who has the bigger dick?
 
!!!!!! Whoa!!!!! Sounds like a challenge to me!!!!! :o :o :shock:


Oh....by the by..... it's spelled Iraqi If you're going to praise people or try to pick a fight...at least get their name correct. :roll: :roll: :roll:

I·ra·qi (ĭ-răk'ē, ĭ-rä'kē)
adj.
Of or relating to Iraq or its people, language, or culture.

n., pl. -qis.
A native or inhabitant of Iraq.
 
Praise who? Pick a fight?Ok i spell bad,but you cant comprehend what is writen.Asking a question is not picking a fight..I guess i missed the part where i praised anyone.I can tell you this,no one involved in this war will get praise..I am sure there will be heroic acts by those fighting ,which i find sad to have those acts wasted on the price of oil....................just my opinion,if thats ok?
 
I think Sgt. Smith was a soldier everyone in this country should be proud of and he well deserved the medal of honor. He loved his country, his family, his fellow soldiers and gave his life to defend and protect them. It doesn't get any better than that.

We are going to need a lot more soldiers just like him. I follow the silver market and look for articles on the subject. Came across some pretty interesting reading on the war in Iraq, the posibility of war with Iran and the reasons besides terrorism for attacking them. We need to control the oil in those countries. I will post a link for that article below because I think we all need to think about what is involved besides terrorism.

I read an article in a magazine I think was called business weekly about a year ago on China. When american companies get involved there manufacturing things for america we partner with them. They get factories and technology. They are getting stronger and their need for oil grows. They haven't been our friends in the past and I really don't think they are now. I think we are arming them with factories and technology and some day we won't be worrying about fighting Arabs for oil it will be the Chinese. I worry that if we give up to many of our factories and technology we may not be able to whip them. Anyway the link to the article below is food for thought on this and it does a better job of explaining it than I can.

http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html
 
That really bothered (bothers) me that a country that thousands of my countrymen are fighting and dying to give freedom to so deeply believe that Christians must die.

Actually Silver, it wasn't that he was Christian that caused this. It was that he converted from Islam.
Being Christian is fine. Being Muslem and converting to Christianity (or any other religion, if I'm not mistaken) is the crime.

Just the one that want to kill us for what we think, need hatin' and killin'.

That's my thought as well, JB. Let's be a little selective with who we're hating here. :wink:
 
nonothing said:
Its a shame stevec would be banned for his opinion.The first amendment its self is disrespected here.I guess some in power here feel it is their duty to decided what is written..What the world needs now is more monitors,like i need a hole in my head..Maybe to those that dont tow the site line,should listen to the monitors and their ash kissers true words of wisdom like lalalalalalala..


My humble opinion, is there no responsibility attached to the first amendment? Not talking about Ranchers.net posts, but it seems I'm hearing treason all over the place and it makes me ill. So much disrespect to God, our Country, our Flag, it's really sad. :cry: :cry:
 
I'm Canadian and I wasn't impressed with stevec posts on the soldiers,they can't be here to stick up for themselves ,someone has to...Mairi
 
theHiredMansWife said:
That really bothered (bothers) me that a country that thousands of my countrymen are fighting and dying to give freedom to so deeply believe that Christians must die.

Actually Silver, it wasn't that he was Christian that caused this. It was that he converted from Islam.
Being Christian is fine. Being Muslem and converting to Christianity (or any other religion, if I'm not mistaken) is the crime.

No, being Christian apparently is NOT fine over there. Did you not see in the news cast hundreds of people in Kabul chanting "Christians must die!"over and over. To me this indicates that these people have a mind set and a set of beliefs that will not be fixed or moderated simply by imposing democracy on them. They just aren't anything like us.
 
We have Soldiers in 146 countries. There is no one home to defend us should something arise...

So stand by your First and Second Amendments:

1) Use your freedom of speech and Freedom religion

2) Your right to bare arms without licenses or permission by keeping your weapons and munition on hand because you may need them.

We have 40 million illegal immigrants and if they group together who will protect you?

:?
 
T3023 said:
We have Soldiers in 146 countries. There is no one home to defend us should something arise...

So stand by your First and Second Amendments:

1) Use your freedom of speech and Freedom religion

2) Your right to bare arms without licenses or permission by keeping your weapons and munition on hand because you may need them.

We have 40 million illegal immigrants and if they group together who will protect you?

:?

This is the first post I've seen of T3023 that I agree with. :shock: :lol: :wink: Or that wasn't so long I got tired of reading it.
:wink:

"Brevity is the soul of wit". And a lot easier to make sense of.
 
T3023 said:
We have Soldiers in 146 countries. There is no one home to defend us should something arise...

So stand by your First and Second Amendments:

1) Use your freedom of speech and Freedom religion

2) Your right to bare arms without licenses or permission by keeping your weapons and munition on hand because you may need them.

We have 40 million illegal immigrants and if they group together who will protect you?

:?

I would say that if that were to happen there are plenty of us that will take matters into our own hands were not all sheep....
 
Silver said:
theHiredMansWife said:
That really bothered (bothers) me that a country that thousands of my countrymen are fighting and dying to give freedom to so deeply believe that Christians must die.

Actually Silver, it wasn't that he was Christian that caused this. It was that he converted from Islam.
Being Christian is fine. Being Muslem and converting to Christianity (or any other religion, if I'm not mistaken) is the crime.

No, being Christian apparently is NOT fine over there. Did you not see in the news cast hundreds of people in Kabul chanting "Christians must die!"over and over.

That goes back to the fanatical extremists.
So far as their laws are concerned, there is nothing wrong with being a Christian. And have you heard any of the newscasts where people make that stipulation clear?
 
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FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Is bin Laden the 'Mahdi'?
Some Muslim followers believe he is prophesied 'awaited enlightened one'

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Posted: September 8, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com – a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

U.S. military intelligence experts are studying a video clip of Osama bin Laden in which he stands before a dry-erase board with an Arabic phrase written upon it – "awaited enlightened one," reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

No one who has seen the video is quite certain of the meaning or the context. But, the Hadith, a collection of Islamic holy writings that supplement the Quran, predicts a messianic figure will arise in the last days of history. This "Mahdi," along with the "Prophet Jesus," will lead the believers to victory over the infidels.


Osama bin Laden

The video raises the question of whether bin Laden sees himself as this Mahdi or if he is expecting another to arise and lead. Either way, the addition of a dimension of Islamic prophecy to the global terror war may seriously complicate matters for planners in the West, G2 Bulletin reports.

According to G2 Bulletin's military sources, some of the detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay have told interrogators they joined bin Laden's al-Qaida offensive because they think he is the "awaited enlightened one." Others in military intelligence say some of the terrorists crossing the border into Iraq with al-Qaida ties are doing so because of their belief in this Islamic prophecy.

Muslim believers – both Sunni and Shiite – expect the Mahdi to return one day to restore justice to the world. This messenger is not as great as Muhammad, but is a messianic figure found in all branches of Islam.

Interestingly, since the end of 2001, bin Laden has been signing his name "Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden," rather than just Osama bin Laden. This is significant, reports G2 Bulletin, because it gives the al-Qaida leader an apocalyptic dimension. The Hadith says the Mahdi will be recognizable, among other things, by the fact that he carries the name of the Prophet.

"Al Mahdi" is supposed to appear at a time when Muslim believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world. He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mecca at which Jesus will be present, according to some religious scholars who have studied the issue.

While some Islamic analysts have expected bin Laden to declare himself as "caliph," few have speculated about the possibility of the terrorist upping the ante. Operating as he does without a territorial base, bin Ladin could, some suggest, resort to claiming the most powerful title in Islam – the Mahdi.

The Mahdi is one of two positive prophetic figures who, according to Islamic teachings, will appear at the end of time – Prophet Jesus being the other. Together, these two will combat unbelievers and the forces of evil: the antichrist-like Dajjal, or "Deceiver"; the Dabbah, or "Beast"; and the murderous, rapacious hordes of Yajuj wa-Majuj, who appear earlier in the Bible as "Gog and Magog."

The description of the Mahdi that emerges from these Islamic sources can be summarized as follows, according to Dr. Timothy R. Furnish:


he will be descended from the Prophet via his daughter Fatima;

he will have the same name as the Prophet, and his father's name will have been the same as the Prophet's father;

he will have a distinct forehead and prominent nose;

he will be extremely generous and altruistic;

he will arise in Arabia and be compelled by popular acclamation in Mecca to lead the Muslims;

he will withstand attack by an army from Syria, which will be swallowed up by the desert;

he will fill the earth with justice and equity;

he will reign for five, seven or nine years, perhaps as co-ruler with Jesus (after which, an unspecified amount of time later, the last trumpet will sound and the final judgment will ensue).
If bin Ladin – or some other Islamist leader – were to declare himself the Mahdi, should that make a difference to U.S. policy-makers?

"If the claim were believable to the Islamic world, then the U.S. could no longer claim to be fighting terrorism alone," writes Furnish. "Indeed, it would become a global religious conflict."

This article contains research originally published by Timothy R. Furnish, Ph.D, in Middle East Quarterly.
 
theHiredMansWife said:
Silver said:
theHiredMansWife said:
Actually Silver, it wasn't that he was Christian that caused this. It was that he converted from Islam.
Being Christian is fine. Being Muslem and converting to Christianity (or any other religion, if I'm not mistaken) is the crime.

No, being Christian apparently is NOT fine over there. Did you not see in the news cast hundreds of people in Kabul chanting "Christians must die!"over and over.

That goes back to the fanatical extremists.
So far as their laws are concerned, there is nothing wrong with being a Christian. And have you heard any of the newscasts where people make that stipulation clear?

No, I haven't seen anyone make that stipulation clear. I have heard them say that worship of anything other than Mohamed is clearly in contravention of the teachings of the Koran, and according to the Koran those that follow other than Mohamed should be put to death. I'm not seeing a very tolerant people on my tv screen.
 
I have heard them say that worship of anything other than Mohamed is clearly in contravention of the teachings of the Koran, and according to the Koran those that follow other than Mohamed should be put to death. I'm not seeing a very tolerant people on my tv screen.

Actually, most moderate Muslims say that the Koran says that because Jews and Christians are also "people of the book" they deserve protection and respect. (if they didn't think that, given the number of Muslims who currently live in North America, we should all be running scared. :wink:)

Rather like the Bible, there are extreme, fundamental interpretations, there are moderate interpretations and there are downright liberal interpretations. And much like the Bible, it's not difficult to track down passages that say "kill the non-believers!" But again, like the Bible, it's up to the reader to interpret it.

so far as the law in question:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189637,00.html
Conversion is a crime under Afghanistan's Islamic law
(it's called apostasy and is basically considered treason)
 

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