Big Muddy rancher
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SO LB if Game Fish and Parks asked for permission to enter your land to eliminate all the deer would you give them permission?
Of course, and I'd give them all the help they needed. Heck, I'd bake 'em a cake, if I knew they were coming, and invite them in for dinner.SO LB if Game Fish and Parks asked for permission to enter your land to eliminate all the deer would you give them permission?
Northern Rancher said:You don't see any hypocrisy in locking out the nonpaying hunters but opening up to the cheque book crowd. What about the young kids looking for a place to learn to hunt-stuff like that.
I beleive totaly that the landowner should have total control over who should be able to enter his land. Yes I do all kids to hunt but that is my decision. If you want to allow hunters to hunt for free on your land, that is fine with me.
I feed the deer on my land and don't think I should have to allow anyone to hunt with out my permission. If I allow all deerhunters that wanted to hunt for free, I would have to many hunters. (been there, done that, got chewed out cuz they werent only ones on my land) charge them some and weeds out lots of them. It also helps me pay for a fraction of the feed they eat and what they destroy.
When I allow people to graze cows on my land I make them pay for that too, am I a bad a-- for that? When I graze my cows on my neighbors cornstalks he expects me to pay. Do you think he is wrong to expcet payment?
If I want to use the car wash in town, they expect me to pay for that privilage.
If I am hungry and happen to be near a resturant, they expect me to have pay for my food. are they hard hearted? what if it was my kid, do you think they should feed him for free?
Why anyone, even a kid, would expect to be able to hunt for free is more than I can understand.
My business is raising cattle and feeding cattle. In the end, I expect to be compensated for what my cattle eat when I sell them.
If I have to feed deer, I feel I should be able to recoup a fraction of that expense as well. If you want to give yours away, fine.
If you want to donate to the local charity, fine but don't expect me to donate to the same charity just because you think it happens to be the correct one to donate to. If you give me a bad time because I didn't donate to the charity of your choice, tough! I will give it right back to you.
BOTTOM LINE land owner should be able to control who is on his land, even hunters.
Southdakotahunter said:Wow..you have done your homework. Good job. I hate lawyer talk, it sucks! All i know is what the GFP says and they say they wont help unless you have made the effort to control the population, which in this state is with hunting, they say they wont help and i agree with them, i would think most all would agree with them on that issue. its just common sense. I am sure you as a possible future lawmaker, woudl agree that common sense law making is good lawmaking. Is it good common sense to not allow hunting, but yet cry to the gfp you have a depredation problem? You mentioned socialist mr dean...what is socialist anyway LB? Isnt that a socialist way of thinking? I wont help myself because the government will come in and bail me out even when i could help myself but refuse to? Why should it be my responsibility, as a person who buys a hunting and fishing license (which an extra $5 is added to each license that is earmarked for depredation) to come in there and help ya if you dont help yourself?
Southdakotahunter said:A lockout is a lockout and no hunting is no hunting. Why join a group if you dont plan on following the rules or reason the group is even formed. The lockout group will never be taken seriously until they unite and really lockout.
Jinglebob said:If I don't choose to let people come and "fix" my deer population problem by letting them hunt, as I can't afford the liability insurance to cover my butt if some hunter should hurt himself and sue me...... So if I can't afford to take that chance, who is supposed to thin out my deer herd?
But SDH, you just told us it is against the law for us to shoot the deer and take care of the problem ourselves. What would you have us do to fix the problem without government involvement? Go on, give us a solution that will satisfy GF&P without violating our rights. We've tried to find a resonable and lawful solution for years and if you've got one, we're all ears.Heck, you are an independent person JB, i can tell, most everyone here is. Dont it make common sense to take care of the problem instead of trying to get the government involved?
Southdakotahunter said:Jinglebob says this-If I don't choose to let people come and "fix" my deer population problem by letting them hunt, as I can't afford the liability insurance to cover my butt if some hunter should hurt himself and sue me...... So if I can't afford to take that chance, who is supposed to thin out my deer herd?
I guess i never new that was an issue. I can see how someone gets sued over lettin some little kid bounce on their tramplene or something, but by allowing an adult to hunt sued, never heard of it, maybe it happens, i would hope not. I do know that if you charge, you are responsible, unless you have them sign a waver. What if the legislature signed into law a law that prohibits lawsuits because someone was sued over free hunting....then what JB?
Heck, you are an independent person JB, i can tell, most everyone here is. Dont it make common sense to take care of the problem instead of trying to get the government involved?
Liberty Belle said:But SDH, you just told us it is against the law for us to shoot the deer and take care of the problem ourselves. What would you have us do to fix the problem without government involvement? Go on, give us a solution that will satisfy GF&P without violating our rights. We've tried to find a resonable and lawful solution for years and if you've got one, we're all ears.
Liberty Belle said:But SDH, you just told us it is against the law for us to shoot the deer and take care of the problem ourselves. What would you have us do to fix the problem without government involvement? Go on, give us a solution that will satisfy GF&P without violating our rights. We've tried to find a resonable and lawful solution for years and if you've got one, we're all ears.
Of course, and I'd give them all the help they needed. Heck, I'd bake 'em a cake, if I knew they were coming, and invite them in for dinner.[/quote]SO LB if Game Fish and Parks asked for permission to enter your land to eliminate all the deer would you give them permission?