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What makes a good maternal bull?

Watching the Coleman sale on Superior/RFD TV...They just sold Lot 8- 16366971 - a 707 grandson (sire- Rito 707 of Ideal 533 70) with mgs of 6807- out of a double bred QAS Traveler 23-4 cow....

Probably one of the nicer muscled bulls I've seen so far in their sale- and definitely nothing the numbers chasers would want- even tho he weaned at 764 lbs...Sold for $10,000...
 
Heres a 2006 Rito 707 son that I see that Sinclair has listed now in its 2010 sire directory:
Sinclair Wajima 6R110 Registration #15366614

http://www.sinclaircattle.com/2010SireDirectory.pdf

707 on the top and the bottom- with a lot of N Bar and EXT and Jorgensons throwed in the middle... :wink:

I was talking with a fellow the other day that has a nice maternal herd of registered angus cows- that have a lot of Shoshone/Wye influence in them- that invited me up to see his Wajima calves that will be coming this spring... Am interested in seeing them...
 
OT,

That was hardly a fair comparison.

A cow in weaning conditition that had never been flushed vs cows that had been in flush programs for extended periods of time.

Think about it....

Badlands
 
Badlands said:
OT,

That was hardly a fair comparison.

A cow in weaning conditition that had never been flushed vs cows that had been in flush programs for extended periods of time.

Think about it....

Badlands
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Badlands- not sure what comparison you are meaning--but I'll definitely agree with you about the size and condition of cows that stand around in a flush program, compared to those actually out there doing their own job...I've heard some say the 4465 cow that is the Dam of Legacy 3R9- and who has been forever in a flush program weighs more than her bull sons... :shock:

Everything has to be compared to the way each individual runs their own cattle...Whether they run strictly on grass- whether they creep feed-type of forage ran on-enviroment- whatever...I would no more buy a bull/heifer from some of these outfits that creep feed from as soon as the calf can walk thru the feed rails- and consistently wean 800-900+ lb calves-- because that is not how my cows are going to be raised, so you have little insight into what those genetics can actually do in your own situation....
Thats the reason when I go looking for animals to put into my program, I'm looking at places that run them similar to how I do..
 
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Grassfarmer is this the type of bull you were referring to as more maternal?

Buffalo Creek claimed he sired very good daughters.
 
Dylan Biggs said:
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Grassfarmer is this the type of bull you were referring to as more maternal?

Buffalo Creek claimed he sired very good daughters.
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If I had a bull like Grassfarmer's(and he looks nothing like the above bull), he is all I would be using and let Nature sort his daughters!
 
RobertMac said:
Dylan Biggs said:
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Grassfarmer is this the type of bull you were referring to as more maternal?

Buffalo Creek claimed he sired very good daughters.
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If I had a bull like Grassfarmer's(and he looks nothing like the above bull), he is all I would be using and let Nature sort his daughters!
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Totally agree with letting nature do the sorting. Where is the photo of grass farmers bull?
 
Yes Dylan that is more the type I'm talking about. Robert Mac we have more than one bull :wink: I'll post again a couple of pictures of the bull you are talking about for Dylan's benefit. My dilemma is that I have a couple of young full brothers out of the same cow as this fancy looking bull and they look way more like the bull Dylan just posted. All three are in my plans to be an integral part of my line-breeding program centered on trying to reproduce cows in numbers that are identical, or close to, the 23 year old dam of these bulls that I just shipped.
I'll likely use them all and see how it works but I am starting to feel they are all extremes in a way and I would rather be picking something "middle of the road" With our very limited gene pool I don't have the individuals that I would deem middle of the road. Hopefully by combining these two types we might get closer to the middle of the road.

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Solomon - just pulled from 40 cows weighing 2040lbs

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A truer picture of the bull - he is a frame score 4.

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And a reminder of the 2 year old bull that sired my good old cow - my two ugly young bulls are very closely related to this plainer type bull and I hope they will produce females of the same quality.
We will certainly be letting nature select as much as possible.
 
No we will be breeding his first daughters this summer. We were tattooing them yesterday and it was snowing so didn't take any pictures but I'm quite happy with their type. Will try and post some soon.
 
Solomon looks more like my preference, certainly bears little resemblance to the more trim hind quartered bulls I think of when you described them. Time will tell in 5 or 6 years you will have a much better idea of the maternal value of solomon. A long row to hoe.
 
Faster horses said:
I guess I flunked. I don't see any similarity between Chief Joseph
and Solomon. :cry:
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Sorry it maybe got a bit confusing - Chief Joseph is more like my other 2 bulls that are on the other end of the spectrum to Solomon on shape/ conformation. Hence I would say Chief Joseph is more like the b+w bull picture I posted. clear now :? ?
 
What makes a good maternal bull are his daughters that consistently turn into good cows. The proof is in the pudding. An evaluation before hand is only a prediction.
 

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