kolanuraven
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http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e1abab3c2b/god-made-a-factory-farmer?rel=player
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Well in a lot of cases- it does hit the nail on the head -- but sure takes all the romance, glamour, and historic allure out of the words farming and ranching...
That whiney voice does have to make you laugh!
That whiney voice does have to make you laugh!
Red Barn Angus
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That is a totally disrespectful piece of crap. Seems like there is always someone out there trying to be negative and beat down anyone who works hard and has been successful in their work. I hope this idiot gets real hungry and soon.
Justin
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Oldtimer said:
it doesn't have to, i didn't.
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Justin said:
A lot of times laughing at it- gets you a lot further than crying about it.. :wink:
Justin
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Oldtimer said:
i didn't do that either.
leanin' H
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I really fail to see the humor in lies and propaganda! :???: :???: The sad part is, while that might be an attempt at a joke, some people in this country think about agriculture that way and they are deadly serious. 
Ya'll laugh all ya want, but that is a shot at ag and your own operation any way ya slice it! 
How funny is that? :???:
After just watching that pile of drivel again, now i am just pissed off! :evil: Blatant bullcrap and just another piece of "green/liberal" garbage that isnt close to the truth! For hell sakes! How can that be funny at all? Unless you think destroying American agriculture is hilarious! :roll: I'd write what i really think of that crap but i'd get banned from this site. But PULL YOUR HEADS OUT FOLKS! Those lies are aimed at YOU! :?
Ya'll laugh all ya want, but that is a shot at ag and your own operation any way ya slice it! How funny is that? :???:After just watching that pile of drivel again, now i am just pissed off! :evil: Blatant bullcrap and just another piece of "green/liberal" garbage that isnt close to the truth! For hell sakes! How can that be funny at all? Unless you think destroying American agriculture is hilarious! :roll: I'd write what i really think of that crap but i'd get banned from this site. But PULL YOUR HEADS OUT FOLKS! Those lies are aimed at YOU! :?
katrina
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leanin' H said:I really fail to see the humor in lies and propaganda! :???: :???: The sad part is, while that might be an attempt at a joke, some people in this country think about agriculture that way and they are deadly serious.
After just watching that pile of drivel again, now i am just p****d off! :evil: Blatant bullcrap and just another piece of "green/liberal" garbage that isnt close to the truth! For hell sakes! How can that be funny at all? Unless you think destroying American agriculture is hilarious! :roll: I'd write what i really think of that crap but i'd get banned from this site. But PULL YOUR HEADS OUT FOLKS! Those lies are aimed at YOU! :?
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PureCountry
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Ok, here we go.
LeaninH, got a lotta respect for you, but I think you're seeing this wrong. What part of that video decribes you? Most of us on here are not "factory farms", at least the kind that the video is targeted at.
There is very little about this video that I would call a lie. Modern agriculture does ooze an aura of Industrial, far more than an aura of the romantic old west like the original Dodge commercial did.
The Dodge commercial painted all farmers and ranchers the same - WE ARE NOT. I think most of us on here deserve the kind of credit the original commercial pays to farmers, and don't like the fact that operations like Tyson-contracted hog or poultry barns, may have gotten their image improved by it, because that type of management is contributing to eutrophication of waterways and nitrate overload in soils.
This spoof commercial paints us all the same also - AND WE ARE NOT. We are not all the factory farmers they are targeting, so why get offended by it? It specifically targets "Big Ag", and is titled as such.
Facts are facts though, modern agriculture is not doing everything it could to work in harmony with the environment, and hasn't been for decades. Lots of things have been bad for our water or soil or animals or people and we were told at the time that they were perfectly safe products, only to find out a few years later that they were terribly harmful - DDT for instance. Anyone remember a chemical called Glean? Found in animal tissue and linked to all sorts of things.
We are still farming with things that we are told are safe for use, and we don't really know if they are or not. Modern agriculture could be doing ALOT better job of growing healthy, safe food, keeping waterways clean and IMPROVING the soil for the next generations to come.
That's my firm opinion. I am not saying anyone who uses glyphosate is evil or implants their calves should be stoned in the town square. I am saying that while we may all have the best of intentions, when you're feeding other people's children you have an obligation to make damn good and sure that what you're growing is safe and nutritious. If you don't want to take the time to question some things and be sure, you are part of the problem. Not enough people give a $h!t in agriculture, in industry, OR in the public consumer population.
LeaninH, got a lotta respect for you, but I think you're seeing this wrong. What part of that video decribes you? Most of us on here are not "factory farms", at least the kind that the video is targeted at.
There is very little about this video that I would call a lie. Modern agriculture does ooze an aura of Industrial, far more than an aura of the romantic old west like the original Dodge commercial did.
The Dodge commercial painted all farmers and ranchers the same - WE ARE NOT. I think most of us on here deserve the kind of credit the original commercial pays to farmers, and don't like the fact that operations like Tyson-contracted hog or poultry barns, may have gotten their image improved by it, because that type of management is contributing to eutrophication of waterways and nitrate overload in soils.
This spoof commercial paints us all the same also - AND WE ARE NOT. We are not all the factory farmers they are targeting, so why get offended by it? It specifically targets "Big Ag", and is titled as such.
Facts are facts though, modern agriculture is not doing everything it could to work in harmony with the environment, and hasn't been for decades. Lots of things have been bad for our water or soil or animals or people and we were told at the time that they were perfectly safe products, only to find out a few years later that they were terribly harmful - DDT for instance. Anyone remember a chemical called Glean? Found in animal tissue and linked to all sorts of things.
We are still farming with things that we are told are safe for use, and we don't really know if they are or not. Modern agriculture could be doing ALOT better job of growing healthy, safe food, keeping waterways clean and IMPROVING the soil for the next generations to come.
That's my firm opinion. I am not saying anyone who uses glyphosate is evil or implants their calves should be stoned in the town square. I am saying that while we may all have the best of intentions, when you're feeding other people's children you have an obligation to make damn good and sure that what you're growing is safe and nutritious. If you don't want to take the time to question some things and be sure, you are part of the problem. Not enough people give a $h!t in agriculture, in industry, OR in the public consumer population.
nortexsook
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Well said PureCountry. There is alot about modern ag that is not so rosy and grand. And if you think Monsanto is a benevolent friend of ag lets just say you might be naive.........
leanin' H
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Who puts all those calves in a "factory feedlot"? :???: Who farms as many acres as they can to grow corn for an ethanol plant? :???: Who spends long hours raising a barnful of turkeys to feed folks on Thanksgiving and every other day? Ranchers and farmers!!! Is agriculture perfect? Absolutely not. But the consumer does not differenciate betwen Monsanto and you! They are so far removed from rural America and Canada, they have no idea what actually happens on my place or yours Pure Country or yours Nortexsook. So they see crap like that video and they BELIEVE it! :shock:
I agree that we can always get better. We can always think outside the box. We can never stop striving for a better way or become complacent. I agree that after calves leave on a truck at weaning time, they very well be going to an industrial sized feed yard that gives folks heart burn due to its scope. That's why we need folks like you leading the way in your market, to educate, correct and inform our consumers about our products and the methods we use to grow them. But those folks who made that video want you gone as much as they want Tyson gone. They only see the bad when they look. Is there bad to see in Ag? Sure. But 98% of agriculture are families like mine and yours. I am not Monsanto or Tyson. But the grenades they throw don't care and still do damage to us as well.
Nortexsook, i am not naive. I get there are shady operations that don't reflect well on agriculture. But explain to me how we feed Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Houston, San Diego, Pittsburg, Baltimore, Toronto, Los Angeles, New York, ect. without a giagantic industry to process, distribute, store and inspect the food it takes to feed 360 million people? Monsanto has many faults but they and Tyson and Monfort and other huge corporations have the infastructure and capital to keep the supermarkets stocked and folks fed.
Baxter Black said it pretty well in his last column.......
Most of the agricultural community watches the pied pipers of "Sustainable Farming" the same way grandparents watch their grandkids play with toy trains. We humor them but don't try to explain how real trains work. Many "Sustainable Farming" proposals are the exact opposite of their name. "Model T Farming," or "Third World Farming" or "Farming to Feed the Few" would be more accurate.
As a caveat, I must credit those scientists seeking realistic solutions to agriculture's booming production capabilities. However, the dream world lead by Luddites and New Age gurus are proposing a return to farming methods used in the first half of the 20th century. A time they describe as "not relying on toxic chemicals, pesticides, synthetic fertilizer and genetically modified foods. A time when animals moved freely, consumed a natural diet, and were not confined."
I do offer a tip of the hat to hobby farmers with a nice garden, some chickens or 15 sheep as 4-H projects. Their contribution is appreciated, but they realize very quickly that they can't grow or raise enough to feed their families for a fortnight, much less 50 of their urban neighbors. Which, of course, is the elephant in the room.
After World War II the population of our country and our world began to explode! In the 1970s scientists were increasingly convinced a new "Ice Age" was coming and "Global Starvation" was imminent. But help was on the way. Monsanto, Dow, John Deere, Pfizer, Monfort, Pioneer, plus a battalion of academic and privately funded scientists had seen it coming and were already root-deep into research. Their objective was to increase production of food and fiber from a decreasing number of acres (a result of urban encroachment), AND keep it affordable for the masses.
Look around you, my friends. They did it ... and saved the world.
Indulge me a few statistics below ...
In the last 50 years the United States and Canada have not only been able to keep up with the sky-rocketing global demand for food, we have shared our research and taught the 3rd World how to feed itself! THAT is what I call "Sustainable Farming."
Agriculture, Great Grandpa's agriculture, before the advent of pesticides, chemicals, antibiotics, concentrated feeding and genetically modified seed, was, and is not "sustainable" by any definition.
I suggest we call the methods that the pied pipers promote, something that more accurately describes their toy train idyllic vision. For the sake of clarity how 'bout "Subsistence Level Farming."* ❖
*subsistence: syn. (Poverty, Insufficient, Hand to mouth) Roget's Thesaurus.
I respect both you guys and do not think we dont have work to do. But without standing together, we will fall alone! We are being attacked daily. Our opposition wants us regulated and taxed into oblivian! They want our water and our land and our livelyhood. They want control and they want dependance. We cannot let them get away with crap like that video. Just like fossil fuels, we cannot just stop what we are doing and depend on solar and wind. We have to get better but not overnight. People are already hungry in America. Something like 1 in 9 dont get enough groceries. How do you propose we feed them if we just "blow up" modern agriculture and start over? :???: Peace my brothers!
We are all on the same team and it tickles me to rub shoulders with folks like you! My opinion and not trying to ruffle any tail feathers. :wink:
I agree that we can always get better. We can always think outside the box. We can never stop striving for a better way or become complacent. I agree that after calves leave on a truck at weaning time, they very well be going to an industrial sized feed yard that gives folks heart burn due to its scope. That's why we need folks like you leading the way in your market, to educate, correct and inform our consumers about our products and the methods we use to grow them. But those folks who made that video want you gone as much as they want Tyson gone. They only see the bad when they look. Is there bad to see in Ag? Sure. But 98% of agriculture are families like mine and yours. I am not Monsanto or Tyson. But the grenades they throw don't care and still do damage to us as well.
Nortexsook, i am not naive. I get there are shady operations that don't reflect well on agriculture. But explain to me how we feed Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Houston, San Diego, Pittsburg, Baltimore, Toronto, Los Angeles, New York, ect. without a giagantic industry to process, distribute, store and inspect the food it takes to feed 360 million people? Monsanto has many faults but they and Tyson and Monfort and other huge corporations have the infastructure and capital to keep the supermarkets stocked and folks fed.
Baxter Black said it pretty well in his last column.......
Most of the agricultural community watches the pied pipers of "Sustainable Farming" the same way grandparents watch their grandkids play with toy trains. We humor them but don't try to explain how real trains work. Many "Sustainable Farming" proposals are the exact opposite of their name. "Model T Farming," or "Third World Farming" or "Farming to Feed the Few" would be more accurate.
As a caveat, I must credit those scientists seeking realistic solutions to agriculture's booming production capabilities. However, the dream world lead by Luddites and New Age gurus are proposing a return to farming methods used in the first half of the 20th century. A time they describe as "not relying on toxic chemicals, pesticides, synthetic fertilizer and genetically modified foods. A time when animals moved freely, consumed a natural diet, and were not confined."
I do offer a tip of the hat to hobby farmers with a nice garden, some chickens or 15 sheep as 4-H projects. Their contribution is appreciated, but they realize very quickly that they can't grow or raise enough to feed their families for a fortnight, much less 50 of their urban neighbors. Which, of course, is the elephant in the room.
After World War II the population of our country and our world began to explode! In the 1970s scientists were increasingly convinced a new "Ice Age" was coming and "Global Starvation" was imminent. But help was on the way. Monsanto, Dow, John Deere, Pfizer, Monfort, Pioneer, plus a battalion of academic and privately funded scientists had seen it coming and were already root-deep into research. Their objective was to increase production of food and fiber from a decreasing number of acres (a result of urban encroachment), AND keep it affordable for the masses.
Look around you, my friends. They did it ... and saved the world.
Indulge me a few statistics below ...
In the last 50 years the United States and Canada have not only been able to keep up with the sky-rocketing global demand for food, we have shared our research and taught the 3rd World how to feed itself! THAT is what I call "Sustainable Farming."
Agriculture, Great Grandpa's agriculture, before the advent of pesticides, chemicals, antibiotics, concentrated feeding and genetically modified seed, was, and is not "sustainable" by any definition.
I suggest we call the methods that the pied pipers promote, something that more accurately describes their toy train idyllic vision. For the sake of clarity how 'bout "Subsistence Level Farming."* ❖
*subsistence: syn. (Poverty, Insufficient, Hand to mouth) Roget's Thesaurus.
I respect both you guys and do not think we dont have work to do. But without standing together, we will fall alone! We are being attacked daily. Our opposition wants us regulated and taxed into oblivian! They want our water and our land and our livelyhood. They want control and they want dependance. We cannot let them get away with crap like that video. Just like fossil fuels, we cannot just stop what we are doing and depend on solar and wind. We have to get better but not overnight. People are already hungry in America. Something like 1 in 9 dont get enough groceries. How do you propose we feed them if we just "blow up" modern agriculture and start over? :???: Peace my brothers!
We are all on the same team and it tickles me to rub shoulders with folks like you! My opinion and not trying to ruffle any tail feathers. :wink:PureCountry
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Ok H, think about what you said a little bit. You just praised the big corps for taking the initiative after WW2 to keep us all fed and teach 3rd world countries how to feed themselves, then said 1 in 9 americans are going hungry.
Big corps are not feeding the world. Yes they are processing and distributing and all that, but hunger, starvation and disease are getting worse in this world since GMO crops exploded on the scene in 1996, which is the same time glyphosate exploded in sales due to GMO's. Coincidence?
As for numbers, China was feeding over 2 billion people a century ago with peasant style truly old fashioned organic farming. It could be done without big corps and their distribution systems, it just will take a long time to transition away from this goliath of a system we have now. Their systems and infrastructure are in place more for exporting commodities anyway.
I agree with you 100% though, that we have to stand together. That means we also need to stand together with the people who made this video, and educate them about who to point their cynicism at. We also will need to stand with agronomists, economists,environmentalists and scientists and all academics to make sure we take the right steps to do what's right for health, safety and environment.
The times of farming/ranching with our heads in the sand like what happens after the auction market is someone else's problem, have got to be left in the past, because that's where they belong. It is a flawed antiquated system that has made a mess of our food system and our environment. It has to go, and a new model - LED BY FARMERS WHO CARE - has to be built.
Appreciate your passion and inputs H, this is how we make things happen.
Big corps are not feeding the world. Yes they are processing and distributing and all that, but hunger, starvation and disease are getting worse in this world since GMO crops exploded on the scene in 1996, which is the same time glyphosate exploded in sales due to GMO's. Coincidence?
As for numbers, China was feeding over 2 billion people a century ago with peasant style truly old fashioned organic farming. It could be done without big corps and their distribution systems, it just will take a long time to transition away from this goliath of a system we have now. Their systems and infrastructure are in place more for exporting commodities anyway.
I agree with you 100% though, that we have to stand together. That means we also need to stand together with the people who made this video, and educate them about who to point their cynicism at. We also will need to stand with agronomists, economists,environmentalists and scientists and all academics to make sure we take the right steps to do what's right for health, safety and environment.
The times of farming/ranching with our heads in the sand like what happens after the auction market is someone else's problem, have got to be left in the past, because that's where they belong. It is a flawed antiquated system that has made a mess of our food system and our environment. It has to go, and a new model - LED BY FARMERS WHO CARE - has to be built.
Appreciate your passion and inputs H, this is how we make things happen.
WB
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H You nailed it home run.
mwj
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What is wrong with promoting your product and your way of life without tearing the other guy down :???: Do you guys running a couple hundred momma cows hate the ones with a thousand.
Justin
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mwj said:
depends on who they are. :wink:
Soapweed
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PureCountry said:
While in Rapid City last week attending the Black Hills Stock Show, I had occasion to browse through the BAM (Books-A-Million) bookstore. One book that interested me was MYTHS, LIES, AND DOWNRIGHT STUPIDITY by John Stossel. It can be found on the internet at
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1898820&page=5
Here is an excerpt on the subject of DDT:
MYTH: DDT causes all kinds of cancers, and nearly wiped out every bird in the world.
TRUTH: DDT saves lives.
Malaria will kill more than one thousand children before you finish reading this book. The chemical DDT is at the core of the problem-not the use of DDT, but the failure to use it because of media hysteria. In Uganda alone, said minister of health Jim Muhwezi, "We are losing between two million and three million people a year." Think of it: Millions die because the media gets it wrong.
You are probably saying, "What is he talking about? DDT is awful!" But it isn't. DDT is capable of doing far more good than harm. You just don't know that, because some people, including reporters, are terrified of DDT.
Here's how it happened: Fifty years ago, Americans sprayed DDT everywhere. Farmers used it to repel bugs, and health officials to fight mosquitoes that carry malaria. Nobody worried much about chemicals then. It was a shock to watch the old videos my producer found: People at picnics just sat and kept eating while trucks sprayed thick white clouds of DDT on top of them. In fact, when the trucks came to spray, some people ran toward them-as if an ice cream truck had come-they were so happy to have mosquitoes repelled. Tons of DDT were sprayed on food and people.
Despite this overuse, there was no surge in cancer or any other human injury. Scientists found no evidence that spraying DDT seriously hurt people. It did cause some harm: It threatened bird populations by thinning the shells of their eggs.
In 1962, the book Silent Spring by Rachel Carson made the damage famous and helped instill our fear of chemicals. The book raised some serious questions about the use of DDT, but the legitimate nature of those questions was lost in the media feeding frenzy that followed. DDT was a "Killer Chemical!" and the press was off on another fear campaign.
It turns out DDT itself wasn't the problem-the problem was that much too much was sprayed. That's often true with chemicals; it's the dose that matters. We need water, for example, but six feet of it will kill us.
In the 1950s we sprayed DDT indiscriminately, but it only takes a tiny amount to prevent the spread of malaria. If sprayed on walls of an African hut, a small amount will keep mosquitoes at bay for half a year. That makes it a wonderful malaria fighter. But today DDT is rarely used to fight malaria because environmentalists' demonization of it causes others to shun it.
That frustrates Dr. Amir Attaran, who researched the issue at Harvard University. "If it's a chemical, it must be bad," he told us. "If it's DDT, it must be awful. And that's fine if you're a rich white environmentalist. It's not so fine if you're a poor black kid who is about to lose his life from malaria." Uganda's health minister angrily asked us: "How many people do they want us to lose before we use DDT?" Good question.
The U.S. government does spend your tax dollars trying to fight malaria in Africa, but it has not spent a penny on DDT. The money goes for things like mosquito netting over beds (even though not everyone in Africa even has a bed). The office that dispenses those funds, the Agency for International Development, acknowledges DDT is safe.
I went to the State Department to interview the USAID official in charge of international health. With a straight face, she denied that their no-funds-for-DDT policy had anything to do with being "environmentally correct." I felt like I was talking to a robot.
DR. ANNE PETERSON I would recommend that if those who want to use [DDT for] indoor spraying, that they can and should. And it is definitely less harmful than dying and being exposed to malaria.
STOSSEL But you won't pay for it?
DR. ANNE PETERSON Currently we don't pay for it.
STOSSEL This is pathetic. Millions of people are dying and you, to be politically correct, are saying, "No, we don't want to pay for DDT."
DR. ANNE PETERSON I believe that the strategies we are using are as effective as spraying with DDT. And we are getting them out as far and as fast as we can. So, politically correct or not, I am very confident that what we are doing is the right strategy.
The right strategy? Dr. Attaran has a better perspective: "If I were to characterize what USAID does on malaria, I'd call it medical malpractice. I would call it murderous."
After my interview with Dr. Peterson, USAID said it has reconsidered its policy, and it may fund spraying of DDT.
We'll see. For now, millions die while USAID dithers.
The agency was simply responding to media hysteria. Media hysteria invites politicians to do the wrong thing. In this case, the result of the media getting it so wrong is millions of deaths.
mytfarms
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Anyone else think it's funny how Kola shows up in Ranch Talk and we've got people raising hackles and bearing teeth? She has an awe inspiring knack for that. 
PureCountry
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mytfarms, why make a comment like that? H and I were just agreeing that we all have to stand together to make change.
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