When buying your food, what is most important to you?

[RobertMac]

And the consumer is knowledgeable in food safety, how?

The average consumer wouldn't know how to determine food safety from a hole in the ground.

If something they buy makes them sick, they quit buying it. If you are going to produce food, you better produce something the consumer wants to buy. The biggest problem cattlemen have is they depend on someone else to promote and sell their product...BEEF!

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Rod, calm down and explain to me how the consumer will know where food is processed and raised if there isn't some form of COOL.

RM, we have it right now. If beef is processed in the US, it becomes a Product of the USA, as it should be, since 99.99999% of all foodborn illnesses are introduced at the processing level.

Why should I have a product of Canada label on one of my perfectly safe animals when the E-Coli was introduced at the processing level?

Rod

 

[RobertMac]

Rod, calm down and explain to me how the consumer will know where food is processed and raised if there isn't some form of COOL.

RM, we have it right now. If beef is processed in the US, it becomes a Product of the USA, as it should be, since 99.99999% of all foodborn illnesses are introduced at the processing level.

Why should I have a product of Canada label on one of my perfectly safe animals when the E-Coli was introduced at the processing level?

Rod

Rod, on the label is an inspection stamp that contains an establishment number specific to the plant where the product was processed. If there is an E.coli problem, product is recalled according to the Est. number. I agree that the majority(maybe not 99.99999%, but close) of all food born illnesses are introduced at large volume processing level. Tracking a few head of imported cattle randomly in a shift's run of several thousand head in one of the large volume plants is not economically feasible...and that cost is the figures USDA and packers use as the cost of COOL implementation. The sensible way to process imports are through a plant that can schedule a complete shift's run of cattle that will come out of the plant with the same label...this is done everyday with small branded programs. The cost of implementing COOL in this scenario is insignificant.

Here's an idea...keep your Canadian cattle in Canada, process them in Canada, then ship the meat to market with that trust-worthy Canadian Maple leaf on each package...you keep most of the profit from added value in Canada.

But wait, that would require an independent Canadian owned processing industry... :roll: :shock: :roll: :roll:

See rkaiser..... :wink:

 

[PORKER]

U.S. dairy operations are using animal feed contaminated with melamine

Because melamine is passed through cow's milk, the contamination of U.S. dairy cows with melamine through their feed could result in high melamine concentrations in the resulting milk proteins.

China has already admitted that melamine has been detected in alarming quantities in animal feed there, and tests have already shown chickens to be contaminated with the chemical. The question today is this: Do U.S. dairy farms use animal feed containing ingredients imported from China?Wilbur Elis is a ingredient importer for dairymen.

If so, then we may have a problem here that's much, much bigger than infant formula. We may have a dairy industry that's producing melamine-contaminated milk, which could mean that virtually all milk, yoghurt, butter and cheese produced in the U.S. might be contaminated with some level of melamine.

Again, NaturalNews has no proof that this is the situation, but the melamine must have come from somewhere. It didn't just spontaneously generate in the infant formula as the FDA would seemingly want us to believe. If the milk proteins in infant formula are contaminated with melamine, then it stands to reason that the milk proteins used throughout the food supply may also be contaminated.

We may, indeed, be looking at an industry-wide problem here. Powdered milk, meal replacement products and even milk protein drinks may all be contaminated with melamine at levels similar to the infant formula products.

Because you have to follow the logic here: Either the infant formula manufacturers ADDED melamine to their products (highly unlikely), or the entire milk product industry has a melamine problem.

You can't logically conclude that these infant formula manufacturers somehow got all the melamine-contaminated milk proteins but everybody else got melamine-free milk proteins. Milk proteins are a commodity in the food industry, and milk from thousands of different cows can all be mixed together in a single pound of milk protein. What could be happening here is that one dairy farm may have highly-contaminated cows because it used cheap feed fillers from China.

 

[MoGal]

Reader(the2nd): My mom told me over the weekend that it was on their california news that 2 out of 3 toys are tainted (with what I forgot to ask) but that they aren't going to do a recall until February????????

How many kids could get sick between now and then from their Xmas toys? Why are we waiting until February???

Sorry for getting off topic but this stuff really ticks me off.

 

[Sandhusker]

Reader(the2nd): My mom told me over the weekend that it was on their california news that 2 out of 3 toys are tainted (with what I forgot to ask) but that they aren't going to do a recall until February????????

How many kids could get sick between now and then from their Xmas toys? Why are we waiting until February???

Sorry for getting off topic but this stuff really ticks me off.

Trade is more important to our leaders than safety. It's all about money.

 

[RobertMac]

Reader, could you find out why a small processing plant has to hire someone to write a HACCP plan when there is an inspector in the plant that can monitor everything going on in the plant?

And, welcome back!

 

[PORKER]

Say Robert, just fill it out, ScoringAg has all of the HACCP and SSOP records in ScoringAg's database, sample below, costs $25.00 bucks per room per year. Press link below;
http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/40002/



Add Location Record Room Number,
Choose Record Types to add to this Location

Species Slaughtered

HACCP record ID
Choose Start new record

Species Slaughtered Choose Bovine (Cattle / Veal) Caprine (Goats) Ovine (Sheep) Porcine (Pigs / Hogs) Ratites (Ostrich, Emu)
Species Slaughtered Other (name)

Product
Official Product Name
Production Shift
Lot Number
Size of Lot / Designated Lot
Monitoring
Critical Control Point (CCP) Monitoring

Monitoring Personnel

Quantifiable Value

Zero Tolerance Findings (Milk, Feces, Ingesta)

Anti-Microbial Spray Used?
Type?
Monitoring Finding of CCP
Choose Acceptable or Unacceptable

9 CFR 417.3 Corrective Actions Taken (if any)

Specified risked materials (SRM) removed and denatured?

Location Area / Room

todays site Remarks:


SSOP
Add Room Location Record
Choose Record Types to add to this Location

Sanitation Performed Choose Operational or Pre-Operational

Time Performed

Monitoring Personnel

Verifying Personnel

Were All Items Found Acceptable?

Items found Unacceptable

Establishment Tagged Items

Item(s) / Reason For Establishment Tagging

FSIS Tagged Items

Item(s) / Reason For FSIS Tagging

Corrective Actions Taken (9 CFR 416.15)

Noncompliance Record(s) (NR) Issued?
Noncompliance Record(s) (NR) Response / Note

Additional Notes
SSOP room location Remarks:

 

[RobertMac]

Reader, could you find out why a small processing plant has to hire someone to write a HACCP plan when there is an inspector in the plant that can monitor everything going on in the plant?

And, welcome back!

Thanks. I know that the Government tends to love putting paperwork in place and going with one size fits all. We have a Project Management Plan that we need to create but there are waivers for certain kinds of projects.

Have you spoken to your representative or professional association and suggested an alternative approach?

When I learn more about the HACCP plan (if I do), I'll speak more intelligently.

R2, I don't own or operate the plant...just a customer.

The professionals I talked to were two FSIS inspectors coming by my farm for the required annual visit. They were telling me that it was the "one size fits all" regulations that FSIS is enforcing on these small plants, is driving them out of business. I have a USDA label. but there is no plant in MS or AL that I can utilize my label. I have stores asking me for product, but I can't provide it. The large packers are locking me out of the market...and we call this a free market!!!!!

One of the inspectors recently worked at a high volume pork processor. He told me these large volume plants are the problem with food contamination. He told me there was no way he could inspect the carcasses, much less to an adequate job of inspection. And the workers just didn't care! There is no wondering why the food industry has so many food recalls!!!

If producers can't have their animals processed and sell directly to the public, there is no way to learn true value of our product.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Well imagine that. Almost HALF of all people only care about price point. Oddly enough, I didn't believe the whole "consumers want MCOOL" garbage I see spewing from R-Quackers and politicians' mouths. I have yet to see a genuine poll that suggests anyone wants more than what we have right now...

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

Well imagine that. Almost HALF of all people only care about price point. Oddly enough, I didn't believe the whole "consumers want MCOOL" garbage I see spewing from R-Quackers and politicians' mouths. I have yet to see a genuine poll that suggests anyone wants more than what we have right now...

Rod

I'd hesitate to call this poll "a genuine poll' :lol:

 

[Longcut]

Well imagine that. Almost HALF of all people only care about price point. Oddly enough, I didn't believe the whole "consumers want MCOOL" garbage I see spewing from R-Quackers and politicians' mouths. I have yet to see a genuine poll that suggests anyone wants more than what we have right now...

Rod

I'd hesitate to call this poll "a genuine poll' :lol:

Looks to me that it is as genuine as any other poll I have seen here!

 

[RobertMac]

In tough economic times, price is very important to most consumers...but for 'price only' consumers, the product they will buy is poultry, not beef!
Better give consumers other reasons to buy beef!!! :roll:

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

I'd hesitate to call this poll "a genuine poll' :lol:

Well I keep hearing about how "the people want MCOOL", yet I haven't seen a single poll about it anywhere. Personally I think the politicians who sponsor COOL have simply lied (or are repeating the lies of R-Quack and the National Whiners Union) about how the American consumer wants it.

So show me a poll that shows that the consumer wants AND UNDERSTANDS what MCOOL truly does.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

I'd hesitate to call this poll "a genuine poll' :lol:

Well I keep hearing about how "the people want MCOOL", yet I haven't seen a single poll about it anywhere. Personally I think the politicians who sponsor COOL have simply lied (or are repeating the lies of R-Quack and the National Whiners Union) about how the American consumer wants it.

So show me a poll that shows that the consumer wants AND UNDERSTANDS what MCOOL truly does.

Rod

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. consumers overwhelmingly support stricter food labeling laws, with 92 percent of Americans wanting to know which country produced the food they are buying, a consumer magazine said on Tuesday.

Consumer Reports said recent food scares, including worries about peanut butter and lettuce, have made Americans more interested in knowing not only how their food was produced but where it was made.

"I was definitely shocked at how high these numbers were," said the study's coauthor Dr. Urvashi Rangan, a senior scientist and policy analyst at Consumers Union, the nonprofit organization that publishes Consumer Reports magazine.

"It's much like a nutrition label or an ingredient label in that it needs to be part of the general information coming in about imported foods," she added.

The poll was conducted with 1,004 telephone interviews between June 7 and June 10.

Last month, USDA said it would reopen public comment to its so-called "country-of-origin" labeling measure until August 20.

Congress enacted the meat-labeling requirement as part of a 2002 law but has twice delayed the start date, now set for September 30, 2008

 

[ranch hand]

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11329497&cm_mmc=BCEmail_371-_-FOCUS-_-12-_-JapaneseKobeBeef

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

peanut butter and lettuce, have made Americans more interested in knowing not only how their food was produced but where it was made.

You'll notice what I bolded above? The word MADE?

Dictionary definition of ORIGIN:

or⋅i⋅gin [awr-i-jin, or-] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. something from which anything arises or is derived; source; fountainhead: to follow a stream to its origin.
2. rise or derivation from a particular source: the origin of a word.
3. the first stage of existence; beginning: the origin of Quakerism in America.
4. ancestry; parentage; extraction: to be of Scottish origin.
5. Anatomy. a. the point of derivation.
b. the more fixed portion of a muscle.

6. Mathematics. a. the point in a Cartesian coordinate system where the axes intersect.
b. Also called pole. the point from which rays designating specific angles originate in a polar coordinate system with no axes.

Notice nowhere in the above definitions does the word MADE appear?

Now the applicable dictionary definition of PROCESSed:

proc·ess 1 (prŏs'ěs', prō'sěs') Pronunciation Key

2. A series of operations performed in the making or treatment of a product: a manufacturing process; leather dyed during the tanning process.

You'll notice what I have bolded in the above dictionary entry?

Thank you for making my point Sandhusker. Consumers don't want to know ORIGIN, but rather how their food was processed. Oddly enough, they already have that with current food labelling laws. Only politicians, R-Quakkers and NFU robots consider origin to include PROCESSING, which most people understand is where genuine food safety issues arise.

Or do you have another poll that you can point to that says consumers want to know ORIGIN?

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

"It's much like a nutrition label or an ingredient label in that it needs to be part of the general information coming in about imported foods,"

I would be comfortable in defining a box of beef from another country an "imported food".

"the first stage of existence"

Wouldn't the first stage of existence of beef be a bovine?

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

"the first stage of existence"

Wouldn't the first stage of existence of beef be a bovine?

<sigh> Look at the definitions. First stage of existence is ORIGIN. You posted a link that said 95% of consumers want to know where their food is MADE, which is the very definition of PROCESSED, which is exactly what we have without MCOOL.

Thats why I thanked you for making my point. You haven't posted any poll that says consumers want ORIGIN, they just want to know where their food is MADE. In other words PROCESSED. MCOOL only hides this behind a veil of lies and subterfuge.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

Rod, people want to know where the hell their food comes from. The pollsters aren't first defining "origin" for the people, they're asking them if they're concerned about where their food comes from, and people aren't thinking of a processing plant, they're thinking of a country.

One of the pushers of this deal was Chinese goods. A lot of what we import from China is raw materials that get processed here, but where is the concern for consumers? You know damn well that it is not the processing of Chinese materials in the US, it's the flipping Chinese materials themselves!

You remember the pet food poisoning deal we had here? People wanted to know that Chinese wheat gluten - as in FROM CHINA - wasn't used in the pet foods that were made here. Where the food was made wasn't the issue, where the ingredients came from clearly was!