HAY MAKER said:when should "OTM" cattle start crossing the Canadian border into the United States?
Shelly said:I think it should open up to "OTM" cattle, too. The states has old cows, we have old cows. We've had cows found with BSE, the states have cows found with BSE. Same situation both sides of the border.
:lol: :lol: :lol: A few bird fragments found in a load of canola meal :lol: big infraction :lol: while you keep feeding chicken crap to cattle.HAY MAKER said:I believe "OTM" cattle need to be kept out of the "USA"until we are assured that there are no cattle alive that were born prior to the "feed ban."And with the many documented cases of "feed ban" violations you could make a case for starting that process this year after Canada assures us they have a regulatory agency in place, that will assure the "USA" that the feed ban is being complied with.I hate to see the canadian rancher go through this but as long as they keep violating the feed ban,they will keep paying the price.................good luck
HAY MAKER said:I believe "OTM" cattle need to be kept out of the "USA"until we are assured that there are no cattle alive that were born prior to the "feed ban."And with the many documented cases of "feed ban" violations you could make a case for starting that process this year after Canada assures us they have a regulatory agency in place, that will assure the "USA" that the feed ban is being complied with.I hate to see the canadian rancher go through this but as long as they keep violating the feed ban,they will keep paying the price.................good luck
Why hasn't the US closed the Texas border and the rest of the US producers demand that all older cattle coming from Texas be destroyed, Haymaker? :???: You seem to come up will all kinds of things Canada should do but you forget you have BSE in the Texas native herd. :shock:You make a good point Shelly,if the Canadian government really wanted to help the rancher,they would start a program to remove any and all cattle born before the feed ban.That would be a subsidy that every one would support
Ban cattle from another country because the US has lower standards?Oldtimer said:We shouldn't even think of opening it to OTM's or breeding stock until we get our BSE firewall gaps closed: ban the feeding of chicken litter- ban the feeding of table scraps to ruminants- ban the use of blood in milk replacer and other products which may be consumed by ruminants- and proof that these bans are being complied with...
Also we need to have the mandatory ID plan up and running with forced compliance- so that we know where these cows are and where they go....
Mike said:Tam, The COOL BILL excludes the "Mandate" of any one particular ID system/data gathering or info recording by the USDA. Not ID itself. That would have left it open to the states to appoint a system that would suffice for an "AUDIT TRAIL" as required for COOL.
Everyone knows that ID is necessary for tracking. It's just that everyone does not agree on the method or system.
This is true but if you wait until everyone agrees you will NEVER have a system that will find reportable disease sourses in a reasonable amount of time. :roll:Everyone knows that ID is necessary for tracking. It's just that everyone does not agree on the method or system
Don't you just love it. :wink: They are willing to destroy those that have proven to be better at keeping up with the times while they play catchup. :roll:Bill said:Ban cattle from another country because the US has lower standards?Oldtimer said:We shouldn't even think of opening it to OTM's or breeding stock until we get our BSE firewall gaps closed: ban the feeding of chicken litter- ban the feeding of table scraps to ruminants- ban the use of blood in milk replacer and other products which may be consumed by ruminants- and proof that these bans are being complied with...
Also we need to have the mandatory ID plan up and running with forced compliance- so that we know where these cows are and where they go....
Why would that only make sense to an R-Calfer?
HAY MAKER said:Shelly said:I think it should open up to "OTM" cattle, too. The states has old cows, we have old cows. We've had cows found with BSE, the states have cows found with BSE. Same situation both sides of the border.
You make a good point Shelly,if the Canadian government really wanted to help the rancher,they would start a program to remove any and all cattle born before the feed ban.That would be a subsidy that every one would support :wink: ....................good luck
Shelly said:HAY MAKER said:Shelly said:I think it should open up to "OTM" cattle, too. The states has old cows, we have old cows. We've had cows found with BSE, the states have cows found with BSE. Same situation both sides of the border.
You make a good point Shelly,if the Canadian government really wanted to help the rancher,they would start a program to remove any and all cattle born before the feed ban.That would be a subsidy that every one would support :wink: ....................good luck
My husband has maintained from day one of our BSE problem, that every cow born before our feed ban was put in place should have been taken out of the whole Canadian herd. No ifs, ands, or buts. And I'm inclined to agree with him for two reasons. 1) There'd be no dispute about an old crock being fed something before the ban was in place, and 2) we wouldn't have this overload of cows to deal with when it comes to finding a market for them.
Millions of cows being chased into a pit to be shot makes good press???Mike said:Shelly said:HAY MAKER said:You make a good point Shelly,if the Canadian government really wanted to help the rancher,they would start a program to remove any and all cattle born before the feed ban.That would be a subsidy that every one would support :wink: ....................good luck
My husband has maintained from day one of our BSE problem, that every cow born before our feed ban was put in place should have been taken out of the whole Canadian herd. No ifs, ands, or buts. And I'm inclined to agree with him for two reasons. 1) There'd be no dispute about an old crock being fed something before the ban was in place, and 2) we wouldn't have this overload of cows to deal with when it comes to finding a market for them.
Shelly, Someone else suggested that from down here the other day. Would go a long way to ease a lot of fears and make good press. Don't wait for the USDA to make a recommendation that is as sensible though.
Millions of cows being chased into a pit to be shot makes good press???