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Will the idiocy never end??????

Kato

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According to what we've been told by RCalfers, the Canadian cattle producer is not their enemy.

BULL HOCKEY!

Their true colours have been shown well in this piece of garbage disguised as a press release. With friends like this, who needs enemies? If we're getting treated so well, try coming up here and trying to make a living. You wouldn't last a week.

I haven't seen this much BS since this morning when we fed the bulls......


Canada's WTO COOL Complaint Hypocritical in Light of Millions in Subsidies to Its Domestic Cattle Industry

January 28, 2010 Washington, D.C. – In a letter sent today to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), R-CALF USA explained that although Canada claims as an entitlement access to the U.S. market for its cattle and beef without country-of-origin labeling (COOL), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle and beef sector in order to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market.

"We believe Canada's subsidies on beef and cattle constitute an artificial propping-up of a Canadian cattle industry that is unsustainable at its present size but for those government subsidies, and further we believe that Canada's subsidies are inconsistent with the very World Trade Organization (WTO) agreements that Canada claims the U.S. has violated vis-à-vis COOL," explained R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard.

"USTR and USDA should not tolerate the Government of Canada's ongoing practice of using the Canadian treasury to manipulate the U.S. cattle market by subsidizing Canadian cattle supplies and beef production at levels above what a competitive market can support. This practice is particularly appalling given the Government of Canada is trying to undermine the United States' constitutionally passed COOL law – which is widely supported by U.S. cattle producers and consumers – while simultaneously using its treasury to out-compete independent U.S. cattle producers, whose prices are depressed because Canada is unjustly and artificially propping-up its cattle supplies beyond what the available market can bear…" the letter states, in part.

The letter encourages USTR and USDA to review the Canadian subsidies (a partial list is below), which are designed to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market and simultaneously undermine the United States' pro-competition COOL law. R-CALF USA believes the Canadian subsidies not only negate any standing that Canada may have at the WTO to file a complaint against our domestic COOL law, but also, that these subsidies warrant immediate corrective action by USTR and USDA to protect the hundreds of thousands of remaining independent U.S. cattle produces whose markets are being severely depressed by Canada's artificial maintenance of excessive cattle supplies.

"Despite the worldwide reduction in demand for Canadian cattle and beef due to its significant problems with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle industry, thereby promoting excessive cattle supplies that must be unloaded or dumped into export markets," Bullard pointed out. "Canada is particularly reliant on the U.S. market to unload or dump its excess supplies and Canada is now trying to further penetrate the U.S. market by destroying COOL – an action that would allow Canada to effectively hide from U.S. consumers the origin of beef derived from Canadian cattle."

Examples of Canada's subsidies on cattle and beef include:

* BSE Recovery Loans: Through March 31, 2008, the Manitoba Agricultural Services Corporation (MASC) provided "BSE Recovery Loans" to Manitoba cattle producers that experienced financial hardships due to BSE. The MASC states "Even now, after most disputes have subsided and the borders have reopened, Manitoba producers still suffer through the disease's financial aftershocks." The BSE Recovery Loans were divided into two parts, with interest on Part 1 loans set at 3.25 percent and lower, and interest on Part 2 loans set at 1.5 percent below MASC's prevailing one-year rate. Beginning Feb. 21, 2008, the MASC granted a 3-year deferral on principal payments for Part 2 BSE Recovery Loans, thereby making these loans an ongoing subsidy.

* Stocker Loans: The MASC also provides guaranteed "Stocker Loans" to Canadian cattle producers for the purchase of steer calves, heifer calves, and feeder cows, as well as for cash advances to producers that already own stocker animals. The MASC explains that these loans are intended to address fluctuations in international livestock markets: "Manitoba's livestock producers raise some of Canada's best beef cattle, but fluctuations in international livestock markets can cause even the best producers to experience temporary cash flow problems." The maximum guarantee for these Stocker Loans is $250,000 with interest set at a one-year term rate.

* Alberta Feeder Association Guarantee Programs: Under the Inspection/Investigation Branch, Regulatory Services Division, Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development, the provincial government may guarantee repayment of loans made to feeder associations to finance the acquisition of livestock by the members of those feeder associations. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Commerce found that "these loan guarantees are countervailable subsidies to the extent that they lower the cost of borrowing within the meaning of section 771(5) of the Act [Tariff Act of 1930, as amended by the Uruguay Round Agreement Act].

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada has compiled a list of measures implemented by the Canadian government that provided the Canadian cattle industry with financial assistance while the government worked to reopen borders and restore market operations. This assistance included:

* SE Recovery Program: Total program funding was $520 million. "The program helped to keep the domestic market moving and provided improved returns to feedlots and processors in light of severely depressed prices."

* Work Sharing Program: Agreements valued at more than $9.4 million were signed with two Canadian meat packers to assist them in overcoming the financial problems associated with BSE.

* Producer Assistance 2003: The Government of Canada advanced business risk management funding to certain producers.

* Canadian Agricultural Income Stabilization (CAIS) program: The program is intended to assist producers who experienced a loss of income as a result of BSE and other factors, helping producers protect their farming operations from both small and large drops in income.

* Cull Animal Program: Total funding for this program is expected to be $200 million. It was intended to allow payment to producers for cull animals prior to slaughter.

* Transitional Industry Support Program: The Government of Canada announced $930 million for this program that included direct payments to producers of cattle and other ruminant animals.

* Provision of the Income Tax Act: The Canada Revenue Agency was given authority to cancel or waive penalties and interest to those unable to meet their obligations due to extraordinary circumstances, including BSE.

"The Canadian government is supporting its live cattle industry in ways we never dreamed of here in the United States, just so they may maintain access to our over-supplied marketplace," observed R-CALF USA President/Region VI Director Max Thornsberry. "Does USDA intend to let Canada become the 51st state?"
 
Kato said:
According to what we've been told by RCalfers, the Canadian cattle producer is not their enemy.

BULL HOCKEY!

Their true colours have been shown well in this piece of garbage disguised as a press release. With friends like this, who needs enemies? If we're getting treated so well, try coming up here and trying to make a living. You wouldn't last a week.

I haven't seen this much BS since this morning when we fed the bulls......


Canada's WTO COOL Complaint Hypocritical in Light of Millions in Subsidies to Its Domestic Cattle Industry

January 28, 2010 Washington, D.C. – In a letter sent today to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), R-CALF USA explained that although Canada claims as an entitlement access to the U.S. market for its cattle and beef without country-of-origin labeling (COOL), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle and beef sector in order to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market.

"We believe Canada's subsidies on beef and cattle constitute an artificial propping-up of a Canadian cattle industry that is unsustainable at its present size but for those government subsidies, and further we believe that Canada's subsidies are inconsistent with the very World Trade Organization (WTO) agreements that Canada claims the U.S. has violated vis-à-vis COOL," explained R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard.

"USTR and USDA should not tolerate the Government of Canada's ongoing practice of using the Canadian treasury to manipulate the U.S. cattle market by subsidizing Canadian cattle supplies and beef production at levels above what a competitive market can support. This practice is particularly appalling given the Government of Canada is trying to undermine the United States' constitutionally passed COOL law – which is widely supported by U.S. cattle producers and consumers – while simultaneously using its treasury to out-compete independent U.S. cattle producers, whose prices are depressed because Canada is unjustly and artificially propping-up its cattle supplies beyond what the available market can bear…" the letter states, in part.

The letter encourages USTR and USDA to review the Canadian subsidies (a partial list is below), which are designed to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market and simultaneously undermine the United States' pro-competition COOL law. R-CALF USA believes the Canadian subsidies not only negate any standing that Canada may have at the WTO to file a complaint against our domestic COOL law, but also, that these subsidies warrant immediate corrective action by USTR and USDA to protect the hundreds of thousands of remaining independent U.S. cattle produces whose markets are being severely depressed by Canada's artificial maintenance of excessive cattle supplies.

"Despite the worldwide reduction in demand for Canadian cattle and beef due to its significant problems with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle industry, thereby promoting excessive cattle supplies that must be unloaded or dumped into export markets," Bullard pointed out. "Canada is particularly reliant on the U.S. market to unload or dump its excess supplies and Canada is now trying to further penetrate the U.S. market by destroying COOL – an action that would allow Canada to effectively hide from U.S. consumers the origin of beef derived from Canadian cattle."

Examples of Canada's subsidies on cattle and beef include:

* BSE Recovery Loans: Through March 31, 2008, the Manitoba Agricultural Services Corporation (MASC) provided "BSE Recovery Loans" to Manitoba cattle producers that experienced financial hardships due to BSE. The MASC states "Even now, after most disputes have subsided and the borders have reopened, Manitoba producers still suffer through the disease's financial aftershocks." The BSE Recovery Loans were divided into two parts, with interest on Part 1 loans set at 3.25 percent and lower, and interest on Part 2 loans set at 1.5 percent below MASC's prevailing one-year rate. Beginning Feb. 21, 2008, the MASC granted a 3-year deferral on principal payments for Part 2 BSE Recovery Loans, thereby making these loans an ongoing subsidy.

* Stocker Loans: The MASC also provides guaranteed "Stocker Loans" to Canadian cattle producers for the purchase of steer calves, heifer calves, and feeder cows, as well as for cash advances to producers that already own stocker animals. The MASC explains that these loans are intended to address fluctuations in international livestock markets: "Manitoba's livestock producers raise some of Canada's best beef cattle, but fluctuations in international livestock markets can cause even the best producers to experience temporary cash flow problems." The maximum guarantee for these Stocker Loans is $250,000 with interest set at a one-year term rate.

* Alberta Feeder Association Guarantee Programs: Under the Inspection/Investigation Branch, Regulatory Services Division, Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development, the provincial government may guarantee repayment of loans made to feeder associations to finance the acquisition of livestock by the members of those feeder associations. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Commerce found that "these loan guarantees are countervailable subsidies to the extent that they lower the cost of borrowing within the meaning of section 771(5) of the Act [Tariff Act of 1930, as amended by the Uruguay Round Agreement Act].

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada has compiled a list of measures implemented by the Canadian government that provided the Canadian cattle industry with financial assistance while the government worked to reopen borders and restore market operations. This assistance included:

* SE Recovery Program: Total program funding was $520 million. "The program helped to keep the domestic market moving and provided improved returns to feedlots and processors in light of severely depressed prices."

* Work Sharing Program: Agreements valued at more than $9.4 million were signed with two Canadian meat packers to assist them in overcoming the financial problems associated with BSE.

* Producer Assistance 2003: The Government of Canada advanced business risk management funding to certain producers.

* Canadian Agricultural Income Stabilization (CAIS) program: The program is intended to assist producers who experienced a loss of income as a result of BSE and other factors, helping producers protect their farming operations from both small and large drops in income.

* Cull Animal Program: Total funding for this program is expected to be $200 million. It was intended to allow payment to producers for cull animals prior to slaughter.

* Transitional Industry Support Program: The Government of Canada announced $930 million for this program that included direct payments to producers of cattle and other ruminant animals.

* Provision of the Income Tax Act: The Canada Revenue Agency was given authority to cancel or waive penalties and interest to those unable to meet their obligations due to extraordinary circumstances, including BSE.

"The Canadian government is supporting its live cattle industry in ways we never dreamed of here in the United States, just so they may maintain access to our over-supplied marketplace," observed R-CALF USA President/Region VI Director Max Thornsberry. "Does USDA intend to let Canada become the 51st state?"

kato,do you see something there that aint a fact ?
good luck
 
I usually stay out of this type of conversation but I am pissed at the world tonight and being a bit on the bitchy side I started a rant for a couple of minutes.

Wrote a long and factual note about the actual misrepresentation of the facts in this release and deleted it all.

KATO - back on the bench - not worth it.

The elephant sneezes and Canada gets the flu. The old fart - and a good many like him - is quite happy to think you grow rich on subsidy money rather than surviving on peanuts.

Meanwhile many of his buddies across the country and maybe even him - sit on their asses and get paid government money to look at their land.

I bet that one alone - nation wide in the US of A exceeds the Canadian ag budget - or comes darned close to it.

But this is not a subsidy.

Time to drop this one in the bucket and get back to the grindstone. Find another market and remember who your friends are / are not.

Regards

BC
 
Canada's WTO COOL Complaint Hypocritical in Light of Millions in Subsidies to Its Domestic Cattle Industry

January 28, 2010 Washington, D.C. – In a letter sent today to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), R-CALF USA explained that although Canada claims as an entitlement access to the U.S. market for its cattle and beef without country-of-origin labeling (COOL), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle and beef sector in order to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market.

"We believe Canada's subsidies on beef and cattle constitute an artificial propping-up of a Canadian cattle industry that is unsustainable at its present size but for those government subsidies, and further we believe that Canada's subsidies are inconsistent with the very World Trade Organization (WTO) agreements that Canada claims the U.S. has violated vis-à-vis COOL," explained R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard.

"USTR and USDA should not tolerate the Government of Canada's ongoing practice of using the Canadian treasury to manipulate the U.S. cattle market by subsidizing Canadian cattle supplies and beef production at levels above what a competitive market can support. This practice is particularly appalling given the Government of Canada is trying to undermine the United States' constitutionally passed COOL law – which is widely supported by U.S. cattle producers and consumers – while simultaneously using its treasury to out-compete independent U.S. cattle producers, whose prices are depressed because Canada is unjustly and artificially propping-up its cattle supplies beyond what the available market can bear…" the letter states, in part.

The letter encourages USTR and USDA to review the Canadian subsidies (a partial list is below), which are designed to anticompetitively penetrate the U.S. market and simultaneously undermine the United States' pro-competition COOL law. R-CALF USA believes the Canadian subsidies not only negate any standing that Canada may have at the WTO to file a complaint against our domestic COOL law, but also, that these subsidies warrant immediate corrective action by USTR and USDA to protect the hundreds of thousands of remaining independent U.S. cattle produces whose markets are being severely depressed by Canada's artificial maintenance of excessive cattle supplies.

"Despite the worldwide reduction in demand for Canadian cattle and beef due to its significant problems with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), Canada continues to subsidize its cattle industry, thereby promoting excessive cattle supplies that must be unloaded or dumped into export markets," Bullard pointed out. "Canada is particularly reliant on the U.S. market to unload or dump its excess supplies and Canada is now trying to further penetrate the U.S. market by destroying COOL – an action that would allow Canada to effectively hide from U.S. consumers the origin of beef derived from Canadian cattle."

Examples of Canada's subsidies on cattle and beef include:

* BSE Recovery Loans: Through March 31, 2008, the Manitoba Agricultural Services Corporation (MASC) provided "BSE Recovery Loans" to Manitoba cattle producers that experienced financial hardships due to BSE. The MASC states "Even now, after most disputes have subsided and the borders have reopened, Manitoba producers still suffer through the disease's financial aftershocks." The BSE Recovery Loans were divided into two parts, with interest on Part 1 loans set at 3.25 percent and lower, and interest on Part 2 loans set at 1.5 percent below MASC's prevailing one-year rate. Beginning Feb. 21, 2008, the MASC granted a 3-year deferral on principal payments for Part 2 BSE Recovery Loans, thereby making these loans an ongoing subsidy.
Loans. These are loans. They are to be repaid. The interest on these loans is still being charged, and is not that different from commercial rates.

* Stocker Loans: The MASC also provides guaranteed "Stocker Loans" to Canadian cattle producers for the purchase of steer calves, heifer calves, and feeder cows, as well as for cash advances to producers that already own stocker animals. The MASC explains that these loans are intended to address fluctuations in international livestock markets: "Manitoba's livestock producers raise some of Canada's best beef cattle, but fluctuations in international livestock markets can cause even the best producers to experience temporary cash flow problems." The maximum guarantee for these Stocker Loans is $250,000 with interest set at a one-year term rate.
LOANS. These are loans. They are to be repaid. When these cattle are sold, every penny that comes from the sale goes back to the government first, and the entire loan is paid back before the producer ever sees a cent.

* Alberta Feeder Association Guarantee Programs: Under the Inspection/Investigation Branch, Regulatory Services Division, Alberta Agriculture and Rural Development, the provincial government may guarantee repayment of loans made to feeder associations to finance the acquisition of livestock by the members of those feeder associations. In 1999, the U.S. Department of Commerce found that "these loan guarantees are countervailable subsidies to the extent that they lower the cost of borrowing within the meaning of section 771(5) of the Act [Tariff Act of 1930, as amended by the Uruguay Round Agreement Act].
LOANS. AKA DEBT. The fact is that when a feeder association is set up, the members contribute a percentage of the value of their cattle to a fund that is held in trust in case someone defaults on a loan. If someone comes up short, their deposit is used to cover it. If that is not enough, the deposits of the other members kick in to cover it. The government guarantee is to cover any shortfall after that. BTW, the government has not had to pay out any money yet as far as I have heard.

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada has compiled a list of measures implemented by the Canadian government that provided the Canadian cattle industry with financial assistance while the government worked to reopen borders and restore market operations. This assistance included:

* SE Recovery Program: Total program funding was $520 million. "The program helped to keep the domestic market moving and provided improved returns to feedlots and processors in light of severely depressed prices."
Never heard of it

* Work Sharing Program: Agreements valued at more than $9.4 million were signed with two Canadian meat packers to assist them in overcoming the financial problems associated with BSE.
Canadian cattle producers saw nothing of this, in fact a bunch of it probably made it's way to Cargill's head office in the U.S.

* Producer Assistance 2003: The Government of Canada advanced business risk management funding to certain producers.
Canada's risk management programs were designed from the start to be neutral according to WTO standards, exactly for the reason we are reading in this piece of nonsense.

* Canadian Agricultural Income Stabilization (CAIS) program: The program is intended to assist producers who experienced a loss of income as a result of BSE and other factors, helping producers protect their farming operations from both small and large drops in income.

CAIS is a joke. It was designed to fail, in order that the public got the impression our government was standing behind us, when in fact they do not. This is a margin based program that pays a percentage of the average of past years. 70% of nothing is still nothing.

* Cull Animal Program: Total funding for this program is expected to be $200 million. It was intended to allow payment to producers for cull animals prior to slaughter.
Didn't get a cent.

* Transitional Industry Support Program: The Government of Canada announced $930 million for this program that included direct payments to producers of cattle and other ruminant animals.
This was a big one. I think it kept us in groceries for a couple of weeks.

* Provision of the Income Tax Act: The Canada Revenue Agency was given authority to cancel or waive penalties and interest to those unable to meet their obligations due to extraordinary circumstances, including BSE.
Big whoop. No penalties and interest on unpaid income taxes from people who have no income. You'd have to look a long long way to find anyone who this applied to.

"The Canadian government is supporting its live cattle industry in ways we never dreamed of here in the United States, just so they may maintain access to our over-supplied marketplace," observed R-CALF USA President/Region VI Director Max Thornsberry. "Does USDA intend to let Canada become the 51st state?"

These are desperate lobbyists who are trying to justify their existence. That's all this is. MCOOL did what we said all along it would do, which is to kill us off, while not doing a thing for American cattlemen, and there's a serious case of sour grapes going on here.

But of course, Canadian cattle producers are not the enemy. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
But -But-But Kato-- I thought all things were hunky dory with the cattle business in Canada...Isn't that what your cattlemen groups ABP/CCA have been telling your government folks? Didn't they tell the "Competition Review Board" that the monopoly ownership of the majority of feeding, sale barn, and packing interests Nillson Brothers have in Canada is plumb good- and never objected to it....

Things must be doing great when one of ABP's biggest worries is shown when this is one of the important resolutions that were passed at their annual meeting "Be it resolved that ABP educate cattlemen and beef producers on the importance of supporting ABP with their checkoff dollars so that the Alberta Government or other groups won't have a reason to implement mandatory checkoff to support ALMA"...

Sounds to me like your guys ABP/CCA- that are french kissing bed buddies of the US NCBA- and which all want total control of checkoff dollars-- have you well taken care of... :wink:
 
Hey Kato,

Dont read too much into it, I have said this before on another post, that after seeing Bullards lack luster attempt to tell the New Mexico Cattle Growers Assoc why we should continue to be affliated with RCALF. HIS attitude turned alot of folks away, so I really think this is his attempt to wag the dog and get some more money in RCALFS coffers.
 
HAY MAKER said:
What is the interest rate/term on these loans ?
good luck

Haymaker, for a period of about ten years we were members of our local feeder and breeder assns. I was president of the bred heifer co-op for four years and for half of the total time we were the biggest account in the assn. We finally came to the realization that money could be borrowed cheaper from the bank with no risk of losing our deposits (10% of total borrowed) because of another member defaulting on their loan.
The int. was 1% over prime plus 1.5% admin fees plus .5% for insurance on cattle with a $1000.00 deductable for a total of 3% over prime. We now have money borrowed at 1 and 1.35% over prime from the bank and do not have to deal with a so-called supervisor that collected his 3/4% paycheque and never did his job until I raised enough cain that he half-heartedly complied.

Did we receive subsidies? Yes, but not nearly enough to match what we lost because of a depressed market. Try selling loads of cull cows for $120 to $140 and 60 to 90 cent calves for 5 or 6 years in a row and see what it does to your bottom line.

Have we survived? Yes, but only because we don't spend much on ourselves and we had assets to borrow against. We definately were better off financially and regulatory before May 20 2003 than we are now.
 
Never met a Government loan that didn't have some sort of greater cost than a private lender in terms of interest and how big the retrieval stick is. This business has not been much fun since 2003 and dealing with a group of Washington Lawyer controlled zombies hasn't added to the joy. If it wasn't for the challenge of being the last one standing many of us would be sitting on the sidelines.
 
Well for many years the Canadian cattle man partnered with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market and never gave a minutes thought about the folks that they were helping the packers break and ruin.
Then things changed, along come R Calf and BSE and now M Cool all of a sudden folks like Kato start hollerin about being mistreated by the US,fact of the matter is if it was'nt for BSE and R Calf it would be buisness as usual in Canada and to hell with the yankee bastards eh ?
That's a bonafide fact Kato, and you know it.
I will say one thing tho,personally I think R calf spends way too much time looking north.
They now need to look south and concentrate on fine tuning M Cool and taking over the checkoff,its about time the US cattleman used his checkoff dollars to promote his beef.
I find it interestin you never hear anything about R calf and the beef check off.
good luck
 
Haymaker I would agree with you on the fact that the checkoff needs to be run as a seperate organization with no ties to either NCBA or RCALF or any other assocation other than if they are contracted for promotional work. Changing RCALF for NCBA is just giving the hen to the coyote instead of the fox.
 
HAY MAKER said:
Well for many years the Canadian cattle man partnered with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market and never gave a minutes thought about the folks that they were helping the packers break and ruin.
Then things changed, along come R Calf and BSE and now M Cool all of a sudden folks like Kato start hollerin about being mistreated by the US,fact of the matter is if it was'nt for BSE and R Calf it would be buisness as usual in Canada and to hell with the yankee bastards eh ?
That's a bonafide fact Kato, and you know it.

good luck


Like 95% of other cattle producers no matter what country all I have done is try to keep afloat and do a little growing on my own. While some folks both sides of the Medicine Line do have a little small-mindedness in their make-up I doubt you could put everyone in the same boat.

As far as any harm done to the US, your government is doing a lot more damage to it's own people than a little bunch of Canadian cowboys can ever do. :wink:
 
gcreekrch said:
HAY MAKER said:
Well for many years the Canadian cattle man partnered with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market and never gave a minutes thought about the folks that they were helping the packers break and ruin.
Then things changed, along come R Calf and BSE and now M Cool all of a sudden folks like Kato start hollerin about being mistreated by the US,fact of the matter is if it was'nt for BSE and R Calf it would be buisness as usual in Canada and to hell with the yankee bastards eh ?
That's a bonafide fact Kato, and you know it.

good luck


Like 95% of other cattle producers no matter what country all I have done is try to keep afloat and do a little growing on my own. While some folks both sides of the Medicine Line do have a little small-mindedness in their make-up I doubt you could put everyone in the same boat.

As far as any harm done to the US, your government is doing a lot more damage to it's own people than a little bunch of Canadian cowboys can ever do. :wink:

I agree I dont fault the canadian cattleman for doing whatever to get top dollar for his product............hell who would'nt,thats why the Katos of the world arent taken seriously,I do get a kick outa her rants tho...........she gets on her soap box and just raises hell about how the mean ole US cattleman is breakin her.....................as if she would'nt and has'nt done the same thing :D :D
good luck
 
Talk about ranting!

I think the boys at Ranchers Caring About Lawyer's Finances have that down to an art. The conclusions they draw are such a reach that I don't think we could come close to their level no matter how hard we try. They've done more to partner with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market than we could ever do. They walked right in there and set up a perfect evironment for those same packers to thrive and grow even stronger.

What do you think restricted Canadian cattle imports does? It drops our live cattle prices, forces us to sell even cheaper to the packers here (half of whom are American), so they can sell unrestricted beef into the U.S. with no penalties, and causes the loss of thousands of jobs in your meat packing industry during the worst recession since the Great Depression.

You are getting just as much Canadian beef in your system as you ever have. That has not changed. It will not change, especially now. There is too much money being made by those same multinationals for it to change.

At least when you were processing those Canadian cattle in your country, your economy got the benefit of the value added money.

That's a bonafide fact Haymaker, and you know it.

Good luck.

:D

Sometimes you just gotta stir the pot. :wink: :wink: :wink: :D
 
You're right, Kato, R-CALF hates Canadian producers and wants all of them to go out of business. R-CALF knows that your goverment and the packers have no responsibility at all - the anti-competitive pro-mega packer environment is solely the responsibilty of Canadian producers and R-CALF knows that if they can cut your heads off, everything will get better. All of R-CALF's actions are CLEARLY, CLEARLY aimed at putting Canadian producers out of business and NOTHING ELSE!

:roll:
 
Sandhusker said:
You're right, Kato, R-CALF hates Canadian producers and wants all of them to go out of business. R-CALF knows that your goverment and the packers have no responsibility at all - the anti-competitive pro-mega packer environment is solely the responsibilty of Canadian producers and R-CALF knows that if they can cut your heads off, everything will get better. All of R-CALF's actions are CLEARLY, CLEARLY aimed at putting Canadian producers out of business and NOTHING ELSE!

:roll:

sandy musta got religion. He finally spoke a bit of truth.
 
to answer the question: no the idiocy will never end. america is weakening economically and there will be lots of victims and the blame will be put everywhere except where it belongs - the usa.
 
Kato said:
Talk about ranting!

I think the boys at Ranchers Caring About Lawyer's Finances have that down to an art. The conclusions they draw are such a reach that I don't think we could come close to their level no matter how hard we try. They've done more to partner with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market than we could ever do. They walked right in there and set up a perfect evironment for those same packers to thrive and grow even stronger.

What do you think restricted Canadian cattle imports does? It drops our live cattle prices, forces us to sell even cheaper to the packers here (half of whom are American), so they can sell unrestricted beef into the U.S. with no penalties, and causes the loss of thousands of jobs in your meat packing industry during the worst recession since the Great Depression.

You are getting just as much Canadian beef in your system as you ever have. That has not changed. It will not change, especially now. There is too much money being made by those same multinationals for it to change.
At least when you were processing those Canadian cattle in your country, your economy got the benefit of the value added money.

That's a bonafide fact Haymaker, and you know it.

Good luck.

:D

Sometimes you just gotta stir the pot. :wink: :wink: :wink: :D

hhmmmmmm you're an optimistic little devil aint you,to bad you dont use some of that optimism in your beef products,quit fightin M Cool,work positive,the US consumer wants to know where their beef is coming from period.
And the US cattleman wants his checkoff dollars spent advertising his product not yours or mexicos or argentinas.
I dont see why you folks dont accept that fact and work M Cool into your marketing plans.
I truthfully would like and have said before give me M COOL and the checkoff run fairly and as far as I am concerned you could open the border wide open let any and every head of beef cattle Canada wants exported in the US...........but give me M COOL and let my checkoff dollars hawk my beef .
good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
Kato said:
Talk about ranting!

I think the boys at Ranchers Caring About Lawyer's Finances have that down to an art. The conclusions they draw are such a reach that I don't think we could come close to their level no matter how hard we try. They've done more to partner with meat packers to create captive supply that put downward pressure on the US market than we could ever do. They walked right in there and set up a perfect evironment for those same packers to thrive and grow even stronger.

What do you think restricted Canadian cattle imports does? It drops our live cattle prices, forces us to sell even cheaper to the packers here (half of whom are American), so they can sell unrestricted beef into the U.S. with no penalties, and causes the loss of thousands of jobs in your meat packing industry during the worst recession since the Great Depression.

You are getting just as much Canadian beef in your system as you ever have. That has not changed. It will not change, especially now. There is too much money being made by those same multinationals for it to change.
At least when you were processing those Canadian cattle in your country, your economy got the benefit of the value added money.

That's a bonafide fact Haymaker, and you know it.

Good luck.

:D

Sometimes you just gotta stir the pot. :wink: :wink: :wink: :D

hhmmmmmm you're an optimistic little devil aint you,to bad you dont use some of that optimism in your beef products,quit fightin M Cool,work positive,the US consumer wants to know where their beef is coming from period.
And the US cattleman wants his checkoff dollars spent advertising his product not yours or mexicos or argentinas.
I dont see why you folks dont accept that fact and work M Cool into your marketing plans.
I truthfully would like and have said before give me M COOL and the checkoff run fairly and as far as I am concerned you could open the border wide open let any and every head of beef cattle Canada wants exported in the US...........but give me M COOL and let my checkoff dollars hawk my beef .
good luck

AMEN- Haymaker....
 

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