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[hopalong]

No oldtimer does not understand that.

Almost $42000 per day of wasted money is fine as long as he gets his!!
I cannot find it but somewhere there is a post of his bragging about his leases and how he is getting a deal!!! BUt you know how he lies so take it with a grain of salt

 

[Lonecowboy]

Without them a large portion of this sparcely populated state would be without any forms of transportation that connect to the outside world...Particularly tough on seniors and the elderly that don't drive- but need to access the medical centers outside the area....

"without any forms of transportation"

-- woopsey, wouldn't the truth be public transportation? and you forgot to mention the bus and friends and neighbors and family and the guy down the street that just wants to make a few bucks. you don't need a CDL or permitt or any kind of special equipment to give someone a ride---- YET! but if you statists have your way we will. :shock:

if there is a need, the private sector will and should cover it.

What bus company travels across NE MT/Hi Line?

So do you believe we should keep the "local/community bus/transit" subsidies?

Do you think we should also drop Alaska's special air subsidy, since they have much of the state only accessible by airplane- or boat ?

Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, defended the program Wednesday when its elimination came up at the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. Essential Air Service "is essential for a reason," Young said. "It's a means of survival and it is very important to our state."

Yes I think the federal Govt. should quit spending $ on all but the 18 enumerated powers granted to it by the Constitution. One of which is to secure our borders and keep us free of invasion. How much $ would that save. We are not just broke we are Barack Obama Broke!
SS, Medicare,etc. programs that they specifically confiscated our $ to fund in a "special account" for us needs to be carried through on for 1 generation, the rest of us should get to opt out. As far as Alaska and all that you mentioned, look at the people that settled Alaska, they survived against all odds by their sheer guts and determination, they know how to survive. What do we need a Constitution for if people like you condone ignoring it? Well better put is people like you are the reason we need a Constitution and should follow the one we have!
And don't try and put on some ignoramous act and try to say any of this is Constitutional- it isn't plain and simple, end of story! Have a good day!

 

[redrobin]

But as this article points out- neither party has been able to step up and do anything for years... In my opinion is because Congress for years has been made up of very few statesmen- and entirely of partisan politicians who would rather spend their time pocketing lobbyiests money.....

I agree that neither party has been able to cut spending. Why should we give them any more credit? Take the money away and they have to cut spending or default. They aren't stupid enough to default so we get a forced reduction in the size and scope of the federal govt. Something I'd think you would be for because of your stated beliefs.

 

[Anonymous]

No oldtimer does not understand that.

Almost $42000 per day of wasted money is fine as long as he gets his!!
I cannot find it but somewhere there is a post of his bragging about his leases and how he is getting a deal!!! BUt you know how he lies so take it with a grain of salt

I have NO government leases.....

The only thing I can think of- that is close to what you are trying to accuse me of and attack me with is that I and my son OWN deeded land (thats been in the family since the 30's) that is in the center of a 4,000-5,000 acre multi ownership (deeded,county, state, BLM) multi user pasture- and for that deeded land the local Grazing Assn allots me so many AUM's... NO government lease-- NO contact with the government except for the fact that the BLM polices some of these grazing district pastures...

 

[Anonymous]

But as this article points out- neither party has been able to step up and do anything for years... In my opinion is because Congress for years has been made up of very few statesmen- and entirely of partisan politicians who would rather spend their time pocketing lobbyiests money.....

I agree that neither party has been able to cut spending. Why should we give them any more credit? Take the money away and they have to cut spending or default. They aren't stupid enough to default so we get a forced reduction in the size and scope of the federal govt. Something I'd think you would be for because of your stated beliefs.

But at what economic impact to some communities, states and the country as a whole...
In doing so DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER!!

Rather than a last second dump the water action- these cuts should have been being done for years--BUT as the one article points out- both cults Congressional members are so aligned along partisan lines- and tied to protecting their lobbyiests pocketbooks some of these last second cuts/actions could be harmful to the economy/country in the long run -- And the pure pork ones like the majority of the Farm/Ranch subsidies will continue to survive..

 

[hopalong]

Yep oldwhiner!!

You expect us to believe you????
After all you are getting $1000 for cull cows!!!!

Give it up old man you area as phony as Nancy Pelosie by the way have you checked to see if her aides has his zipper up


EH ????? Can i lease you MONTANA my 3 planes for 42000 a day including pilot MAke me rich

 

[redrobin]

But as this article points out- neither party has been able to step up and do anything for years... In my opinion is because Congress for years has been made up of very few statesmen- and entirely of partisan politicians who would rather spend their time pocketing lobbyiests money.....

I agree that neither party has been able to cut spending. Why should we give them any more credit? Take the money away and they have to cut spending or default. They aren't stupid enough to default so we get a forced reduction in the size and scope of the federal govt. Something I'd think you would be for because of your stated beliefs.

But at what economic impact to some communities, states and the countries as a whole...
.

OBVIOUSLY there is an economic impact and it'll be a positive one. WE'RE BROKE! If we quit spending more than we're making and paying excessive amounts of interest on our debt assuming we ever reverse the trend and not just stop the increase, it'll benifit your grandkids tremendously. Otherwise, it'll be like greece and they won't have much of a country to live in.

 

[Anonymous]

Yep oldwhiner!!

You expect us to believe you????
After all you are getting $1000 for cull cows!!!!

Give it up old man you area as phony as Nancy Pelosie by the way have you checked to see if her aides has his zipper up


EH ????? Can i lease you MONTANA my 3 planes for 42000 a day including pilot MAke me rich

Actually you're wrong again there too Hoppy-- some are bringing above $1100 this week! :lol:

http://www.milescitylivestock.com/2011%20Market%20Reports/07.12.11.html

 

[Whitewing]

Tell your old folks when they get older and sick to move closer to their medical provider. It's not the federal govt.'s responsibility to fund their transportation.

But we should build Bridges to Nowhere in Alaska :???:

unless you were drinking you know I never said we should.

You missed the point again- WHOOSH- right over the head... :roll: :wink:

I didn't miss your point. You showed sympathy to the folks in Mt who would be without any transportation which is rediculious. I addressed that issue.

What I'm trying to impart is the difficulty in picking and choosing entire programs to fund/defund... What is Pork to some- is considered essential to others.....You will not find a politician in Montana (that wants to be reelected) that would come out opposing either of these programs....To do so would be political suicide...

I'm not interested in politicians committing political suicide. They weren't elected to try to remain in office. If your politicians are worried about that you need new politicians. We've over spent. We have to stop. It looks as though our resident libertarian, independent has turned into a welfare queen.

:lol: That was brutal, but fun to read.

 

[hopalong]

You will find that all the MT Congressional delegation (members of both cults)- and a large part of the states population fought to save these two... Without them a large portion of this sparcely populated state would be without any forms of transportation that connect to the outside world...Particularly tough on seniors and the elderly that don't drive- but need to access the medical centers outside the area....

At a cost of $41095 perday????????????????? :???: that is for essential air service alone!!


Population of 987689 in 2009

$$$$41000 per day oldtimer will buy a bunch of cars to care for 5% of the population in MONTANA that need them for transportation to and from!!!!!

Yep oldtimer likes to spend everyone's money as long as it is not HIS..

EH oldtimer???

U}OH VEY caught in another web of deceit

And you can't seem to understand- Amtrak not only effects MT but almost every state... And if the trains don't run thru MT/Dakotas (northern route) it cuts train access to the entire northern half of the country in two...

Amtrak only runs 65% full 90% of the time, and you still have to get people to the station,

As far as I can tell Essential Air Service affects 34 states (not including Alaska and Hawaii, that have special programs) and Puerto Rico....

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/x-50%20role_files/NonAlaska010110.pdf

While much of this may not be necessary in some areas- and may be waste/pork (like the subsidizing of extra D.C. flights)--- in other areas the negative economic effect to the country may far override the cost it now is costing the country....But last minute picking and choosing (thru lobbying, politicking and stuffing politicians pockets) is not the way to make that decision....

Tell me why Alaska and Hawaii are more important than Montana?

Personally I've never rode Amtrak- and its been 20 years since someone in the family has...And I've never flown out of a subsidized airport- altho my wife has used the local airlines quite a few times for her continued training and work - and has a reliance on it when their medical equipment needs maintenance and the company (like G.E.) flys someone in from California or Texas to fix it... Also many of the doctor specialists use it to hold rural clinics...

How rural?? Need a p;ace to put a plane down

Do those people that fix the equipment get paid? If so why do they need to fly on a government subsidized plane?

But since you want to personalize it to me- it doesn't really effect me- as the only use I've had is to fly the grandkids back to their parents this winter when they came to visit for Christmas- and the weather was not compatable to ground travel...

couldn't have waited for better weather???

This is the type of issue that should be put to a special commission (similar to the Base closure commissions) that decide what to cut by need and economic return- and the Congress just says Yea or Nay...

Get rid of them, period!! If private sector can't support it's self get out of business!!!

 

[loomixguy]

At a cost of $41095 perday????????????????? :???: that is for essential air service alone!!


Population of 987689 in 2009

$$$$41000 per day oldtimer will buy a bunch of cars to care for 5% of the population in MONTANA that need them for transportation to and from!!!!!

Yep oldtimer likes to spend everyone's money as long as it is not HIS..

EH oldtimer???

U}OH VEY caught in another web of deceit

And you can't seem to understand- Amtrak not only effects MT but almost every state... And if the trains don't run thru MT/Dakotas (northern route) it cuts train access to the entire northern half of the country in two...

Amtrak only runs 65% full 90% of the time, and you still have to get people to the station,

As far as I can tell Essential Air Service affects 34 states (not including Alaska and Hawaii, that have special programs) and Puerto Rico....

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/x-50%20role_files/NonAlaska010110.pdf

While much of this may not be necessary in some areas- and may be waste/pork (like the subsidizing of extra D.C. flights)--- in other areas the negative economic effect to the country may far override the cost it now is costing the country....But last minute picking and choosing (thru lobbying, politicking and stuffing politicians pockets) is not the way to make that decision....

Tell me why Alaska and Hawaii are more important than Montana?

Personally I've never rode Amtrak- and its been 20 years since someone in the family has...And I've never flown out of a subsidized airport- altho my wife has used the local airlines quite a few times for her continued training and work - and has a reliance on it when their medical equipment needs maintenance and the company (like G.E.) flys someone in from California or Texas to fix it... Also many of the doctor specialists use it to hold rural clinics...

How rural?? Need a p;ace to put a plane down

Do those people that fix the equipment get paid? If so why do they need to fly on a government subsidized plane?

But since you want to personalize it to me- it doesn't really effect me- as the only use I've had is to fly the grandkids back to their parents this winter when they came to visit for Christmas- and the weather was not compatable to ground travel...

couldn't have waited for better weather???

This is the type of issue that should be put to a special commission (similar to the Base closure commissions) that decide what to cut by need and economic return- and the Congress just says Yea or Nay...

Get rid of them, period!! If private sector can't support it's self get out of business!!!

AMEN!!

 

[jingo2]

OT.....WHY do you even bother???

 

[Larrry]

OT.....WHY do you even bother???

I agree, you would think he would catch on and get tired of making a fool of himself.

 

[Steve]

Amtrak Subsidies. $1.565 billion annual savings.
Essential Air Service. $150 million annual savings.

You will find that all the MT Congressional delegation (members of both cults)- and a large part of the states population fought to save these two... Without them a large portion of this sparcely populated state would be without any forms of transportation that connect to the outside world...Particularly tough on seniors and the elderly that don't drive- but need to access the medical centers outside the area....

essential air services has been nice to our local airports as well,.. I am not sure of the exact totals but we just received a chunk of money to resurface an extend our runway at the Cape May airport, and I am not sure of the others but I know Woodbine airport, Ocean city and Millville airports all had their hands in the Till....

the three airports in our county are about ten minutes by plane and about twenty by car..

and in a forty five minute flight lesson you can do two full loops of bump and go landing/takeoffs in all three... :lol:

so maybe once the essential air is on the block.. we can see what is really needed.

 

[Steve]

MD Hagerstown 06-25228 Cape Air BWI $1,570,417 2009-8-16 9/31/2010 C-402 9

$1,570,417

I doubt that anyone could defend this one...

GA Athens 02-11348 Pacific Wings ATL $1,051,386 2008-5-43 9/30/2010 C-208B 9
1 Macon 07-28671 Pacific Wings ATL $1,386,306 2008-5-43 9/30/2010 C-208B 9

or this one...

IL Decatur 06-23929 Great Lakes STL $1,350,256 2009-10-13 9/30/2010 B-1900 19
1 Marion/Herrin 00-7881 Cape Air MCI/STL $2,188,167 2009-10-13 11/30/2011 B-1900 19

and I figured out why we get so much for Cape May's little airport...

must be all the planes that are getting refurbished there from Cape Air..

 

[hopalong]

OT.....WHY do you even bother???

I agree, you would think he would catch on and get tired of making a fool of himself.

Kinda like kolo=jingo=lulu=allie does every time SHE shows up

 

[Larrry]

MD Hagerstown 06-25228 Cape Air BWI $1,570,417 2009-8-16 9/31/2010 C-402 9

$1,570,417

I doubt that anyone could defend this one...

GA Athens 02-11348 Pacific Wings ATL $1,051,386 2008-5-43 9/30/2010 C-208B 9
1 Macon 07-28671 Pacific Wings ATL $1,386,306 2008-5-43 9/30/2010 C-208B 9

or this one...

IL Decatur 06-23929 Great Lakes STL $1,350,256 2009-10-13 9/30/2010 B-1900 19
1 Marion/Herrin 00-7881 Cape Air MCI/STL $2,188,167 2009-10-13 11/30/2011 B-1900 19

and I figured out why we get so much for Cape May's little airport...

must be all the planes that are getting refurbished there from Cape Air..

I guess if those people thought they were the only ones that mattered like some duck from MT thinks they will support they will support their own little boonswaggle. Every body but me attitude

 

[beethoven]

did a wee search and came up with a couple of pages, more of the same. information availability for things like this is very easy for the finding in usa. in canada not so much.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20110710/NEWS01/707109937/1031357#ops-buys-8-000-diversity-manuals


http://www.traditionalvalues.org/content/Press%20Releases/31645/NIH%20Wastes%20Millions%20on%20Bizarre

 

[Anonymous]

Breaking News Alert: Post-ABC News poll: Obama, Republicans viewed as not willing enough to compromise on debt ceiling
July 19, 2011 6:21:25 PM
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Majorities of Americans see both President Obama and congressional
Republicans as not being willing enough to compromise in their stalemated
budget negotiations, but the public sees the GOP leaders as particularly
intransigent, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

There is also growing dissatisfaction among Republicans with the hard-line
stance of their congressional representatives: 58 percent now say their
leaders are not doing enough to strike a deal, up from 42 percent in March.

 

[hypocritexposer]

Breaking News Alert: Post-ABC News poll: Obama, Republicans viewed as not willing enough to compromise on debt ceiling
July 19, 2011 6:21:25 PM
----------------------------------------

Majorities of Americans see both President Obama and congressional
Republicans as not being willing enough to compromise in their stalemated
budget negotiations, but the public sees the GOP leaders as particularly
intransigent, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

There is also growing dissatisfaction among Republicans with the hard-line
stance of their congressional representatives: 58 percent now say their
leaders are not doing enough to strike a deal, up from 42 percent in March.

only 24% of those polled were Republican.....