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Murgen said:
Lost exports will cost approximately $100 per head per year.
Murgen said:Once the trial begins all the BS from R-Calf and their beef loving bed-fellows will be replayed in the news. Only then will we all realize and suffer the cost of their misstatements and those of their alliance. Unfortunately, no matter the outcome of the trial the damage will be done.
Not sure how it works in the US, but can they withdraw their challenge of the rule? Better to save face then to be ridiculed later!
And how will lost export markets for the next seven years affect the markets? That is what RCALF has said should be done with a BSE herd right, no exports for 7 years, from last known case?
PORKER said:$100 is way too much to lose. Better to test for export or as old Ranchers poster says NO TEST NO SALE and ship meat and bse records via www.scoringag.com .Best traceback records in the world an perferred to prove Point-to-Point source verification.
$100 is way too much to lose. Better to test for export or as old Ranchers poster says NO TEST NO SALE and ship meat and bse records via www.scoringag.com .Best traceback records in the world an perferred to prove Point-to-Point source verification.
agman said:Murgen said:Once the trial begins all the BS from R-Calf and their beef loving bed-fellows will be replayed in the news. Only then will we all realize and suffer the cost of their misstatements and those of their alliance. Unfortunately, no matter the outcome of the trial the damage will be done.
Not sure how it works in the US, but can they withdraw their challenge of the rule? Better to save face then to be ridiculed later!
And how will lost export markets for the next seven years affect the markets? That is what RCALF has said should be done with a BSE herd right, no exports for 7 years, from last known case?
Lost exports will cost approximately $100 per head per year.
They also got horse records at www.scoringhorses.com
agman said:PORKER said:$100 is way too much to lose. Better to test for export or as old Ranchers poster says NO TEST NO SALE and ship meat and bse records via www.scoringag.com .Best traceback records in the world an perferred to prove Point-to-Point source verification.
Porker, it may come to full testing since the USDA and APHIS screwed things up so badly. However, I will remind you that there is no quarantee that Japan will accept our product if tested. If you are betting otherwise there is a good chance you may lose.
CattleCo said:I wonder how cocky the cow/calf boys will be when 5 wt calves get a 9 in front of them or maybe an 8? I cannot believe so many so called knowledgible folks in this industry think this market is "bullet proof"! I can tell you this.........when this market drops it will have little to do with supply. Iowa may look good in spots, but we are a LONG way from the crop in the bin. As for USDA if you believe all those big carryover numbers you will buy into anything. We have a fair amount of carryover, but it is not of the magnitude USDA is stating. Remember, we have a lot more things affecting this Cattle deal than SUPPLY! I predict we will see Canadian Beef promoted as the best and safest you can buy before this game plays out. I will also go out on a limb that mandatory BSE testing of all BEEF will happen....that will be a lot cheaper than Mandated Individual Food Animal ID. I will go out on another limb and say producer/premise ID and food animals tagged to reflect the place of origin may work so well we will NEVER see a government mandated Individual ID Program......All you private data WAREHOUSES THAT HAVE DOLLAR SIGNS IN YOUR EYES CAN CHEW ON THIS ONE OVER THE 4TH!!!
Have a great 4th and don't light a SHORT FUSE!!! :lol: :lol: :roll:
Mike said:agman said:Murgen said:Not sure how it works in the US, but can they withdraw their challenge of the rule? Better to save face then to be ridiculed later!
And how will lost export markets for the next seven years affect the markets? That is what RCALF has said should be done with a BSE herd right, no exports for 7 years, from last known case?
Lost exports will cost approximately $100 per head per year.
NCBA figures are $175 per head for last year.
Oldtimer said:agman said:PORKER said:$100 is way too much to lose. Better to test for export or as old Ranchers poster says NO TEST NO SALE and ship meat and bse records via www.scoringag.com .Best traceback records in the world an perferred to prove Point-to-Point source verification.
Porker, it may come to full testing since the USDA and APHIS screwed things up so badly. However, I will remind you that there is no quarantee that Japan will accept our product if tested. If you are betting otherwise there is a good chance you may lose.
Agman- Do you know anything about Itoham Foods out of Japan? CBC news had ran a story last week that Itoham was offering to pay all testing costs to the Canadians to begin importing beef. Ted Haney had admitted that a Canadian producer had applied for a testing permit- but that so far it hadn't been approved by the Canadian or Japanese government. The article said that they had previously offered to test US cattle and buy tested US beef, but had been turned down by the US.
My question is have you heard anything about these dealings? I haven't been able to find a print article......
agman said:Oldtimer said:agman said:Porker, it may come to full testing since the USDA and APHIS screwed things up so badly. However, I will remind you that there is no quarantee that Japan will accept our product if tested. If you are betting otherwise there is a good chance you may lose.
Agman- Do you know anything about Itoham Foods out of Japan? CBC news had ran a story last week that Itoham was offering to pay all testing costs to the Canadians to begin importing beef. Ted Haney had admitted that a Canadian producer had applied for a testing permit- but that so far it hadn't been approved by the Canadian or Japanese government. The article said that they had previously offered to test US cattle and buy tested US beef, but had been turned down by the US.
My question is have you heard anything about these dealings? I haven't been able to find a print article......
I do not know but have contacts that can fill me in on them in short order. I will get back with some information tomorrow.
PPRM said:Agman,
Haven't been in here much, statement on USDA was refreshing. When the first BSE was found, I thought they had handled it pretty well. But a lot doesn't make sense to me now. Same rules should apply whether it is in a box or not as far as age. That one never made sense. And I am not afraid of the safety of Canadian Beef. My statement has more to do with consistency of Policy.
When I read this post, it was funny, becase I had been thinkink about where my average sales price per head had been.The $93.00/ head drop is pretty close to what I think my average will be compared to last year. It was funny, I was talking to a freind about a video sale. I thionk he said he saw some mid-six weight calves for off the cow this fall go for over $1.40. My immediate response was I'd like to know who it is that can put 600-650 pounds on these cattle for $200, I felt I was being optimistic at putting $200 on them.
The calves I have bought this summer have been 550 lb Black/Black WF heifers coming in as singles. I have cutting horse guys that pasture them for free. Averaging about $1.15 on the cost for these,
I think looking at input options and doing a good job sorting the fats is what has helped me the most this year,
Well, enough of a ramble, hope you find good freinds, places and meals o be at this day,
PPRM
agman said:Oldtimer said:agman said:Porker, it may come to full testing since the USDA and APHIS screwed things up so badly. However, I will remind you that there is no quarantee that Japan will accept our product if tested. If you are betting otherwise there is a good chance you may lose.
Agman- Do you know anything about Itoham Foods out of Japan? CBC news had ran a story last week that Itoham was offering to pay all testing costs to the Canadians to begin importing beef. Ted Haney had admitted that a Canadian producer had applied for a testing permit- but that so far it hadn't been approved by the Canadian or Japanese government. The article said that they had previously offered to test US cattle and buy tested US beef, but had been turned down by the US.
My question is have you heard anything about these dealings? I haven't been able to find a print article......
I do not know but have contacts that can fill me in on them in short order. I will get back with some information tomorrow.
agman said:agman said:Oldtimer said:Agman- Do you know anything about Itoham Foods out of Japan? CBC news had ran a story last week that Itoham was offering to pay all testing costs to the Canadians to begin importing beef. Ted Haney had admitted that a Canadian producer had applied for a testing permit- but that so far it hadn't been approved by the Canadian or Japanese government. The article said that they had previously offered to test US cattle and buy tested US beef, but had been turned down by the US.
My question is have you heard anything about these dealings? I haven't been able to find a print article......
I do not know but have contacts that can fill me in on them in short order. I will get back with some information tomorrow.
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