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Bull Burger said:
Probably a violation under our EPA rules- Are you doing anything about it?
A little different than the R-Calf "Convention"?
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Probably a violation under our EPA rules- Are you doing anything about it?
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Question to you NCBA folk-- Is it true that NCBA membership now supports not allowing the USDA inspected stamp on imported beef? That they now believe the country of slaughter inspection stamp should remain with the beef thru retail sale ?
That is what I've been hearing-only saw it once in print as a proposal a while back...
Still wouldn't cover the live imports that are slaughtered in the US- but it would be a start.....Take care of the "stuff" coming from the Mexican plants where they can get any official to turn their head for a few pesos- same inspectors that moonlite on the streetcorner selling their "seesters" for a buck....
That is what I've been hearing-only saw it once in print as a proposal a while back...
Still wouldn't cover the live imports that are slaughtered in the US- but it would be a start.....Take care of the "stuff" coming from the Mexican plants where they can get any official to turn their head for a few pesos- same inspectors that moonlite on the streetcorner selling their "seesters" for a buck....
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Soapweed said:
You've got a point, man of the soap, but there would be a quality connection with the USA beef label. When R-CALF went to the CAFTA countries, they found drugs being commonly used that are banned up here. I'm sure the drugs were banned for a reason, most likely out of concern for the health of the consumer. A USA beef label would assure consumers that they're not eating beef containing drugs that are banned in the US.
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Promoting "USA RAISED BEEF" is the classic SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE position when 95% of the beef at the retail level would be "USA RAISED BEEF" but it makes import blamers feel like they actually accomplished something.
Even though I totally oppose the stupid "M"COOL law brought to us by the import blamers, I say Canadian and Mexican beef should be labeled at the retail counter. Not because I believe U.S. consumers would prefer U.S. beef, but to introduce the R-CULT isolationists to their own stupidity of making a novelty item out of foreign beef.
~SH~
Even though I totally oppose the stupid "M"COOL law brought to us by the import blamers, I say Canadian and Mexican beef should be labeled at the retail counter. Not because I believe U.S. consumers would prefer U.S. beef, but to introduce the R-CULT isolationists to their own stupidity of making a novelty item out of foreign beef.
~SH~
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Congratulations!
Your very first response to my posts today was a lie.
~SH~
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"Hanta Yo- I think someone has been feeding false info to you again ( maybe the packer backers at NCBA)... "
OT,
I meant to address this when you posted it but I had to leave for Denver. I'll address it now.
HB 406 was introduced by Bill Bergren (I don't think he'll be taking Conrad Burns' place anytime soon). FH, this bill goes into effect September of this year. One place I read Oct 1, moot point.
The way I understand this placard bill, OT, is that ALL producers in this state are permitted to label each individual portion, piece or package of grains, etc in a conspicuous place...in a manner that indicates to an ultimate purchaser that the product was produced in Montana.
Products that contain blending of foreign and domestic product that is produced in any country other than the US and offered for retail sale in MT must be labeled with a placard in a manner that indicates to an ultimate purchaser the country of origin.
If one of the products is unlabeled and the retail vendor is unable to determine its country of origin, the product must be labeled with a placard as country of origin unknown.
OT, N. Dak has a similar bill already in place, but there isn't the money there to enforce it so no one does it.
OT, I understand that most retail meat in Montana comes from a clearinghouse in ID, there may be others out there, but there is NO WAY the retailer can prove the meat is from the US of A so they will have to placard it Origin Unknown. With the penalties for placarding wrong, if I were a meat retailer, I would just placard it origin unknown just to cover my butt. Boy, If I was a shopper at the meat section and I read most of the placarding was origin unknown I would probably walk away without purchasing anything. The idea of the placard is a good thing, it needed some more work but Schweitzer wanted it pushed through AS IS and it did.[/b]
OT,
I meant to address this when you posted it but I had to leave for Denver. I'll address it now.
HB 406 was introduced by Bill Bergren (I don't think he'll be taking Conrad Burns' place anytime soon). FH, this bill goes into effect September of this year. One place I read Oct 1, moot point.
The way I understand this placard bill, OT, is that ALL producers in this state are permitted to label each individual portion, piece or package of grains, etc in a conspicuous place...in a manner that indicates to an ultimate purchaser that the product was produced in Montana.
Products that contain blending of foreign and domestic product that is produced in any country other than the US and offered for retail sale in MT must be labeled with a placard in a manner that indicates to an ultimate purchaser the country of origin.
If one of the products is unlabeled and the retail vendor is unable to determine its country of origin, the product must be labeled with a placard as country of origin unknown.
OT, N. Dak has a similar bill already in place, but there isn't the money there to enforce it so no one does it.
OT, I understand that most retail meat in Montana comes from a clearinghouse in ID, there may be others out there, but there is NO WAY the retailer can prove the meat is from the US of A so they will have to placard it Origin Unknown. With the penalties for placarding wrong, if I were a meat retailer, I would just placard it origin unknown just to cover my butt. Boy, If I was a shopper at the meat section and I read most of the placarding was origin unknown I would probably walk away without purchasing anything. The idea of the placard is a good thing, it needed some more work but Schweitzer wanted it pushed through AS IS and it did.[/b]
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montana cowgurl said:
Dadgum it, I thought I was signed in...sorry...MT Cowgurl didn't post this, Hanta Yo did.
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montana cowgurl said:
I want OT to read this
Hanta Yo said:
NE had the same problem with implementing laws on industry concentration that have to be implemented nationally to work. You can not have an enforced PSA in one state that is not enforced nationally. It will not work. Same thing with COOL. The concentration of the judicial relief to federal courts has lead to fewer judges having to be "bought off". The same thing has happened with class actions going to federal court. The republicans have packed these courts for their political contributors and revolving door cronies and lobbyists.
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SH, just a few days ago you said, "Consumers place far more emphasis on price than country of origin." Now you say, "Even though I totally oppose the stupid "M"COOL law brought to us by the import blamers, I say Canadian and Mexican beef should be labeled at the retail counter. Not because I believe U.S. consumers would prefer U.S. beef, but to introduce the R-CULT isolationists to their own stupidity of making a novelty item out of foreign beef."
If consumers "place far more emphasis on price", why in the world would they buy novelties? Once again, you trap yourself. :lol:
If consumers "place far more emphasis on price", why in the world would they buy novelties? Once again, you trap yourself. :lol:
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This just shows the shallow thought process of the average import blamer. The only way to determine the origin of beef is to determine the origin of the cattle the beef came from. Without that information, WHICH SUPPOSEDLY BURDENS THE IMPORT BLAMERS WITH TRACEBACK, beef has to be labeled as "ORIGIN UNKNOWN".
WOW, SOME KIND OF VICTORY THERE OLD TIMER! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! Hahaha!
OT, goes on and on about an insignificant amount of foreign beef being perceived as US BEEF under a USDA inspection stamp. To solve that problem, they now force retailers to place placards of "origin unknown" in their meat cases creating the perception that most beef is foreign. LOL!
The classic "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND".
~SH~
WOW, SOME KIND OF VICTORY THERE OLD TIMER! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! Hahaha!
OT, goes on and on about an insignificant amount of foreign beef being perceived as US BEEF under a USDA inspection stamp. To solve that problem, they now force retailers to place placards of "origin unknown" in their meat cases creating the perception that most beef is foreign. LOL!
The classic "BLIND LEADING THE BLIND".
~SH~
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What a stupid question!
What makes you think there would be a difference in price between U.S. beef and the novelty item of foreign beef?
If Canadian or Mexican beef was priced higher, it would be because consumers were willing to pay more for it DUE TO it's quality (Canadian) or novelty status.
Some trap! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
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If they went to the grocery store and that was all that was available to them, they would not have a choice. Without knowing where the meat came from, they would not have a choice.
Once again, you sleep in your response.
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~SH~ said:
That made a lot of sense! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I rest my case.
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With only 5% of the beef at the retail level being labeled as foreign beef, under "M"COOL, most wouldn't have a choice anyway.
SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE!
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Assuming there is no difference in price between foreign and domestic beef, why would U.S. consumers not want to buy the foreign beef considering it's rarity (novelty status)?
Heck Conman just admitted he would give Canadian beef a try. I would venture to guess that most consumers would.
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SH:
Conman: "If they went to the grocery store and that was all that was available to them, they would not have a choice. Without knowing where the meat came from, they would not have a choice."
With only 5% of the beef at the retail level being labeled as foreign beef, under "M"COOL, most wouldn't have a choice anyway.
SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE!
Where is 5% of the beef at retail being labled as foreign beef? Are you talking about some of your illusions again? Maybe it isn't an illusion for you, maybe it is delusions.
Conman: "If they went to the grocery store and that was all that was available to them, they would not have a choice. Without knowing where the meat came from, they would not have a choice."
With only 5% of the beef at the retail level being labeled as foreign beef, under "M"COOL, most wouldn't have a choice anyway.
SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE!
Where is 5% of the beef at retail being labled as foreign beef? Are you talking about some of your illusions again? Maybe it isn't an illusion for you, maybe it is delusions.