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Albertas going crazy

We have subsidized daycare to get those single moms out working so somebody else can raise their kids-why not skip the daycare and let the mom's raise them. Not all single Mom's are wastrels-how about tracking down some of the deadbeat dads in the patch that skip their child support.
 
The thing is with our subsidized daycare your still looking at atleast $20 per child per day. Plus im not fussy aboat the idea of putting a young child in daycare when the kid is so young yet that they cant really talk yet or be street proofed.
A lot of jobs that single mothers could get despite what some think dont pay all that well. Now add in daycare and gas <travel>money and she doesnt have anything left over.
What does welfare pay anyways? I would be surprised if it paid anything above enough to barely live off of. Then add the social stigma to it and I cant see anybody going onto it unless they had to.
But then on the other hand refugees that come to Canada get over $2500 a month per person from the Federal and provicial governments while they wait for over a year for there immigration hearing. To me thats a worse problem than some woman who left her husband because he was beating the crap out of her.
I dont know if you have ever noticed it or not but people on welfare tend to have a look about them. Heads down, shoulders in, dont look you in the eye. Kind of a beaten down look about them with no spirit. If you crush their spirit and self esteem I dont understand how you can expect them to make something of themselves?
Its actually for this and other reasons that im not for our present system. I know for a fact that certain people who should get welfare assistance dont because they wont apply for it because of pride and the stigma attached to it. There has to be a better way. Plus druggies should not be useing it for there next fix. Its all messed up.
 
The way I understand it-if a welfare Mom works whatever she earns comes off her cheque-not much incentive to get ahead there. I run into alot of kids like that coaching-alot of Mom's sacrifice alot for their kids-some deadbeat Dad's I'd like to tune on. Amazing how many times a kid gets sent on a roadtrip with no arrangements made as far as rooms,meals etc. No wonder the credit card is maxed during hockey season-don't have the heart to leave a kid behind because of deadbeat parents.
 
Part of the problem is duplication of services plus most of the beauracracies would rather spend $2 to save a dollar from going to the people they are sapposed to help.
Social Credit
Have a minimun garanteed income for everybody with no strings attached. This could be done through revenue Canada. This will give work incentive to lower income people and save taxpayers money because you dont need all these beaurocrats. It would also take a lot of the stigma and shame out of it.
It would give poor people a certain amount of credit to be able to borrow money from the banks to start there own businesses or to create their own jobs.
Look I know a woman whos father and three uncles were all murdered on the same night. Their mother who had six kids had to go on welfare. The shame that these kids were made to feel was awful and I can tell you right now that a lot of children have gone hungry on Christian charity.
All six of those kids turned out to be great citizens and fine parents but there is no way in hell that they should have suffered like they did when they were kids. BTW this was in Canada.
 
Just got off phone with my wife she's in 'Stoon with the two youngest girls at hockey school-well of course she's checking out RTM houses-the guy told her they sell 90 percent of their houses to Albertans-you can buy RTM's in askatchewan for 1/3 of what they cost in Alberta. Guess you better be making good money. Roper how far from Pincher Creek do you live.
 
Mrs.Greg said:
Last week our government decieded to bring in people from other countries to start filling these positions,this in itself is not a good thing. We have alot of people from our own country abusing our welfare system that should be MADE to go out and work...with these kind of wages for working in fast food places,how can they not do it. I' hope to gosh our government isn't paying welfare recipents $14.00 an hour for sitting at home.
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So NR and Roper...this was one of my first posts,doesn't say anything about single moms,does say people who sit at home and do nothing. Contrary to what you both are saying there are people who chose to do nothing when totally capable of it,we see it in the transplants in our small town..the mine is crying for people,untrained to drive graders and cats at $26 an hour,benefits after three months. The health unit I work at cannot get enough girls to work as HCA,they will hire the girls,train them for thier certificate and starting wages $14an hour benefits after three months....this is what I was getting at,train these people to work INSTEAD of bringing workers from other countries in.But since you insist on bringing up the single moms....I know alot of single moms that have had to work to raise thier children,and they have raised wonderful kids. Doesn't matter if you work or stay home with them...depends what your doing when your with them that the important part :!:
 
NR
Whats RTMs?
Im about two hours because off the roads. There is a couple of ways for me to go to Pincher but neither way is direct and they are all mostly gravel.

Miss Greg
I dont know anybody who is on welfare right now. Really I dont know of anybody who is even unemployed. Are you sure there is a bunch of able body men in your area who are on welfare? Maybe there is? Its just that it doesnt seem to be like that down here.
You know a lot of people come to this province with nothing. Find work right away but still end up being homeless until there first paycheck or two comes. You know just because somebody is sleeping in their car does not mean they are on welfare or not working.
Like if you go to Lethbridge you will see men hanging around the parks that are probable on some kind of assistance. Honestly though these people dont look employable to me. Mental illness, substance abuse, etc. But this makes up such a small amount of the population. I really dont think its a problem but maybe im wrong.
About quality time with your kids
Miss Greg where you a latch key kid? raised in daycare?pushed off on strangers? raised by relatives that didnt want you? Im guessing no?
If you want to get rid of government waste then maybe we should look at ways of getting rid of AISH,UI,WC,CND pension and SS. These huge beauracracies are the real drain.
 
Roper,yes I know these people are being helped out by our government,they were moved to our town,given homes to live in,no really young children...and they do not work.

As for AISH,my niece gets help from AISH for her three year old child with Cerebral Palsy....I think we could look at other places to cut but not there.

No,not a latchkey kid or any of the other you mentioned,but my one and half year old grandson goes to daycare two half days a week,my son works and goes to university and my DIL is a teacher that HAS to work to get her certificate,she went to UofA for four years,shes not about to quit now.....hes a very smart happy little boy,that is well looked after in daycare when hes there...the number one thing my DIL looked for before she put him in was an open door policy,parents or grandparents can go in at any time. I think we can all say staying home with kids is the best senario if possible but its not always possible
 
Mrs.Greg said:
Roper,yes I know these people are being helped out by our government,they were moved to our town,given homes to live in,no really young children...and they do not work.

As for AISH,my niece gets help from AISH for her three year old child with Cerebral Palsy....I think we could look at other places to cut but not there.

No,not a latchkey kid or any of the other you mentioned,but my one and half year old grandson goes to daycare two half days a week,my son works and goes to university and my DIL is a teacher that HAS to work to get her certificate,she went to UofA for four years,shes not about to quit now.....hes a very smart happy little boy,that is well looked after in daycare when hes there...the number one thing my DIL looked for before she put him in was an open door policy,parents or grandparents can go in at any time. I think we can all say staying home with kids is the best senario if possible but its not always possible
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Miss Greg
I didnt know they gave away homes in Alberta or even provided them?
Down here they put mothers in really crappy apartment buildings and pay the rent.

What im suggesting is a garanteed Minimun income that would be ran by Revenue Canada<IRS>. This way we could get rid of all these duplicate bearocracies like AISH,CP,WC,EI and SS.
You see this way your niece would be covered by the Min. income with no strings.
My understanding is with AISH the people who get it are not allowed to own a car, have any money in the bank, have any property in their name?
I know a woman who is on AISH. She will never get off it. If she works they just claw back her bennifits. She does work part time about 8 hours a week but if she worked full time she would not be any better off.

Here is the problem with an open door policy. If your relatives can go there anytime then so can other peoples.
How do you know if the other people going there are not child molesters? You dont.
I wouldnt want any men working at or having access to daycare children.
We were putting our oldest in daycare for just a couple of half days a week just to get him used to other children because there are no other children his age where we live.
Its a long story but I know they were not changing diapers until just before the parents came to pick up the kids.
They also were not doing anything with the kids except for basically being in the same room with them.
If a really young kid cried they were just shut in a room by themselves until they stopped crying.
Also 3 of the older kids were picking at the younger kids and apparently the staff wasnt doing anything about it.
This was at a closed door daycare but we were not the only parents with concerns so we compared notes with other parents and started making excuses for unplanned visits.We also got info from older kids there who were old enough to talk.
Anyway a bunch of us pulled our kids.
You know you really have to care about your kids in order to put up with them. I dont think some stranger working for min wage is going to have the same patients as a parent or relative.
My childhood was a living hell. So was my wifes. Or number one thing in life is to provide our children with something that we did not have. A good childhood.
 
A RTM is a ready to move house-we were thinking of buying a new one till that little border glitch in '03. I just get really sick of people stereotyping single mom's as being worthless welfare bums. What's worse a single mom trying to get by or a millionaire ex grain farmer trying to get u to pay cash so he can get his whole old age pension cheque. Like Roper said the children are the ones whose needs have to be met.
 
Both of you guys generalize way too much,not all single moms on welfare OR working are bad or good moms,Guess what most mothers are the best they can be in thier given position.But notice I did say MOST.And yes it goes both ways. Same Roper with the daycare situation,not all daycares are created equal thats for sure but given the choice a daycare IMO,is a WAY better choice then a private home...there you HAVE no idea whats going on.A person has to be signed into the daycare our grandson goes to,theres one helper to every three children,so if a pedophile was in there I"m sure they would notice.

And yes homes are provided for people on welfare,they pay the rent,small amount I assume.Because its cheaper{or was} wefare cases are being moved into smaller town.

And honestly you guys made it into a single mom issue I didn't,like I said one of my closest friends is a single mom who raised her four kids on her own from the time her youngest was two,the youngest is 16 now and shes raised awesome kids,and they were in dayhomes for the most part,you don't have to be part of a twosome,that the mother stays home all the time to raise wonderful children. PS..my friends husband is from out of country,when they split he left country,her family helps her in no way at all,and are from Manitoba...she has done this on her OWN,her work ethic gave her children a strong work ethic...nothing wrong with that in my books!
 
I guess I think single Mom because im guessing they tend to be the ones who need the service.
Im just wondering if there are any statistics about just who recieves welfare?
I cant for the life of me imagine able body single men going on welfare just because they are to lazy to work.
Sorry I wasnt trying to put down single mothers. Its just as a parent I cant imagine trying to raise kids on my own or worse yet trying to raise kids on my own and working out full time as well.
Im trying to make things better for women. I sure didnt mean to sound like I was putting them down.

Northern did you hear about the guy in Ontario who when he found out that he won the lottery didnt tell anyone. Then he divorced his wife and kids and then after his divorce was settled he claimed the lotto millions.<puke>
 
RoperAB said:
I guess I think single Mom because im guessing they tend to be the ones who need the service.
Im just wondering if there are any statistics about just who recieves welfare?
I cant for the life of me imagine able body single men going on welfare just because they are to lazy to work.
Sorry I wasnt trying to put down single mothers. Its just as a parent I cant imagine trying to raise kids on my own or worse yet trying to raise kids on my own and working out full time as well.
Im trying to make things better for women. I sure didnt mean to sound like I was putting them down.

Northern did you hear about the guy in Ontario who when he found out that he won the lottery didnt tell anyone. Then he divorced his wife and kids and then after his divorce was settled he claimed the lotto millions.<puke>
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O wow ....divorcing your wife after u win the lottery ...sounds like something my x would have done....men are pretty sneaky when it comes to divorce, boy did i find out the hard way ....I think she should get half of the winnings...for him being such a jerk....Im sure not all men are sneaky but, i was amazed how sneaky mine got.... :lol:
 
Someone tried that in the states once... Still had to give up half their winnings. You earn the money when you "won" it not when you claim it..

At least in Illinois it worked that way, and this was just a 100k winning if I remember right.
 
NR; If you are looking for quality RTM's there's a couple of Mennonite builder's south of Delisle that do excellent work. The Saskatoon guys are all caught up in supplying the Alta. boom, pushing out houses as fast as they can with a shortage of tradesmen; you just have to wonder about quality control! Last winter there was about an average of 5 RTM's a week moving north to McMurray from Saskatoon!
 
Ohhh were just looking-we go to Saskatoon I go drool over rifles at Wholesale Sports and the better half checks out show homes. Probably just get new hides for the teepee this fall lol. I've seen that sign south of Delisle a few tiomes when I'm down there. Got right around 50 bred to my new Hereford bull already-I guess Genex is going to check him out in Sept.
 
That guy in Ontario ended up having to share the winning with his x wife.
If I won a million I could rebuild my old truck. Maybe even build a garage so I wouldnt have to work at it outside like I am right now :lol:
Its half annoying because I cant get parts from GM anymore. Im doing the electrical right now and you cant buy the right switches, etc for it. So I have to rewire my truck to fit the modern switches, resistors, etc.
Plus its all a mess because who ever had the truck before me had all kinds of stupid assesories hooked up and most of the wiring is a mickey mouse deal. So im basically pulling out and throwing away the original wiring and starting from scratch. Its a wonder that truck never caught fire the way the wiring was.
I wonder why some people cluter up there trucks with all these aftermarket lights and junk? I hate that stuff plus its expensive. Then when they wire it up or do repairs they tend to do just a half a$$ job.
Anyway it would be nice if a fellow had a shop to work in.
You know about the lotto I was just thinking. You know if you won a million bucks it wouldnt be near enough to get into ranching in Alberta. Not with land prices being the way they are.
The only option would be to move to Saskatchewan.
 
Mrs Greg
About that woman I know who is in AISH. Her x husband beat her up so many times and broke so many of her bones so many times that she is all crippled up. She also had a nervous breakdown and was institutionalized for some time.

There is a book written by Jane Hurshman called life with Billy. Its a really good read although the second editions are edited<watered down>. There are a lot of Billy Staffords out there :cry:

Here are some statistics. Unfortunately they dont break it down to gender but I suspect its a high female to male ratio. Also according to the statistics children are the ones who bennifit the most from welfare.
http://www.ccsd.ca/factsheets/sadis98.htm
CASES RECIPIENTS
Number Percentage Number Percentage
Singles 778,600 55.6% 778,600 30.2%
Couples, no children 73,400 5.2% 146,800 5.7%
Couples with children 147,300 10.5% 294,600 11.4%
Single Parents 402,100 28.7% 402,100 15.6%
Children -- -- 955,400 37.1%
TOTAL 1,401,600 100.0% 2,577,500 100.0%

Note: Totals may not add due to rounding.

Source: Prepared by the Canadian Council on Social Development, using data from Human Resources Development Canada (Quantitative and Information Analysis, Social Policy), December 1998.

Reading this table
Example: In March 1998, there were 147,300 couples with children receiving social assistance payments, accounting for 10.5% of the total number of social assistance cases. If you count all adult members of these two-parent families, there were 294,600 recipients of social assistance benefits. They accounted for 11.4% of the total number of recipients. Children do not directly receive social assistance payments, and thus account for no "cases". They do, however, live in families which receive social assistance, and in 1998 37.1% of social assistance recipients were children. Almost one million children (955,400) benefited from social assistance in 1998.
 
Mostly Roper my problam are with the ones that can work but don't.

I really don't know a whole lot about AISH other then the help my niece gets..her little guys equipment is REALLY expensive so they help with that,not all of it for sure a small percentage. I know there are adults recieving it and I know the guidlines to getting it as an adult are quite tough..a friend has a son with high functioning spina bifida,whos looking a the rest of his life in a wheelchair...he was refused help from AISH.
Roper,I've read Life With Billy...truly a horror story.
 

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