Another horse scenario
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Soapweed
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Mrs.Greg said:
Good. Glad to hear it. He is sure following right along with the Liberal and Animal Rights agendas on this particular issue though. It is just a first step in outlawing all of animal agriculture.
As far as him being a better horseman, or "more caring" than other horsemen, that is probably all in his own estimation. He is living in LaLa Land as far as common sense on this particular issue is concerned.
katrina
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Soap, Who do I contact about selling at Rushville??
Soapweed
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katrina said:
Katrina, there is a web-page at www.sheridanlivestock.com. or contact Link Thompson at Gordon, 308-282-9998.
katrina
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Thanks Soap..... 
Faster horses
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If we do not have access to kill plants for unwanted horses, be
prepared for more of this type of thing:
To me, this is despicable. Much, much worse than a horse going
to a kill plant. It makes me sick to think what will happen to unwanted
horses if this law goes into effect.
All those who support this legislation needs to think long and hard
about what the far-reaching effects of it will be.
prepared for more of this type of thing:
To me, this is despicable. Much, much worse than a horse going
to a kill plant. It makes me sick to think what will happen to unwanted
horses if this law goes into effect.
All those who support this legislation needs to think long and hard
about what the far-reaching effects of it will be.
JF Ranch
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The trouble is, it's more or less a done deal.
I happen to be on Soapy's side of this but we horse people are a very minute part of it. It's out of our hands and I doubt that all the squawking we can muster will make any difference.
To liberal or conservative lawmakers who are ignorant on the subject, it is a "feel good" decision that makes them look like they are doing the right thing to the multitudes of urban folks who are even more ignorant. Poll numbers are their only consideration. These lawmakers cannot lose by voting for the ban now, however they will have to address the unwanted horse problem eventually.
If 99.9% of the population wants to ban horse slaughter, the tiney minority who are affected most by it will be forced to go along with the majority out of sheer ignorance.
I happen to be on Soapy's side of this but we horse people are a very minute part of it. It's out of our hands and I doubt that all the squawking we can muster will make any difference.
To liberal or conservative lawmakers who are ignorant on the subject, it is a "feel good" decision that makes them look like they are doing the right thing to the multitudes of urban folks who are even more ignorant. Poll numbers are their only consideration. These lawmakers cannot lose by voting for the ban now, however they will have to address the unwanted horse problem eventually.
If 99.9% of the population wants to ban horse slaughter, the tiney minority who are affected most by it will be forced to go along with the majority out of sheer ignorance.
Heel Fly
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The older I get the more I am turning to a more natural way of horse training. HOWEVER there are bad horses, I had one. I sold him at the MC Bucking Horse sale, he won sundays sale. Sucker was born to buck and thats that. I believe in God, slaughtering horses, shooting bad dogs, whipping bad kids and culling a nasty cow. Thats about it. 
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Heel Fly said:The older I get the more I am turning to a more natural way of horse training. HOWEVER there are bad horses, I had one. I sold him at the MC Bucking Horse sale, he won sundays sale. Sucker was born to buck and thats that. I believe in God, slaughtering horses, shooting bad dogs, whipping bad kids and culling a nasty cow. Thats about it.
Stopping the horse slaughter may be the end of the MC Bucking Horse Sale-- because many of the horses that didn't buck to par before were bought by the canner buyers....Won't be anyone to buy them now...
Might have to turn it in to an all Bucking Bull sale- still can sell hamburger-- for now anyway.....
Mort
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In this part of the country the unwanted horses are going to end up on the BLM. In Bend this fall hay was already two hundred dollars a ton and the horses where being dumped on a regular basis. We, the taxpayers are already feeding way too many mustangs out here, that have overpopulated areas and have been gathered, at our expense, and now we get to feed them for the rest of their lives. The legislatures are creating a whole new problem here, all because some Hollyweird, Bo Dereck, jumps up and says horses are pets now, not a work animal, and therefore cannot be slaughtered. Oh by the way the mustangs in the government corrals get fed dairy quality hay, alfalfa, no meadow hay, no grass, only dairy quality alfalfa, where does a mustang in it's natural habitat, get dairy quality alfalfa. Last fall I was talking to a hay buyer who was delivering this hay to the horse corrals for 180/ton and up. There will be more horses headed in that direction soon.
N/D
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Mort or Nicky, I heard of two cases of horses being dumped on BLM this winter. What happened with them? Horse rescue? BLM corrals? Did they find those who did it? I think it was in the Bend/Prineville area. I think we are going to see alot more of this by "responsible" owners if the anti's win.
Mort
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There has always been dumping going on around here, somebody gets tired of feeding a horse, hauls him out somewhere and opens the gate, now because of the price of hay and the no slaughter law there is going to be more and more of this happening. How are you going to catch these people? Unless someone actually sees this happening, which is rare, the BLM has just gained some horses. If they are branded and they go to the trouble of running the brand, they can say the horse got out and ran off. Catching the people who are dumping horses is going to be really difficult, next to impossible. But it wouldn't have to be if there was a market for these unwanted horses.
N/D
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Mort, I agree with you and I'm familar with your area, just curious if you knew what the outcome was. I guess my point was, we are going to see alot more of this and who is getting called to deal with these "strays" in your area.
Mort
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The outcome is the BLM will go out and gather more horses, when they get around to it, and put them in the horse corrals, and we get to feed them forever. This is such big country out here, there is no real way to catch dumpers. There is a lot of lions around everywhere and they are getting some horses killed, there was a rancher over towards Crane had three or four kills this year, so maybe some of the dumps will end up that way. I hate to see that cause we don't need to be feeding more lions either. Your from CA, you know what the cougars have done down there, they're going to eat something, sometimes people. Bottom line without a market the problem is just going to get worse, can't get better. I was at a sale this week and several horses went thru without a bid. Next morning I was in there picking up the cows I bought and I see this no sale horse being picked up by his owner, now how long do you suppose this guy is going to buy hay for this unwanted horse before he decides to do something different.
Faster horses
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Faster horses
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Mrs. Greg, just so you know the 'rest of the story' in as few words as
possible, a lot of feed was put into that horse after the first picture was
taken.
Prior to that, he was turned out and had to range on his own.I had the picture and merely used it as a shocking photo of a thin and aging horse. The horse should NEVER have gotten in that shape in the first place.
All that was wrong with him was LACKOFFEEDOSIS.
When people let horses go when they COULD market them, what is
going to happen when they no longer can? There is gonna be wayyyyyyy too many of these horses trying their best to stay upright. I wonder how many of these 'horse welfare people' have seen an old, skinny, weak horse try to keep standing. It's not pretty.
This is the same horse 90 days AFTER being put on some good feed.
possible, a lot of feed was put into that horse after the first picture was
taken.
Prior to that, he was turned out and had to range on his own.I had the picture and merely used it as a shocking photo of a thin and aging horse. The horse should NEVER have gotten in that shape in the first place.
All that was wrong with him was LACKOFFEEDOSIS.
When people let horses go when they COULD market them, what is
going to happen when they no longer can? There is gonna be wayyyyyyy too many of these horses trying their best to stay upright. I wonder how many of these 'horse welfare people' have seen an old, skinny, weak horse try to keep standing. It's not pretty.
This is the same horse 90 days AFTER being put on some good feed.
N/D
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Mort said:
young gun
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I have had my share of bad luck with horses, and yes sometimes it can be the persons fault, but there are horses out there that would rather bite your face off than let handle them. if a horse is unwilling to learn then it is unfit to be kept around. how would you feel if a child climbed in a pen with a renegade horse and got hurt!!!
Pops
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Sounds to me like RoperAB needs to make a trip down to the sandhills and give Soap his money back on that paint pony and take him home.
Just in case anyone has not seen this already.
Federal Court of Appeals Affirms Ruling Declaring Horse Slaughter Illegal in Texas
Two of the Nation's Three Horse Slaughter Plants Must Now Close
WASHINGTON (March 6, 2007)—Today, The Humane Society of the United States hailed a decision yesterday by the entire United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit to affirm an earlier panel decision upholding a Texas state law banning the sale of horsemeat for human consumption.
Without comment or dissent, the 19 judges of the full court rejected a petition by three foreign-owned slaughter plants seeking full court review of a three-judge panel's January 19, 2006 decision upholding the Texas horse slaughter law. The slaughter plants had claimed the Texas law at issue was unconstitutional, an argument that was quickly brushed aside by the Court in its January opinion and again by its decision denying rehearing yesterday.
"This is the end of the line for the horse slaughter industry in Texas," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO for The HSUS. "The kill floors should be still and quiet in Texas if the owners of these foreign-owned plants obey the law."
"Only one slaughterhouse continues to operate in the United States, and it is time for Congress to step in and halt this grisly business once and for all," Pacelle added.
The HSUS has been actively campaigning to ban the slaughter of American horses for export for human consumption.
Facts
· The criminal code of Texas has long prohibited the sale or possession of horse meat, but the law has never been enforced.
· According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 100,800 American horses were slaughtered in three foreign-owned slaughter houses in 2006. Another 30,000 were sent to Mexico or Canada for slaughter.
· Opponents of the slaughter ban argue the practice constitutes a humane way to kill old animals, but investigations by The HSUS show cruelty and abuse throughout the process. USDA statistics show that more than 92 percent of horses slaughtered in the U.S. are not old and infirm but in good condition.
· Legislation to ban the slaughter of American horses nationwide was introduced in both the U.S. House and Senate by Sens. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Reps. Janice Schakowsky (D-Ill.), Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.), John Spratt (D-S.C.), and Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.) introduced a companion bill, H.R. 503.
· The measure received tremendous bipartisan support in the 109th Congress, winning a vote of 263 to 146 in the House. It stalled in the Senate in late 2006, however, and was not brought up for a vote before Congress adjourned, even though a similar effort had been overwhelmingly approved by the Senate in 2005.
· Nearly 70 percent of Americans are strongly against the slaughter of American horses for human consumption overseas.
Timeline
· In 2002, responding to citizen and local government concerns about the two foreign-owned horse slaughter plants in the state – Dallas Crown in Kaufman and Beltex in Fort Worth – then-Texas Attorney General John Cornyn issued a written opinion that the 1949 Texas law applies and may be enforced.
· In response, the Tarrant County District Attorney attempted to enforce the law, but last year a federal district court in Texas ruled that the law was repealed by another statute and preempted by federal law.
· The District Attorney appealed that decision last year, and the HSUS filed an amicus brief in the case in March 2006.
· In January 2007, the court of appeals upheld the law, flatly rejecting the slaughterhouses' arguments that the ban on the sale of horsemeat does not protect horses from theft and abuse, and that regulating horse slaughter can achieve those same purposes, noting instead that "it is a matter of commonsense that…alternatives…do not preserve horses as well as completely prohibiting the sale and transfer of horsemeat for human consumption.
Whoever said it back up the line is right. This is out of the horseman's hands and has been almost from the gitgo.Z
Just in case anyone has not seen this already.
Federal Court of Appeals Affirms Ruling Declaring Horse Slaughter Illegal in Texas
Two of the Nation's Three Horse Slaughter Plants Must Now Close
WASHINGTON (March 6, 2007)—Today, The Humane Society of the United States hailed a decision yesterday by the entire United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit to affirm an earlier panel decision upholding a Texas state law banning the sale of horsemeat for human consumption.
Without comment or dissent, the 19 judges of the full court rejected a petition by three foreign-owned slaughter plants seeking full court review of a three-judge panel's January 19, 2006 decision upholding the Texas horse slaughter law. The slaughter plants had claimed the Texas law at issue was unconstitutional, an argument that was quickly brushed aside by the Court in its January opinion and again by its decision denying rehearing yesterday.
"This is the end of the line for the horse slaughter industry in Texas," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO for The HSUS. "The kill floors should be still and quiet in Texas if the owners of these foreign-owned plants obey the law."
"Only one slaughterhouse continues to operate in the United States, and it is time for Congress to step in and halt this grisly business once and for all," Pacelle added.
The HSUS has been actively campaigning to ban the slaughter of American horses for export for human consumption.
Facts
· The criminal code of Texas has long prohibited the sale or possession of horse meat, but the law has never been enforced.
· According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 100,800 American horses were slaughtered in three foreign-owned slaughter houses in 2006. Another 30,000 were sent to Mexico or Canada for slaughter.
· Opponents of the slaughter ban argue the practice constitutes a humane way to kill old animals, but investigations by The HSUS show cruelty and abuse throughout the process. USDA statistics show that more than 92 percent of horses slaughtered in the U.S. are not old and infirm but in good condition.
· Legislation to ban the slaughter of American horses nationwide was introduced in both the U.S. House and Senate by Sens. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Reps. Janice Schakowsky (D-Ill.), Ed Whitfield (R-Ky.), John Spratt (D-S.C.), and Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.) introduced a companion bill, H.R. 503.
· The measure received tremendous bipartisan support in the 109th Congress, winning a vote of 263 to 146 in the House. It stalled in the Senate in late 2006, however, and was not brought up for a vote before Congress adjourned, even though a similar effort had been overwhelmingly approved by the Senate in 2005.
· Nearly 70 percent of Americans are strongly against the slaughter of American horses for human consumption overseas.
Timeline
· In 2002, responding to citizen and local government concerns about the two foreign-owned horse slaughter plants in the state – Dallas Crown in Kaufman and Beltex in Fort Worth – then-Texas Attorney General John Cornyn issued a written opinion that the 1949 Texas law applies and may be enforced.
· In response, the Tarrant County District Attorney attempted to enforce the law, but last year a federal district court in Texas ruled that the law was repealed by another statute and preempted by federal law.
· The District Attorney appealed that decision last year, and the HSUS filed an amicus brief in the case in March 2006.
· In January 2007, the court of appeals upheld the law, flatly rejecting the slaughterhouses' arguments that the ban on the sale of horsemeat does not protect horses from theft and abuse, and that regulating horse slaughter can achieve those same purposes, noting instead that "it is a matter of commonsense that…alternatives…do not preserve horses as well as completely prohibiting the sale and transfer of horsemeat for human consumption.
Whoever said it back up the line is right. This is out of the horseman's hands and has been almost from the gitgo.Z