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Ask Van Dyke

TimH said:
Sandhusker said:
I've got some questions for you mwj;

Why couldn't Swift account for the Canadian cattle? Why couldn't they check their own paperwork, compare the tags and have the whole deal settled in half an hour?

Why did it take the USDA so long to track those cattle? Aren't there double copies at the border? Swift supposedly brought the cattle in themselves, wouldn't they have the papers what would clear up the deal quickly?

Sandhusker, The title of this thread is "Ask Van Dyke". He took the time to join the forum and offered to answer any questions people had. I believe he even said "Fire Away!!".
He also continues to claim that the USDA and or Swift are basicly lieing and that the CDN cattle WERE at his place.
We've seen the info that USDA has released to the press saying that the cattle were NEVER at his place.Let's see his side of the story.
I don't understand why you and Econ are attempting to answer for him. Why not let him answer the questions? If those cattle were at his place,somebody ,somewhere broke the law. I would like to find out who and how.
I agree Tim, you have a guy openning himself up for question and when the questions start to fly you have others running interference so the question never get answered. Just how much proof has Van Dyke provided to back his story.
Funny how we are to believe him with nothing to back his story but we are to forget that a South Dakota State vet that has been known to critize the USDA has see the evidence and claimed it to be complete and the correct information was released. :?
 
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject:

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Sandhusker wrote:
I've got some questions for you mwj;

Why couldn't Swift account for the Canadian cattle? Why couldn't they check their own paperwork, compare the tags and have the whole deal settled in half an hour?

Why did it take the USDA so long to track those cattle? Aren't there double copies at the border? Swift supposedly brought the cattle in themselves, wouldn't they have the papers what would clear up the deal quickly?


It is not the problem of the speed of the trace.

OOOOOOH but it is ,47 days???? The problem is that the were moved into pasture in the spring or there abouts and the USDA was looking for records in the last few days of moving the cattle to Swift. No database thus no records recovery. Good Lord ,the brand inspectors got better recordkeeping then Swift and the USDA combined. Yet none of them are a match for www.scoringag.com search engines that seach at the speed of google.
 
TimH said:
Sandhusker said:
I've got some questions for you mwj;

Why couldn't Swift account for the Canadian cattle? Why couldn't they check their own paperwork, compare the tags and have the whole deal settled in half an hour?

Why did it take the USDA so long to track those cattle? Aren't there double copies at the border? Swift supposedly brought the cattle in themselves, wouldn't they have the papers what would clear up the deal quickly?

Sandhusker, The title of this thread is "Ask Van Dyke". He took the time to join the forum and offered to answer any questions people had. I believe he even said "Fire Away!!".
He also continues to claim that the USDA and or Swift are basicly lieing and that the CDN cattle WERE at his place.
We've seen the info that USDA has released to the press saying that the cattle were NEVER at his place.Let's see his side of the story.
I don't understand why you and Econ are attempting to answer for him. Why not let him answer the questions? If those cattle were at his place,somebody ,somewhere broke the law. I would like to find out who and how.

There are two separate issues here, Timh.

One is why did it take Swift 47 days and a lot of ruckus to pay a man from whom they took delivery of cattle.

The other issue is one of how good our borders are being protected. I am focusing on the first but there are some real points to the second.

It is a fact that Swift has possession of cattle from Canada and processes them at the same plant as domestic cattle. If Swift can not keep accurate records and inventory on these two distinct types of cattle, maybe the USDA should be working on protocol for packers instead of animal ID for producers.

ANY documents to the second question should be investigated, but those investigations do not necessarily fall to the producer. He should cooperate with the investigators, but he is not the investigator.

Personally I don't think any investigation by the USDA will be unbiased, accurate, and free from political influence. They haven't shown to be in the past.

I just think you should give Van Dyke respectable questions, and don't try to blame the victim.

Do you think using Canada's traceback system to find out some of the answers is not respectable? It could be used to show how good your system is. I am afraid it has a very high standard to meet after hearing of it so much on this board. For all the Canadians, I hope it is all it has been said to be.
 
Tam said:
Funny how we are to believe him with nothing to back his story but we are to forget that a South Dakota State vet that has been known to critize the USDA has see the evidence and claimed it to be complete and the correct information was released. :?

I haven't seen anything that says the SD State Vet has seen the evidence.

Check back on earlier posts where Van Dyke described the tags in detail, including apparently unique words not normal on tags.
 
PORKER said:
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject:

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Sandhusker wrote:
I've got some questions for you mwj;

Why couldn't Swift account for the Canadian cattle? Why couldn't they check their own paperwork, compare the tags and have the whole deal settled in half an hour?

Why did it take the USDA so long to track those cattle? Aren't there double copies at the border? Swift supposedly brought the cattle in themselves, wouldn't they have the papers what would clear up the deal quickly?


It is not the problem of the speed of the trace.

OOOOOOH but it is ,47 days???? The problem is that the were moved into pasture in the spring or there abouts and the USDA was looking for records in the last few days of moving the cattle to Swift. No database thus no records recovery. Good Lord ,the brand inspectors got better recordkeeping then Swift and the USDA combined. Yet none of them are a match for www.scoringag.com search engines that seach at the speed of google.


Sounds to me like you need to talk to swift as this would be a good time to make a sale. This thread is not about how quick he got his check and I do not think scoringag can change that :roll: I pay a lot of bills net in 30 days and think nothing of it. When will the power co. get paid for the power you use today? I doubt if this is a huge period of time in the grand scheme of things.
 
Econ101 wrote-

I just think you should give Van Dyke respectable questions, and don't try to blame the victim.

Econ, Show me where I posed a disrespectful question or tried to blame him in any way.
Why don't you and Sandhusker let the man speak for himself?? If those cattle were on his place illegally, don't you want to know how they got there and who is responsible?
 
TimH said:
Econ101 wrote-

I just think you should give Van Dyke respectable questions, and don't try to blame the victim.

Econ, Show me where I posed a disrespectful question or tried to blame him in any way.
Why don't you and Sandhusker let the man speak for himself?? If those cattle were on his place illegally, don't you want to know how they got there and who is responsible?

I don't know that you did, TimH. Mwj sure seemed to. This man doesn't have to subject himself to that kind of questioning as he said so himself. As a reader of this board, I don't have to be quiet when I see it either.

If Van Dyke is being subject to an inquisition instead of normal questions, we may not have him answering any of them.
 
This is turning into a comedy. Econ giving lessons on Bull Session etiquette. Too funny... :lol:
 
Econ101 said:
TimH said:
Econ101 wrote-

I just think you should give Van Dyke respectable questions, and don't try to blame the victim.

Econ, Show me where I posed a disrespectful question or tried to blame him in any way.
Why don't you and Sandhusker let the man speak for himself?? If those cattle were on his place illegally, don't you want to know how they got there and who is responsible?

I don't know that you did, TimH. Mwj sure seemed to. This man doesn't have to subject himself to that kind of questioning as he said so himself. As a reader of this board, I don't have to be quiet when I see it either.

If Van Dyke is being subject to an inquisition instead of normal questions, we may not have him answering any of them.

Inquisition??? If you read back through the questions I have asked Econ, you will see that they all have to do with tracking the animals back through the salebarn to the previous owner and so-forth until hopefully we can find out who broke the law. The USDA's position is that the cattle were never at Van Dykes place. That pretty much says that they won't be helping to find out how they got there,doesn't it.
If Van Dyke wants to prove that the cattle were at his place, I might be in a position to help. He could start by naming the sale barn where he bought them.
 
ocm said:
Tam said:
Funny how we are to believe him with nothing to back his story but we are to forget that a South Dakota State vet that has been known to critize the USDA has see the evidence and claimed it to be complete and the correct information was released. :?

I haven't seen anything that says the SD State Vet has seen the evidence.

Check back on earlier posts where Van Dyke described the tags in detail, including apparently unique words not normal on tags.

Cattle dispute continues
USDA: Animals came directly from Canada; S.D. livestock producer disagrees
By Scott Waltman
American News Writer
Canadian cattle at a Swift packing plant in Nebraska were delivered directly from Canada, not by a South Dakota livestock producer, a U.S. Department of Agriculture investigation has determined.

Federal law requires Canadian cattle to be shipped only in sealed trucks to feedlots or slaughterhouses.

However, the South Dakota cattleman involved believes some cattle he bought at livestock auctions in the state came from Canada.

The USDA investigation started after the Swift plant informed Jan Vandyke of Wessington Springs that it was withholding payment for seven head of cattle he sold to the packer in November. Vandyke then contacted the USDA, state ag officials, livestock groups and politicians to see what had happened and how he could be paid for the cattle.

A USDA official said Wednesday that the investigation revealed that the Canadian cattle were never at Vandyke's operation. Instead, the investigation showed the cattle in question were shipped directly to the plant from Manitoba, Canada, as is allowed by law.

The USDA was able to use import documents to determine that the animals entered the United States legally, the ag department spokesman said.

But Vandyke said he's sure the cattle were in his yard. He said he remembers seeing the distinct ear tags. Vandyke said his family members also remember the eartags.

"I have unanswered questions galore," Vandyke said.

He said he gave the USDA an affidavit stating that the cattle in question were definitely in the load he sent to the packer.

"Although we had not known that they were Canadian cattle, we recognized the eartags that were shown to us by the inspector after the cattle were received by the packer," Vandyke said in a press release issued by the South Dakota Stockgrowers.

Proper paperwork: However, Sam Holland, state veterinarian for South Dakota, said the paperwork indicates that tags of the cattle in question were checked at the Canadian border. The proper papers were found at the port of entry, he said Wednesday.

"The paperwork trail that's required for slaughter cattle is pretty irrefutable," Holland added.

Holland, who has been critical of some USDA dealings, said the investigation into the Vandyke situation was thorough and straightforward. While more work could be done on the case, Holland said that it now appears that the proper information has been released.


Vandyke said he's upset with the USDA investigation because he believes its findings are incorrect. He said he bought about 90 head of cattle on three days in February from livestock markets in South Dakota. He fed them until he sold them to Swift in November. He said Swift is getting short-changed because the investigation indicates a mix-up at the Swift plant.

The real question, Vandyke said, is how he unknowingly bought the Canadian cattle at South Dakota livestock auctions.

"I've told the truth" to the USDA investigator, Vandyke said.

The USDA currently allows only cattle that are younger than 30 months old to come into the United States. Those cattle must be shipped in sealed trucks to identified feedlots and are to remain at that feedlot until they are ready to be slaughtered.

Received payment: Since the investigation's determination, Vandyke has been paid the $11,000 that was being withheld when Swift thought his cattle originated in Canada.

Vandyke said he agrees with the South Dakota Stockgrowers and the Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, commonly called R-CALF, that the USDA's cattle importation process is faulty.

Both groups are opposed to a plan to open the borders even wider. In a press release, South Dakota Stockgrowers said USDA needs to scrap a plan that would allow Canadian cattle older than 30 months into the United States under certain conditions. Vandyke said he agrees.

"Back in 2003, the U.S. lost our entire export market due to a Canadian-born cow found in Washington state with (mad cow disease)," Rick Fox of Hermosa, president of South Dakota Stockgrowers, said in the press release. "Now, USDA proposes to re-open the border to these potentially diseased older cows from Canada. Clearly, they are unable to keep track of the Canadian cattle that enter this country, and become the burden of the U.S. producer who knowingly or unknowingly purchased them."

Holland said that he doesn't fault the Vandykes for believing their cattle had Canadian tags. Such a detail is easy to confuse after the fact, he said. But, he added, South Dakota Stockgrowers prematurely presented as fact the belief that Vandyke bought Canadian cattle in the state.

South Dakota Stockgrowers has requested a copy of the report with investigation details from USDA.

Just how could he make these statements if he didn't see the evidence ocm?

I also have this from an email from my source in Canada
Also on Feb 1, I read a report that Dr Sam Holland, State Vet for SD had seen USDA's results and he was satisfied
 
if usda has presented their explanation and van dyke says it ain't so i guess he'll have to present the real story. just sitting there saying it ain't so isn't going to cut it. if he owned canadian cattle he's going to have to present evidence to show how he determined they are canadian - where they came from and how he got them. we're all waiting.........
 

Boy, you must have the reading level of a 10-year old!! This is just pissing me off!! What exactly is your point? Yes, we do have sale barn receipts on them, they have the descriptions of the the cattle which are very vague. I posted that already. Things happen in production and if you were producer you would know that s*** happens and things don't get done. Several inches of rain kinda changes your practices from time to time. Yes, we have all of the names of the people who sold us the cattle through the sale barn, and yes we have narrowed the list down to a few suspected people. What do you want me to do name everyone off on the list so that you can do your own investigation??

I said that 93 head of cattle went into the initial lot to be fed. We fed these cattle corn on grass to improve rate of gain. We shipped 44 head to Swift and Co. in Grand Island, NE. No Canadian cattle were found on this load. On Oct. 31, 2006 they were killed. Then, on November 27, 2006, 43 cattle were shipped to Swift. That leaves behind an additional 6 head that makes up the lot of 93. These cattle were put into a different yard and sold at later dates to another packer because they were lesser quality and needed more feeding. All of our remaining cattle have been inspected for cattle of Canadian orgin. None have been found. Now, is there any discrepancy in the numbers we are dealing with here??? A total of 87 head of cattle were sold to Swift on two occasions.

On Nov. 28, 2006, we received a call from Swift asking us if we had any knowledge of Canadian cattle on our load. They said that all of their expected Canadian cattle were accounted for and that they had found some unaccounted cattle on our load. Swift then told us that all 43 cattle on the load were subject to being condemned. They told us that all the carcasses were pulled from the line and were hanging in a cooler until they could account for all of the cattle. On December 4, 2006 we were contacted by a APHIS investigator assigned to investigate our case. We were contacted by telephone and by e-mail services. Then on Dec. 6, he came to our place.

Two weeks after the cattle were killed we received a check from Swift for payment of 36 head. This was 1 more than what we expected to see because originally there were 8 Canadian cattle on the load that were identified. We later found out from the inspector that 35 head were processed and that 8 had been condemned and went to a landfill. This is where there are disputes as to how many of the cattle were of Canadian orgin. If you go by how many we got paid for there would be 7, if you go by how many were actually condemned it would be 8.

In the weeks to follow we started to contact lawyers on where our legal stance was, and also our state representives in D.C. As you all know, Senator Tim Johnson became ill, Stephanie Herseth became engaged and I guess John Thune didn't care because neither he or his staff would contact us back. What we did learn from the representative aids is that they couldn't do anything once there is a lawsuit filed. That meant we either had to hire a lawyer and sue somebody or else play the political game and hope our representatives would come to our aid. That is when we turned to someone who would listen to our complaint. The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association, and R-CALF were interested in the situation and wanted to help us get our money that we had lost. We agreed that SDSGA could release the story to the media. The first story released read:


SD Stockgrowers Concerned - Illegal Canadian Cattle Discovered in the U.S.

Rapid City ~ The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association (SDSGA) hopes USDA will take the necessary steps to remedy a loss of revenue for a South Dakota producer who unknowingly purchased Canadian feeder cattle, says SDSGA President Rick Fox.

An independent South Dakota feeder was under the impression, in November of 2006, that he had delivered U.S. cattle to a slaughter plant in Nebraska, but found out differently when the packing plant denied him payment on seven head of the fat cattle, says Fox. "He bought calves in South Dakota, and fed them at home in his feedlot like he always does, so he was pretty surprised when he got a call from the packing plant telling them that seven head out of the load had been condemned because they were of Canadian origin. The offal on the entire load was also condemned, which meant another substantial loss in income. He did not realize that the cattle were from Canada - he had purchased them assuming that they were domestic cattle."

Even though Canadian eartags were identified in the calves, the cattle have not been traced back to any particular farm or ranch in Canada. "Bureaucrats in Washington tell us that the U.S. cattle industry needs an individual animal ID program to allow for fast traceback, but the Stockgrowers believe that tracking of imported cattle should be a higher priority. Unfortunately, it appears that USDA is not keeping track of the cattle being imported from Canada - under USDA's rules, these calves should never have been allowed to be sold in a South Dakota auction market. The Canadian officials apparently haven't been able to trace back the movements and origin of the calves, despite the official Canadian tags found in their ears."

Fox says that USDA implemented a rule in 2005 to allow the importation of Canadian feeder cattle under 30 months of age, but only under very strict conditions. "The cattle are supposed to enter the U.S. in sealed trucks and be transported directly to an identified feedlot. They are then to remain in the identified feedlot until they are hauled to a slaughter plant in a sealed truck. The fact that these calves showed up at a salebarn in South Dakota, were allowed to intermingle with U.S. cattle, and were not represented as Canadian cattle, indicates that USDA is not monitoring the very system it created."

"USDA's mistake has really hit close to home - it has cost a South Dakota producer immensely. The Stockgrowers will keep working with him in hopes of recovering his lost income and preventing this problem from happening again," said Fox.

Fox said that the Stockgrowers have sent a letter to USDA with three requests: 1) a full update regarding the progress of the investigation; 2) an explanation as to the non-compliance that allowed the mistake and; 3) indemnification for the feeder's financial loss.

The South Dakota feeder hopes to recover his lost income and will be cautious about purchasing calves in the future. He also hopes USDA's investigation will soon reveal whether this was an isolated case, or if herd mates or other calves entered the U.S. and were sold and co-mingled illegally. Fox agrees. "It's tough to believe that there aren't more calves that crossed the border with these."

According to Fox, USDA has now proposed a further relaxation of import regulations to allow cattle from Canada that are over 30 months of age. "It is ludicrous that USDA would even consider relaxing the very import rules that they are already having difficulty policing. Before they even think about allowing older Canadian cattle to be imported, I hope they can figure out a monitoring system that works."

Fox said that SDSGA remains in opposition of the original rule to allow "under 30 month" cattle to be imported from Canada, as well as the proposed rule to allow importation of cattle over 30 months. "Canada has a BSE problem, plain and simple. USDA has placed U.S. producers and the entire industry at risk by allowing Canadian cattle to enter the country; they have further jeopardized our operations by not enforcing their import rules. The thought of relaxing the import regulations now to allow 'over 30 month' Canadian cattle to be imported is absolutely irresponsible."


This was released because Swift told us the cattle were on our load. With that being said, all of our cattle were bought through a sale barn. That left us wonder how did we end up with them. Swift had taken black and white photos of all ears of the cattle that were killed from our load. They were of thumbnail size but you could still read tag information and could tell the approximate color of the animal. After the inspector told us what to look for in a Canadian ear tag, anyone could visibly identify the 8 canadian cattle that were on our load. This is when we started to identify specific animals that were on the load.

When the first press release came out not very people knew what was going on and in a few days we were being contacted by several newspapers and radio stations. Those are the stories that most of you have probably found circulating on the internet and other news sources. On January 19, Swift and Co. issued us a check for the remaining cattle and the offal. The excuse Swift gave us was that there was a mixup at the plant. We never officially received anything from the USDA stating the findings of the investigation. The only statements we got from the USDA are the ones that were printed in the media. We are still waiting for the official findings and may never get them. I guess there are probably too many things in the report that we would dispute.

I hope this clears any confusion in my story that people may have, and please excuse any grammatical errors that I may have missed.
 
Van Dyke said:
It seems that there are many questions that people want answered about the canadian beef issue. Go ahead and fire away!!! I have many questions myself. I am the son of Jan Van Dyke I am a 4th generation farmer and actively farm with my father Jan and my grandpa. I know just as much about this issue as my father does. We feed out approximately 300 to 350 head every year. We buy calves from late fall to early spring and pasture them over the summer and then feed them to finishing weight. All of our cattle we feed are either purchased direct from a farm or ranch or else through a sale barn ring. I don't appreciate the USDA calling us liars. We know the cattle were on our place but have no overwhelming proof that they were there. We do have all of our sale barn receipts showing and accounting for every animal that we had purchased in 2006.
Back in November we recieved a call from Swift asking us if we had any knowledge of Canadian cattle on our load. They said that all of their expected Canadian cattle were accounted for and that they had found some unaccounted cattle on our load. Swift then told us that all 43 cattle on the load were subject to being condemned. That is a real hit thinking that you lost almost $50,000. They told us that all the carcasses were pulled from the line and were hanging in a seperate cooler until they could account for all of the cattle. A few days later we had an USDA inspector at our doorstep investingating the case.
ECON...since you missed what was first posted here I thought I'd remind you,the man said he'd answers questions,even said Fire away...what in the heck did he or you think was going to happen...man this crap gets soooo frustrating.
 
so how is it determined vandyke owned any canadian cattle other than the confusion back in november which usda and swift say has now been straightened out?
 
mwj said:
mwj said:
Van Dyke said:
Did you know that it was actuallly 8 head of cattle that were condemned and went to the landfill. On our photos that were provided by Swift of the 43 cattle that were supposed to be on our load 8 head had Canadian ear tags that you can visibly see and one of those eight had an electronic tag. When we received our first check from Swift they had paid us for all but 7 head. That is where the mix-up began between some reports. Initially Swift had condemned 8 when the first check came, but we were paid for 36 head. That means we had a loss of only 7 cattle. Don't ask me how, or why Swift paid us for 1 Canadian fat that went to the landfill, but they did. We were happy just to get paid for part of the load. The 7 head that we never got paid for is where the whole battle began.

Were these pictures taken as they were unloaded or in the pen. This is just what Econ was talking about. If you have pictures that puts you in the catbird seat. If you have such proof I can not see how your case would not be a slam dunk.


Here you go Econ now is your chance to prove your camera theory 8) He has the proof of what his cattle looked like because swift sent him pictures maybe he could even post a couple so we could see those tags they remember :roll: Do you have info that he did not get paid for his cattle. What do you figure he was shorted, the interest on the money from the delay of check. If I could not id my cattle I sure as the devil would not scream that someone else got them screwed up :wink:


Vandyke in your post you say that swift sent you pictures of your cattle. Now you raise hell with me and tell me that you got thumbnail photos of ears :shock: and acuse me of not being able to read. Every question I HAVE HAS BEEN POSTED BY YOU. If you have a prob. with it please proof read what you post. If this goes to court you will have to be a bit more specific on your facts. As I said before this case has a bearing on more people than you and your family. I can fully understand that you think you were screwed over by the system but you need to look at all sides. Are you saying that you had canadian cattle in your lot and that swift and the usda are covering it up? If that is the case just come out and say it and get on with the lawsuit.
 
mwj said:
mwj said:
mwj said:
Were these pictures taken as they were unloaded or in the pen. This is just what Econ was talking about. If you have pictures that puts you in the catbird seat. If you have such proof I can not see how your case would not be a slam dunk.


Here you go Econ now is your chance to prove your camera theory 8) He has the proof of what his cattle looked like because swift sent him pictures maybe he could even post a couple so we could see those tags they remember :roll: Do you have info that he did not get paid for his cattle. What do you figure he was shorted, the interest on the money from the delay of check. If I could not id my cattle I sure as the devil would not scream that someone else got them screwed up :wink:


Vandyke in your post you say that swift sent you pictures of your cattle. Now you raise hell with me and tell me that you got thumbnail photos of ears :shock: and acuse me of not being able to read. Every question I HAVE HAS BEEN POSTED BY YOU. If you have a prob. with it please proof read what you post. If this goes to court you will have to be a bit more specific on your facts. As I said before this case has a bearing on more people than you and your family. I can fully understand that you think you were screwed over by the system but you need to look at all sides. Are you saying that you had canadian cattle in your lot and that swift and the usda are covering it up? If that is the case just come out and say it and get on with the lawsuit.

mwj, I don't think there is a lawsuit here. Just USDA embarrassment. He got his money, probably without interest. He probably spent a lot of time just to get his money that he was not compensated for. Swift should never have accepted delivery and then taken the hides off if they were Canadian cattle without docs. They act as if they haven't ever dealt with the documentation, which is a little scary.

The cattle in question could easily have been traced back to the Canadian border with their documentation and eartags if the Canadian ID system is all it is said to be.
 
Yep -- He's supposed to be taking advice from Barrister mwj- who don't even know what a stockyards receipt description looks like :wink: :lol: :lol:
 
Econ101 said:
The cattle in question could easily have been traced back to the Canadian border with their documentation and eartags if the Canadian ID system is all it is said to be.

I'm a little confused by this Econ. The animals were identified as Canadian immediately by Swift. They contacted the USDA, who got ahold ahold of Canadian officials who confirmed the tags as being appropriately registered. Thats as much information as can be legally released. Our ID system does not currently have tracking functionality. But the border papers were in order and found.

So I'm really not seeing how there is any Canadian culpability in this situation.

And I for one would really like to know the name of the auction market where those calves were purchased. I would also like to know if Van Dykes know what a Canadian CCIA tag looks like. I would also like to ask Van Dykes why they would even buy Canadian calves at an auction market, knowing full well that they aren't legal for purchase.

Rod
 
Son of Van Dyke: In the weeks to follow we started to contact lawyers on where our legal stance was, and also our state representives in D.C. As you all know, Senator Tim Johnson became ill, Stephanie Herseth became engaged and I guess John Thune didn't care because neither he or his staff would contact us back. What we did learn from the representative aids is that they couldn't do anything once there is a lawsuit filed. That meant we either had to hire a lawyer and sue somebody or else play the political game and hope our representatives would come to our aid. That is when we turned to someone who would listen to our complaint. The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association, and R-CALF were interested in the situation and wanted to help us get our money that we had lost. We agreed that SDSGA could release the story to the media. The first story released read:

This is the guy we are to believe didn't care enough about the BSE issue to call you back?


The Associated Press reports Sen. John Thune (R-SD) is also looking at "legislative options" to see what can be done to prevent the border from opening to Canadian cattle. Thune has asked President Bush to maintain the border closure for now.

He is looking for ways to keep the border closed and he didn't care enough about 7 Canadian cattle being illegally sold through his States sale barn system to look into the issue. :roll:

And I would suggest if Miss Stephanie Herseth's engagement kept her from doing her job and representing her constituents by looking into this for you, she need to be voted out in the next election. :wink:

Red Flags Sandhusker
 

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