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Oldtimer said:
Yep -- He's supposed to be taking advice from Barrister mwj- who don't even know what a stockyards receipt description looks like :wink: :lol: :lol:
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OT get those glasses checked before you wreck the wifes car :wink: When you were in law enforcement were there a list of meanings for the words no and none :roll: Please share those meanings with me. If you were investigating a cattle id case and someone told you they had pictures of the cattle and then at a later date told you they were blackandwhite

thumbnail'' photos of ears you would have no further questions? I guess it maybe a good thing you took early retirement :shock:
 
mwj said:
Oldtimer said:
Yep -- He's supposed to be taking advice from Barrister mwj- who don't even know what a stockyards receipt description looks like :wink: :lol: :lol:
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OT get those glasses checked before you wreck the wifes car :wink: When you were in law enforcement were there a list of meanings for the words no and none :roll: Please share those meanings with me. If you were investigating a cattle id case and someone told you they had pictures of the cattle and then at a later date told you they were blackandwhite

thumbnail'' photos of ears you would have no further questions? I guess it maybe a good thing you took early retirement :shock:
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Well some of your dumb comments have led me to believe the only cow you've ever saw was on a plate- and the only stockyards you've seen was in Chicago... :roll: Everyone that has been to a stockyards knows what the descriptions are on your receipts- but the way you carried on about this fancy law you found most of us thought you expected to have a 3 view photo too :roll: And they could about be described as none when dealing with a couple hundred blk strs.....
 
Say mwj, you have a APHIS vet in your own state ,Dr.John Wiemers, He works with Dr. John Clifford at APHIS why don't you ask him what he knows about this Canadian Cattle mixup. you can find his phone number on the internet . You might get a answer.
 
The owner of the cattle is the one that started this thread to give us the info. His statements should be the ones to look at not the ones given by cheerleaders. He should state facts and not expect people to read between the lines. Porker you are a big fan of a certain private ID co. and I would guess if they use the word NONE you would not have to guess what they were saying. You of all people should understand what I am getting at. If one of OT horse customers went to look at pictures of the horses on his web page and found a ''thumbnail'' photo of an ear should OT feel outrage if they were to question the ''picture'' :roll: When I start a thread to answer questions I would not be ''pissed'' because people expect to get ''answers''
 
mwj said:
The owner of the cattle is the one that started this thread to give us the info. His statements should be the ones to look at not the ones given by cheerleaders. He should state facts and not expect people to read between the lines. Porker you are a big fan of a certain private ID co. and I would guess if they use the word NONE you would not have to guess what they were saying. You of all people should understand what I am getting at. If one of OT horse customers went to look at pictures of the horses on his web page and found a ''thumbnail'' photo of an ear should OT feel outrage if they were to question the ''picture'' :roll: When I start a thread to answer questions I would not be ''p****d'' because people expect to get ''answers''
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I know there's a lot of history between you folks here of banter but mwj I don't think your questions are posed to be helpful as much as they are to discredit van dyke. Try to be a little more discrete in your preconceptions. Some of us are more interested in the way things went than proving our side is correct.
 
Just for information, the last year we did the CAB program. We had 16 head go to slaughter and they forgot to put the eartag in the brisket and all data was lost. So we all got paid a premium even though our cattle may not of graded CAB.
And sometimes around here we don't get jobs done like branding and cateration like we should...... But we would never think that there would be a reason too like canadian cattle..... Plus east river is nonbrand inspection so why brand when you don't need too? WE have to have a shippers agreement to go to Nebraska can't even unload untill this is presented... My question is, do you have to have a shippers agreement east river??? Does anyone know? Pjoe?? :)
 
You are correct RR. That's what the USDA said they used to trace them back to crossing the border the day before they were slaughtered.Too Many Conflicting Statements from the packer and USDA and Border port of entry. Then Van Dyke claims that they owned those cattle since Febuary and had bought them thru a SD sale barn.

Then SWIFT took them in Nov.

Even a police officer could see through this string of events that someone lied of the dateline of events. No wonder they paid the VanDykes so fast.
 
Texan said:
This is turning into a comedy. Econ giving lessons on Bull Session etiquette. Too funny... :lol:
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Needless to say, this has been a very interesting thread to read.
Van Dyke said he had pictures and would post them if someone told him how. If he wants help posting pictures I think we should offer him that help and load up the photos!

I would like to see this settled and the absolute truth be told. But most likely we will never know.
 
cert said:
Texan said:
This is turning into a comedy. Econ giving lessons on Bull Session etiquette. Too funny... :lol:
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Needless to say, this has been a very interesting thread to read.
Van Dyke said he had pictures and would post them if someone told him how. If he wants help posting pictures I think we should offer him that help and load up the photos!

I would like to see this settled and the absolute truth be told. But most likely we will never know.
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Thanks for saying that. My GUESS is that you will have a long wait :roll:
 
Question, Since there was a Canadian tag that had the word HORN written on it . Any chance that there are 2-3 Canadians Ranches under the name of Horn and or Brokers/Exporters,maybe a trucking firm called Horn ,or a order buyer called Horn .
 
PORKER said:
Question, Since there was a Canadian tag that had the word HORN written on it . Any chance that there are 2-3 Canadians Ranches under the name of Horn and or Brokers/Exporters,maybe a trucking firm called Horn ,or a order buyer called Horn .
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These are what Canadian RFID tags look like:
http://www.canadaid.ca/RFID%20Tags.pdf

They look nothing like a standard tag, as such they will stand out in a crowd of tags. They are done that way specifically so that auction markets can easily tell if an animal is tagged or not and so that processors don't have to spend hours looking for them.

For anyone to miss them would require negligence beyond belief.

As for the Horn ear tag, who knows? But if it was a Canadian tag, now we have TWO tags in the ears of these calves, and everyone was able to miss them?

Rod
 
Everyone could see through this string of events that someone lied of the dateline of events.

Reason was VanDykes purchased the Canadian cattle unknownly in Feb. 2006 from local sale barns.

VanDykes owned and fed those cattle for 10 months.

USDA claims the fat cattle entered the US going to SWIFT a few hours before slaughter. WRONG

Vet says he sees papers from port of entry that were of that specific date. WRONG

SWIFT says CATTLE were brought in by VanDykes. RIGHT

SWIFT says Some of VanDykes cattle had Canadian tags .RIGHT

SO WHO is LIEING ,IT's EASY

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Porker; So now you are saying that Canadian authorities and USDA are lying about the fed cattle entering the states for slaughter. You are an idiot of the first degree. These slaughter cattle carried ID tags that are part of a whole industry mandatory system that has been proven to work exceptionaly well. CCIA has a proven system not something like your scoring. dot con system that you shamelessly flog every other post.
You also demanded in another post that Canada's ID system be opened up to anyone to check; WELL we have a system that demands integrity and security: obviously that eliminates you and the company you supposedly work for! :mad:
 
Van Dyke said:
I can post the pics if you tell me how.
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That sounds like a real good idea - I know most of us would really like to see them. Here's the instructions:

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6648
 
So now you are saying that Canadian authorities, No you did!!!
I said that the Canadian cattle were tagged Before Feb 2006 if you can read.Depends on their weight when they were sold through the sale ring to the VanDykes in Feb.2006 to be close on their age,most likely Fall 2005 calves.
 
If they are posted you will see the pics of the TAGS that swift sent them unless I miss my guess. Everyone has been on my but for doging Vandyke to get a straight answer but what he passes out for answers are far from it. A person can claim anything he wants but he needs proof for the claims or he has nothing.
 
PORKER said:
So now you are saying that Canadian authorities, No you did!!!
I said that the Canadian cattle were tagged Before Feb 2006 if you can read.Depends on their weight when they were sold through the sale ring to the VanDykes in Feb.2006 to be close on their age,most likely Fall 2005 calves.
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Porker what are you trying to say in this post?
Cattle in Canada have to be tagged before they leave the farm of origin at any age. .The tags would have been checked when they were being readied for the border. Any animal that was to be fed in the USA would also be wearing a HOT iron brand. Fat cattle in sealed trucks do not have to be branded. Feeder cattle bought by Van Dykes would have been wearing a brand. VanDyke said they weren't.
 
So Son of Van Dyke posts the picture so we can all see that SWIFT had pictures of Canadian ear tags SO WHAT. What is in question is the story about Jan Van Dyke owning those cattle. Now if Son of Van Dyke could post pictures of these cattle wearing Canadian tag at the Van Dyke place then he would have something. But pictures of tags he can describe AFTER THE FACT proves NOTHING.
 

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