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Bell Ranch, An uncertain future

southwestcwby said:
I am sorry but did i miss something ? Did you just call 3000 acres a ranch ?
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ranch [ ranch ]


noun (plural ranch·es)

Definition:

1. livestock farm on rangeland: a farm where cattle, sheep, horses, or other livestock are raised on large tracts of open land, especially in North and South America and Australia
 
kolanuraven said:
southwestcwby said:
kolanuraven As soon as you and Faster horses jumped right in after what i had said about the 3000 acre ranch , i started receiving personal messages .

Like i said i didn't know that i had sent that to you until it was already sent i didn't know that was your personal message link ! You are like a high school kid aren't you .

Do you have nothing better to do than to troll the board and jump down peoples throats ? Is your life really that bad ? I am sorry if it is , but maybe you should seek help . Instead of jumping on people on the computer . Trust me life isn't that bad .

I feel like i am talking to my 10 year old niece and thats just sad . If you need someone to talk to you can personal message me anytime , i don't know you but i will sure lend you a listening ear .
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<<<<yawn>>>>


Such a cry baby to be a big bad SW cowboy. We all been told they are the toughest kind made!!!


Either leave or hush up and grow up.
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Grow up ? Maybe you should take your own advice . I came in here to just visit with people and you start all of this . Aren't you so proud of yourself . Don't worry you can reply and i wont say any more on the subject cause i know how low self esteem folks such as yourself have to have the last word . So have at it . Like you have been doing all along . Just make sure and say something real smart .


It must be painful being you , sitting around your house at night cold and lonely who knows how many husbands have run off and left you . Its a sad life and i feel for you . But man your really getting me back on here and that just makes your day . Well i am very proud of you . Keep up the good work , life will get better . I will remember you in my prayers tonight .
 
Yeah i am sorry if i offended anyone with the whole 3000 acres being a ranch thing .

I have never been back east . Here 3000 acres could hardly be called a homestead . Now how many head will that 3000 acres run year around with no other supplement other than just salt or protein blocks ?
 
cowmangler--cowmangler----cowmangler--You just can't do without us...If it was anyone else we would feel honored to have you so caring and envious..... :P :wink: :lol:
 
southwestcwby said:
Yeah i am sorry if i offended anyone with the whole 3000 acres being a ranch thing .

I have never been back east . Here 3000 acres could hardly be called a homestead . Now how many head will that 3000 acres run year around with no other supplement other than just salt or protein blocks ?
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Here it will handle 300 cows but you need to bale hay all of which will come off of the 3000 acre's.
 
southwestcwby said:
If you didn't get any big snow and didn't put up any hay what would a place that size run year around . I am talking strictly cattle no farming or irrigating?
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and after Hillery gets in and kick everybody off of Forest Service and BLM be even less cows in Az.
 
Yeah Jody i don't see that happening . You can have high hopes for her i guess i wont hold that against you :D .

I am just very interested in the fertile ground back east and how many cows it will run without farming . I am in no way trying to be a smart a**
 
jodywy said:
Deseret Ranch St Cloud Florida , 300,000 acres , 44,000 cows.
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Jody, I realize that you are of the Mormon faith. The Deseret Ranch is owned by the Mormon Church. Does it ever bother you, as a Mormon rancher, to have your Church (that you support with tithes and offerings) being in direct competition with you in the cattle business?

Maybe I am looking at this whole scenario in the wrong light, but that thought has occurred to me.
 
It's no different than, for example, the man who might own the local feed store, whom you'd support with your purchases, owing his own herd of cattle.


Competition makes a healthly market!


I know...I know...you didn't ask ME!!!! :lol:
 
southwestcwby said:
If you didn't get any big snow and didn't put up any hay what would a place that size run year around . I am talking strictly cattle no farming or irrigating?
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Most likely 150 the grass grows fast here then it dies and the heavy fall rain's beat all the leaves off it and all you would have is stem's.Most guy's take a cutting of hay they pasture the hay fields from August 15th until its gone.Also there are no wide open spaces here and no BLM or Government land you have to make due with all private owned grond.

What guy's like you don't understand is that for every ranch that can get by on no hay or farming there's alot more that need to.I would love to not ride a tractor but here it is not practical.It snow's and it rain's in December and January some times and we get a sheet of ice on everything last winter it was 3" thick.Alot of times it makes more sense finacially to say plant corn and chop it for silage 40 acres here can put up 15 ton per acre 600 ton of silage will go along way's here.I would have about $6000 into the whole pile how much range cake would that buy?We in turn bale alot of lowground meadow hay which produces well but you cant get a cow to eat it in the summer and it would be very poor if left until fall to graze.You had better like chaseing cows because they will crawl fences before they would eat it.If you bale it they will eat it once the snow comes.We all make due with what we have it does'nt make one of us wrong or right.

To tell the truth if I had to get up every day and saddle a horse It would get old after a while.And I like rideing horse alot.
 
kolanuraven said:
It's no different than, for example, the man who might own the local feed store, whom you'd support with your purchases, owing his own herd of cattle.


Competition makes a healthly market!


I know...I know...you didn't ask ME!!!! :lol:
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It is a public forum, so any input is encouraged. :wink:

To my way of thinking, any church's main calling is to feed people spiritual nourishment. The duty of their congregation is to pursue the day-to-day obligations of life, make an honest living, and with their tithes and offerings support the church.

Yes, sometimes it is necessary to feed peoples' bodies first, so that their hunger pangs aren't standing in the way of them receiving spiritual nourishment. This can be done with donations of food and money to buy food. It doesn't mean that the Church should have to own ranches, to raise calves, that become fat cattle, to be butchered and processed for meat, to have meat to feed spiritually hungry people.

A church owning ranches is akin to the government owning ranches. It almost becomes a communistic enterprise. It is as if the church (or the government) doesn't think individual ranching enterprises are smart enough to know how to run their own outfits.

With the church having so much money from so many resources, they are able to afford to buy ranches that ordinary hard-working private ranchers can't. It is a trend that I don't think is in the best interest of America.

I wouldn't want the Methodists, the Baptists, or the Catholics to own ranches, and I don't think the Mormons should feel the need to do so, either.
 
Soap, what about the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites who own and operate ag land, equipment, etc in a "communistic" fashion. (not in a political sense) Their communal lifestyle is part of their religion. Communal ownership looks to me like it is a key part of that.

IMO, churches engaged in ag or commercial operations for profit should have to pay any applicable taxes that any private or corporate owner would pay. Tax exempt status should be reserved only for their houses of worship and cemetaries.

Kola, I do agree with you on the competition thing. What about the rancher who sells feed as a sideline?
 

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