A guys cow gets out,gets into the nieghbors field and you can somehow blame Ted Turner for this :???: Why should a guy on his day off help a guy who can't keep his cattle in his own field???CattleArmy said:Soapweed said:My questions were fairly well answered. I don't necessarily like the fact that all of these great reputation Sandhills ranches are being bought up by Ted Turner and the Mormons, but realize there is not too much that can be done about it. Maybe I should just sell out to Turner and become a Mormon. Then everything would be hunky-dory. :? :wink:
I agree that whoever has the bucks buys the ranches. One thing that would not be justifiable (in my book :roll: ) would be for Mr. Turner to introduce prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions to his properties just because he has the "right" to do so. His ranches have excellent buffalo proof fences, but I'll guarantee they would not stop prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions from becoming a problem to his neighbors.
Carry on, folks. Don't mind me.
His fences are buffalo proff but somehow not cow proff. A few months ago one of the neighbors cows made it on to Turner. The gates are locked and there was no water. The neighbor called up to the manager and only got his wife. The manager wasn't taking calls today as it was his day off. The neighbor then told about his cows being in that pasture and not only were they in on Turners grass but there was no water and so he knew he needed to get them out. The managers wife told him once again it was not a working day. The neighbor said they had an hour to get down there and unlock the gate or his John Deer was going through the fence. Evidentally Turners help can go out on a nonwork day. :wink: Evidentally what holds buffalo in doesn't hold cows who want in bad enough out. :?
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Because its the neighborly thing to do thats why he should get off his lazy a** and help . Specially when there are cows hung up without water . I don't know the man but i really doubt the feller would have called the foreman if he could have got in there without having to have a key . See thats the mentality of folks now days that totally ruins what our grandfathers and great grandfathers worked so hard to make . No one wants to be neighborly anymore . They say the hell with the feller down the road i do my own thing and he does his . And lock everything up tighter than a frogs ash cause everyone is out to get me . And oh my god the sky is falling cause i am running a ranch and someone called on my day off . Sounds like that guy needs a new occupation . Someone hasn't filled him in on the goings on on a ranch i guess . :???:
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Mrs.Greg said:A guys cow gets out,gets into the nieghbors field and you can somehow blame Ted Turner for this :???: Why should a guy on his day off help a guy who can't keep his cattle in his own field???CattleArmy said:Soapweed said:My questions were fairly well answered. I don't necessarily like the fact that all of these great reputation Sandhills ranches are being bought up by Ted Turner and the Mormons, but realize there is not too much that can be done about it. Maybe I should just sell out to Turner and become a Mormon. Then everything would be hunky-dory. :? :wink:
I agree that whoever has the bucks buys the ranches. One thing that would not be justifiable (in my book :roll: ) would be for Mr. Turner to introduce prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions to his properties just because he has the "right" to do so. His ranches have excellent buffalo proof fences, but I'll guarantee they would not stop prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions from becoming a problem to his neighbors.
Carry on, folks. Don't mind me.
His fences are buffalo proff but somehow not cow proff. A few months ago one of the neighbors cows made it on to Turner. The gates are locked and there was no water. The neighbor called up to the manager and only got his wife. The manager wasn't taking calls today as it was his day off. The neighbor then told about his cows being in that pasture and not only were they in on Turners grass but there was no water and so he knew he needed to get them out. The managers wife told him once again it was not a working day. The neighbor said they had an hour to get down there and unlock the gate or his John Deer was going through the fence. Evidentally Turners help can go out on a nonwork day. :wink: Evidentally what holds buffalo in doesn't hold cows who want in bad enough out. :?
First off we are ranchers not farmers they are pastures not fields. Second off the neighbor would have just got his cows out of the pasture except one small thing..........the gates are locked tight and he doesn't have a key.
Easy to jump on the ole he should do this and that without putting yourself in that place. Would any cow person want their cows locked in someone else's pasture without water? If so that person isn't a cowman or woman. Second of all the part I guess some just don't get is Turner put in the fence not any of us. It surrounds some and yet they are not to touch it and when cows get in it a person can't even get them out (refer to my statement that the gates are locked). As of yet Ted isn't handing out any keys so the only thing any of us can do is call his help.
I guess it might be nice to live in the perfect world where cows don't get out.
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Mrs.Greg said:A guys cow gets out,gets into the nieghbors field and you can somehow blame Ted Turner for this :???: Why should a guy on his day off help a guy who can't keep his cattle in his own field???CattleArmy said:Soapweed said:My questions were fairly well answered. I don't necessarily like the fact that all of these great reputation Sandhills ranches are being bought up by Ted Turner and the Mormons, but realize there is not too much that can be done about it. Maybe I should just sell out to Turner and become a Mormon. Then everything would be hunky-dory. :? :wink:
I agree that whoever has the bucks buys the ranches. One thing that would not be justifiable (in my book :roll: ) would be for Mr. Turner to introduce prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions to his properties just because he has the "right" to do so. His ranches have excellent buffalo proof fences, but I'll guarantee they would not stop prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions from becoming a problem to his neighbors.
Carry on, folks. Don't mind me.
His fences are buffalo proff but somehow not cow proff. A few months ago one of the neighbors cows made it on to Turner. The gates are locked and there was no water. The neighbor called up to the manager and only got his wife. The manager wasn't taking calls today as it was his day off. The neighbor then told about his cows being in that pasture and not only were they in on Turners grass but there was no water and so he knew he needed to get them out. The managers wife told him once again it was not a working day. The neighbor said they had an hour to get down there and unlock the gate or his John Deer was going through the fence. Evidentally Turners help can go out on a nonwork day. :wink: Evidentally what holds buffalo in doesn't hold cows who want in bad enough out. :?
First off we are ranchers not farmers they are pastures not fields. Second off the neighbor would have just got his cows out of the pasture except one small thing..........the gates are locked tight and he doesn't have a key.
Easy to jump on the ole he should do this and that without putting yourself in that place. Would any cow person want their cows locked in someone else's pasture without water? If so that person isn't a cowman or woman. Second of all the part I guess some just don't get is Turner put in the fence not any of us. It surrounds some and yet they are not to touch it and when cows get in it a person can't even get them out (refer to my statement that the gates are locked). As of yet Ted isn't handing out any keys so the only thing any of us can do is call his help.
I guess it might be nice to live in the perfect world where cows don't get out.
Next.............
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Mrs.Greg said:A guys cow gets out,gets into the nieghbors field and you can somehow blame Ted Turner for this :???: Why should a guy on his day off help a guy who can't keep his cattle in his own field???CattleArmy said:Soapweed said:My questions were fairly well answered. I don't necessarily like the fact that all of these great reputation Sandhills ranches are being bought up by Ted Turner and the Mormons, but realize there is not too much that can be done about it. Maybe I should just sell out to Turner and become a Mormon. Then everything would be hunky-dory. :? :wink:
I agree that whoever has the bucks buys the ranches. One thing that would not be justifiable (in my book :roll: ) would be for Mr. Turner to introduce prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions to his properties just because he has the "right" to do so. His ranches have excellent buffalo proof fences, but I'll guarantee they would not stop prairie dogs, wolves, or mountain lions from becoming a problem to his neighbors.
Carry on, folks. Don't mind me.
His fences are buffalo proff but somehow not cow proff. A few months ago one of the neighbors cows made it on to Turner. The gates are locked and there was no water. The neighbor called up to the manager and only got his wife. The manager wasn't taking calls today as it was his day off. The neighbor then told about his cows being in that pasture and not only were they in on Turners grass but there was no water and so he knew he needed to get them out. The managers wife told him once again it was not a working day. The neighbor said they had an hour to get down there and unlock the gate or his John Deer was going through the fence. Evidentally Turners help can go out on a nonwork day. :wink: Evidentally what holds buffalo in doesn't hold cows who want in bad enough out. :?
First off we are ranchers not farmers they are pastures not fields. Second off the neighbor would have just got his cows out of the pasture except one small thing..........the gates are locked tight and he doesn't have a key.
Easy to jump on the ole he should do this and that without putting yourself in that place. Would any cow person want their cows locked in someone else's pasture without water? If so that person isn't a cowman or woman. Second of all the part I guess some just don't get is Turner put in the fence not any of us. It surrounds some and yet they are not to touch it and when cows get in it a person can't even get them out (refer to my statement that the gates are locked). As of yet Ted isn't handing out any keys so the only thing any of us can do is call his help.
I guess it might be nice to live in the perfect world where cows don't get out.
Next.............
First off SWC says your not ranchers....not enough acres. Second off,fields often don't have water pasture DO.I think if your going to keep animals its imperative theres water,if not THEN you have a case against Turner.I'm kinda thinking Turners not the ONLY one being un nieghborlyCattleArmy said:
This whole whine cry about Ted Turners getting old....lands For Sale Buy it,if you can't try being a good neighbor maybe they'll be a good nieghbor back.Weird if we buy land we fence it,just the way us RANCHERS do things in these parts,we try keeping our animals in the neighbors out.
I'm totally serious,just what does all this I hate Ted Turner get any of you,your not buying the land....whos to put restrictions on who does and doesn't buy the land,same with the Mormon church,they bought or had donated what they have...what REALLY is the problam
SWC...say Hi to JB,tell him to Cowboy-up and get back into some of these debates
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Well for one i don't know who Jb is and for another why are you trying to drag me into your little fight . I didn't say anything other than its the neighborly thing to do is to get off your fat a** and help once in a while . If you have to ask why a guy should have to do anything on his day off you have never been around livestock . Some of you folks jump to allot of conclusions about things you have no knowledge of . Whats that thing that your buddy said about keeping your mouth shut cause your an ash ?
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Mrs.Greg said:First off SWC says your not ranchers....not enough acres. Second off,fields often don't have water pasture DO.I think if your going to keep animals its imperative theres water,if not THEN you have a case against Turner.I'm kinda thinking Turners not the ONLY one being un nieghborlyCattleArmy said:
This whole whine cry about Ted Turners getting old....lands For Sale Buy it,if you can't try being a good neighbor maybe they'll be a good nieghbor back.Weird if we buy land we fence it,just the way us RANCHERS do things in these parts,we try keeping our animals in the neighbors out.
I'm totally serious,just what does all this I hate Ted Turner get any of you,your not buying the land....whos to put restrictions on who does and doesn't buy the land,same with the Mormon church,they bought or had donated what they have...what REALLY is the problam
SWC...say Hi to JB,tell him to Cowboy-up and get back into some of these debates
I wouldn't know about fields repeating myself not a farmer.........
We are ranchers we ranch more then 3000 acres.
I don't think I have ever typed I hate Ted Turner. I don't like what is happening to the country around me. Plus if you ever read a post without over reacting to it you'd see I think I typed positive business relations with the Mormons. Plus the Mormons in this country are involved in the community.
If we are all telling each other what we should get over and are tired of reading the whole JB, Arizona cowpuncher or whatever his name was is old to. After all it's an open forum and who ever wants to on the world wide web can post here. Ever just stop and think that someone with views like those two might have found this site? Plus when I first started at this site you all sang the praises of JB and now??? Guess it's kinda like my change of view of Turner huh. As for my thoughts as if they matter I hope JB and AZ are enjoying their new site. Isn't all this for entertainment and sharing. Possibly even learning? So if they found that somewhere else good for them. Seems good for you guys to that they are gone so once again why is it still being brought up?
Some people take this all to serious and at times I can be one of them and have to remind myself that it's the web and some wackos have internet access the only thing that screws me from being bigger and more then I am or acting like a true jacka$$ is that I have to run into some of the fellow posters in town. :wink:
Do us both a big flipping favor and when you read my name just skip over it................
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greg or what ever your name is you must be smoking some good stuff you should share with the group .
I stepped in cause it was kind of a stupid thing to ask why a neighbor should get up and help another on his day off . Common sense just answers the question for you . You sleeping with Ted Turner by the way ? You sure do stick up for him . Gotta a Turner lover here and a clinton lover wow what a deal .
I stepped in cause it was kind of a stupid thing to ask why a neighbor should get up and help another on his day off . Common sense just answers the question for you . You sleeping with Ted Turner by the way ? You sure do stick up for him . Gotta a Turner lover here and a clinton lover wow what a deal .
CRM....stop pouting because you don't like someone putting facts to your face.You take RR to task because he doesn't like the Ford deal thing,to the point of putting Go ford on your posts....thats OK but someone takes you to task over your posts you act like a little girl...grow-up if your posting on here expect answers to them.
As for your BS I dislike JB...wrong never said a word against him and think he should come back.
As for your BS I dislike JB...wrong never said a word against him and think he should come back.
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greg or what ever your name is you must be smoking some good stuff you should share with the group .
I stepped in cause it was kind of a stupid thing to ask why a neighbor should get up and help another on his day off . Common sense just answers the question for you . You sleeping with Ted Turner by the way ? You sure do stick up for him . Gotta a Turner lover here and a clinton lover wow what a deal .
I stepped in cause it was kind of a stupid thing to ask why a neighbor should get up and help another on his day off . Common sense just answers the question for you . You sleeping with Ted Turner by the way ? You sure do stick up for him . Gotta a Turner lover here and a clinton lover wow what a deal .
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Never said I like Kinton, Gee is a local Republican precint commettemen
I think that there should be a big concern over what a person does with the land thats bought? For instance the people of a small community in the middle of B.C where up in arms when The G.V.R.D bought land on the outskirts of thier community...The reason for the purchase was so they could truck the G.V.R.D's cities garbage there..As all dumps are now full here most garbage is being trucked or by transported by train to so called "land fill sites" throughout BC and ALberta...I believe the one site of which I speak is now full to capacity and more land is being sought....So if the price of garbage removal becomes high,then maybe some of these land barrens will sell to the higest bidder.....Now i am not sure how good it is to live beside a dump,I guess if you liked hunting seagulls then it would be ok ,but not something I would like......oh and yes the goverment can change land status....no one is safe....
Ps this is just one example of many negative things that landowners could do...this idea of do with it what you want is a slippery slope....but then again maybe seagull tastes like beef and everyone wins...
Ps this is just one example of many negative things that landowners could do...this idea of do with it what you want is a slippery slope....but then again maybe seagull tastes like beef and everyone wins...
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Things are getting a little rowdy around here! That's allright, we can agree to disagree once in awhile.
Now first of all, I don't own any land or any cows at the present moment so let's get that outta the way. I'm just a lowly steward to the cattle industry, drawing a paycheck from my little corner of it. :wink: Maybe someday I'll get it figured out how to get back to cattle work. That's another story.
But on this land ownership deal, I think it's sure okay to get a little fired up about how much country one entity owns and how that affects the rest of the neighbors. Doesn't really matter if it's Ted Turner or Tina Turner, it can't be healthy for that entity to own an extremely huge portion of a certain area. I'm not saying that it should be illegal or a sin or anything, but it does become a concern to what's healthy for the area. Just because something isn't wrong doesn't mean there's a whole lot right about it. What if Tina Turner owned all of Cherry County Nebraska? Would that be a good situation? Can't see how it would be. It's just a little concerning when the rich own such a huge portion of any asset, but particularly land. Gee whiz, you don't have to hate someone to be fairly concerned about what's going on and some trends that are developing. Just seems like living in a nice area and wanting to run some cows shouldn't be an exclusive club that only the rich can afford. I know that my idealistic view of the topic is way far off of reality, but I'll bet there are many ranchers and non-ranchers alike that would like to see more opportunity for more people to pariticipate in the game.
As far as a ranch manager or employee not being willing to open a gate so someone can get their cattle back to the right spot on their day off, well that's just crazy. Doesn't seem like that's very neighborly at all and darn sure doesn't fit the stockman's code when there's no water inside the fence.
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Now first of all, I don't own any land or any cows at the present moment so let's get that outta the way. I'm just a lowly steward to the cattle industry, drawing a paycheck from my little corner of it. :wink: Maybe someday I'll get it figured out how to get back to cattle work. That's another story.
But on this land ownership deal, I think it's sure okay to get a little fired up about how much country one entity owns and how that affects the rest of the neighbors. Doesn't really matter if it's Ted Turner or Tina Turner, it can't be healthy for that entity to own an extremely huge portion of a certain area. I'm not saying that it should be illegal or a sin or anything, but it does become a concern to what's healthy for the area. Just because something isn't wrong doesn't mean there's a whole lot right about it. What if Tina Turner owned all of Cherry County Nebraska? Would that be a good situation? Can't see how it would be. It's just a little concerning when the rich own such a huge portion of any asset, but particularly land. Gee whiz, you don't have to hate someone to be fairly concerned about what's going on and some trends that are developing. Just seems like living in a nice area and wanting to run some cows shouldn't be an exclusive club that only the rich can afford. I know that my idealistic view of the topic is way far off of reality, but I'll bet there are many ranchers and non-ranchers alike that would like to see more opportunity for more people to pariticipate in the game.
As far as a ranch manager or employee not being willing to open a gate so someone can get their cattle back to the right spot on their day off, well that's just crazy. Doesn't seem like that's very neighborly at all and darn sure doesn't fit the stockman's code when there's no water inside the fence.
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Why do so many ' conservative' people/rancher/ farmer alike here seem to have such a HUGE problem with the Free Market economy?
Isn't that the dogma/doctrine of the Conservative lifestyle....let the private sector take care of itself and rule itself, be it land, apples, oranges corn or cars?
You want govt alloted farms then? Where the land is taken away from the large land owners and alloted with a certain amt only allowed for certain people for certain uses?
That's what most of you are advocating with your jealousy of who owns what and how much!
Isn't that the dogma/doctrine of the Conservative lifestyle....let the private sector take care of itself and rule itself, be it land, apples, oranges corn or cars?
You want govt alloted farms then? Where the land is taken away from the large land owners and alloted with a certain amt only allowed for certain people for certain uses?
That's what most of you are advocating with your jealousy of who owns what and how much!
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The locked gate issue been easy here just calls the brand inspector. Yes there are laws about breech cattle and you can charge yardage when the owner slow to get them. But keeping an owner away from his cattle thru a locked gate, even if it was a breech cow can be considered rustling by refusing to let the owner come move it by refusing to open the locked gate. But then laws differ state to state.
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Kola, if you're including me in the group that you mention just let me say, "nope". I made it plain that I don't think there should be any law to obstruct someone's right to own the land or do as they wish. I'm just stating that there's not a lot that's necessarily right about the situation. I'm not going to sling mud or start hating Ted Turner for owning a bunch of land. He paid for it and it's his, good for him. At the same time, I'm not going to slap him on the back and give him an "Atta boy!". It would just be a nice prospect to think that a person could buy some land and even come within a mile of paying for it with the production from that land. It would be healthy for all of these rural communities if there were more people that could make a go of it. We'd have a lot more nice little towns out in these great big areas where a cow can be raised. I can't think of a single mandate right at the moment that I wish the government to impose on who can own the land. It'd just be a real blessing if folks that physically wanted to live on the land and work at it themselves and put their heart and soul into it as a business owner could do so. Yeah, I know, everybody has the same equal opportunity. My calculator just won't come up with the right numbers to prove that out. Guess I was naive enough to always work in the cattle business instead of going off and making some big money in another endeavor so that I could own a cattle business. That's alright! No big deal! I'm not mad at anybody or jealous of anybody. Just thinking about a situation that would be kind of fun and just maybe a better model for a good number of folks, if only it were realistic in today's economics of agriculture.
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