Ben, the master plan

[Ben Roberts]

A Canadian feeder selling cattle, to an American packer in Canada, and that packer shipping that beef, after it has been cut into primals to the USA in a box labeled PRODUCT OF CANADA,
****** Canada is already doing COOL as its labeled, but without a Animal ID tied to a peice of Beef.

USDA inspected at the border by US Customs,****** They look at the paperwork and wave a Magic wand and Say OK


delivered to wholesale warehouse in the USA, *******To be cut into CASE ready Beef Cuts Thats Missing A Canadian Maple Leaf or Hamburger with 1/3 Aussie,1/4 whatever TRIM and no ID.(NO IDEA)


then delivered to a retail store, ******* at the latest Green sheet wholesale price list with NO Canadian Maple Leaf or animal ID.

there the box of primals opened, cut into retail cuts *******as USA beef sold to Customers unknowling of its ORIGIN.


and displayed in a meat case for sale with a US inspected stamp on the package? Remember the Magic Wand! ****** IT 's the Normal way. But how do you tell if it's fed Barley and it was a steer and it was a Angus or a Belted breed.

Let me take a wild guess here-----------ScoringAg

Porker, I don't want more regulations in my life, i'm trying to get rid of some of the ones I have now! They come with too high of a price!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[mrj]

Ben, when you make such a claim against NCBA or any other organization, we who read such claims deserve to be shown, with verification, exactly HOW that control is accomplished.

Last time I checked (within the past year), NCBA was controlled by the voting members, predominantly cow/cow calf/stocker operators, with cattle feeders second in number, and packers having a very small number of members, certainly not enough for control.

mrj

 

[Anonymous]

Ben, when you make such a claim against NCBA or any other organization, we who read such claims deserve to be shown, with verification, exactly HOW that control is accomplished.

Last time I checked (within the past year), NCBA was controlled by the voting members, predominantly cow/cow calf/stocker operators, with cattle feeders second in number, and packers having a very small number of members, certainly not enough for control.

mrj

Maxine-- Are you saying that you, who are the expert of all experts in the Packer situation- cattle marketing- and your NCBA's operation, hasn't read Ben's book and learned the history of how the Packers control this industry along with the NCBA :???: :roll:

 

[mrj]

Yep, I've read the book. It is one mans opinion, and contains some interesting conjectures. That does not mean it is absolute gospel, however, except to those who choose to believe all is evil in the government, packing, corporate world, and all cattle producers are pristinely honest.

I know I'm honest, I think Ben is honest in that he believes what he believes. You, I'm not so sure about.....with cause.

For just one thing, you persist is saying things about me that are not true.

I have NEVER claimed to be an "expert" on anything, least of all cattle marketing. Your assertion to that effect is an absolute lie!

While I do know quite a bit about the NCBA's operation and am very certain that members do control the organization via the ballot, I can understand how Ben might imagine what he believes about NCBA to be true. If he has not been active in that organization, he cannot truly know what is in the hearts and minds of those people who HAVE been active in it.

Over many years, we have found leaders in NCBA to be devoted to the cattle industry and to the cattle producer members of that organization, and of this nation, above all others. Until there is solid evidence to the contrary, my assessment stands.

What you or others choose to believe seems clearly to have more to do with your agenda against NCBA than any basis in reality, excepting in Bens', case I really think he believes his version, maybe because it serves his vision of a totally different cattle industry structure.

I happen to believe Bens' dream cattle cartel is too utopian, seeming modeled on a cooperative structure, many of which have failed, at least in part due to greed.........on the part of some members, not any corporate powerhouse, in my observation.

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

I beleive most NCBA members, and even leaders, are honest and believe they're doing the industry good - but they've been duped, duped, duped.

 

[Soapweed]

I beleive most NCBA members, and even leaders, are honest and believe they're doing the industry good - but they've been duped, duped, duped.

If you think your darling organization R-Calf is without its flaws, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. :wink:

 

[Mike]

I beleive most NCBA members, and even leaders, are honest and believe they're doing the industry good - but they've been duped, duped, duped.

They just "Weren't listening" to their members. :lol:

 

[Sandhusker]

I beleive most NCBA members, and even leaders, are honest and believe they're doing the industry good - but they've been duped, duped, duped.

If you think your darling organization R-Calf is without its flaws, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. :wink:

Pobody's Nerfect.

 

[Soapweed]

I beleive most NCBA members, and even leaders, are honest and believe they're doing the industry good - but they've been duped, duped, duped.

If you think your darling organization R-Calf is without its flaws, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. :wink:

Pobody's Nerfect.

Good answer.

 

[Sandhusker]

If you think your darling organization R-Calf is without its flaws, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. :wink:

Pobody's Nerfect.

Good answer.

But some are closer than others. :wink:

 

[Soapweed]

Pobody's Nerfect.

Good answer.

But some are closer than others. :wink:

R-CALF, "Our-calf"--it even sounds somewhat Socialistic. :wink:

Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund--give to your favorite lawyer charity. After all, lawyers have to make a living, too.

Sue your way to success. It's the new American way. :?

 

[Sandhusker]

Good answer.

But some are closer than others. :wink:

R-CALF, "Our-calf"--it even sounds somewhat Socialistic. :wink:

Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund--give to your favorite lawyer charity. After all, lawyers have to make a living, too.

Sue your way to success. It's the new American way. :?

Right back at ya; NCBA - National Corporate Beef Assn -- What's good for the big packers is good for! We're all in this together!

Funny how we're 10 miles and a local call from each other but we choose to to our jabbing via an Alabama website! Who says ranchers don't utilize technology? :lol:

 

[mrj]

Guys, some good stuff along with the 'junk' here!

Poor Sandhusker, are you truly so delusional as to believe so many of the top (and I mean quality of cattle businessmen, not necessarily size of herd) cattle producers in the nation are "duped"?

Are you also so delusional as to believe all your "pure" (as differentiated from the new opposition group) R-CALF leaders are top quality in both business and integrity above and beyond NCBA members/leaders as you so often infer?

Would you also post for our enlightenment the actual number of "corporate" ranching operations, other than family businesses with those families providing most of the management and labor? I think study would reveal that "corporate take over of US farms" is more of a myth than fact! Individuals like Ted Turner, and others buying up our land at prices agriculture could never afford are more of a threat, IMO, to our food independence than are so called corporate farms needing to pay for land they buy with what it can produce. Turner and a few other big players like him will most likely end up selling their land into some conservation/tax dodge scheme and it will end up in some form of government ownership, again, IMO.

Soapweed, you hit the nail so squarely in your posts!

Mike, you have really worn out that quote! It would be mighty tough to find leaders who have listened to members MORE than have NCBA leaders, including Jan Lyons. Contrast the quick acceptance of POSSIBLE blame for a PERCIEVED problem by that LADY with the bull-dozer like demand of R-CALF leaders to make all their FELLOW directors toe the 'party line' and out with those who dissent the least bit!!!!

Mike, I do appreciate your on the comment on previous page re. COOL. Add the fact that anyone now choosing to identify and differentiate their product is able to do so, we still need a quick, reliable means to ID for health reasons. COOL as it is now will ONLY serve marketing uses, not health, unless ID of US cattle is added to it.

Off to the basketball game summer finale in a couple of hours. See y'all tomorrow.

mrj

 

[Sandhusker]

OK, MRJ, what are you going to do when Tyson, Cargill, et al can buy all the South American beef they want at prices that are less than what you can produce it for? Will NCBA still sit at the same side of the table with them then?

 

[PORKER]

COOL as it is now will ONLY serve marketing uses, not health, unless ID of US cattle is added to it.

Mrj ,Some type of ID has to happen in COOL in order to sell beef ,pork, lamb, etc. The beef package's lot number has to match something !

 

[mrj]

Porker, that has been my contention from the start, and that COOL could do NOTHING beneficial to consumers wishes for SAFER beef without ID of ALL cattle, INCLUDING those born and raised in the USA!

I've stated many times that traceable ID of ALL cattle is necessary, but believe it should be voluntary, just as COOL should, if we (ranchers and consumers alike) are to benefit from it, via better prices for us and better product for them with age and source verified cattle/beef than for non verified.

But the R-CULT bunch does NOT want the "burden" of forcing THEIR cattle to carry ID that is viable after the hide is off!

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

Porker, that has been my contention from the start, and that COOL could do NOTHING beneficial to consumers wishes for SAFER beef without ID of ALL cattle, INCLUDING those born and raised in the USA!

I've stated many times that traceable ID of ALL cattle is necessary, but believe it should be voluntary, just as COOL should, if we (ranchers and consumers alike) are to benefit from it, via better prices for us and better product for them with age and source verified cattle/beef than for non verified.

But the R-CULT bunch does NOT want the "burden" of forcing THEIR cattle to carry ID that is viable after the hide is off!

MRJ

MRJ, what are you and NCBA going to do when Tyson, Cargill, etc... can buy all the South American beef they want at prices less than US producers can produce it for? Will NCBA still sit on the same side of the table as AMI?