TimH
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Sandhusker said:
But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
BSE CASE CONFIRMED IN ALBERTA
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But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
bse-tester
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Kathy wrote:
But Kathy, you make your statements on this board freely and without substance and simply put, by virtue of the fact that not having spent one minute in a prion laboratory as a researcher, you like to speak as if you are the only authority, other than your demi-god Purdey, and you make it clear that it is you who has to have the last word regarding the causes of Prion Disease. So tell us all, what right do you have to argue that which you know absolutely nothing about??
Sure, you can cut & paste partial extracts from studies and you can quote the living daylights out of Purdey, who must surely be spinning in his grave as a result of some of your comments, and you expect everyone here to welcome some of the garbage you put out. Get with the program and give your head a shake. The entire world is not buried under your conspiring mounds of depleted uranium or downwind from reactor fallout.[\b]
Further more, I posed some rather important questions to you not that long ago and you did exactly as predicted - you ran and hid long enough to think that all would blow over and you ignored them intentionally because you could not give any credible answers, and now, here you are, spouting you uselss and misguided crap regarding the causes of prion disease and let us not forget, your truly stupid theories as to where in Alberta the latest case of BSE was found. I find it amazing that you actually believe some of the stuff you post. but then, why wouldn't you?? :roll: :roll: :roll:
But Kathy, you make your statements on this board freely and without substance and simply put, by virtue of the fact that not having spent one minute in a prion laboratory as a researcher, you like to speak as if you are the only authority, other than your demi-god Purdey, and you make it clear that it is you who has to have the last word regarding the causes of Prion Disease. So tell us all, what right do you have to argue that which you know absolutely nothing about??
Sure, you can cut & paste partial extracts from studies and you can quote the living daylights out of Purdey, who must surely be spinning in his grave as a result of some of your comments, and you expect everyone here to welcome some of the garbage you put out. Get with the program and give your head a shake. The entire world is not buried under your conspiring mounds of depleted uranium or downwind from reactor fallout.[\b]
Further more, I posed some rather important questions to you not that long ago and you did exactly as predicted - you ran and hid long enough to think that all would blow over and you ignored them intentionally because you could not give any credible answers, and now, here you are, spouting you uselss and misguided crap regarding the causes of prion disease and let us not forget, your truly stupid theories as to where in Alberta the latest case of BSE was found. I find it amazing that you actually believe some of the stuff you post. but then, why wouldn't you?? :roll: :roll: :roll:
PORKER
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Study highlights milk BSE risk
By Chris Mercer
BSE
milk
EU to review food hygiene laws
All news for December 2007
2007 - Fears that cows with BSE could pass on the disease to humans via proteins in their milk has gained more credence from a new study, which has encouraged stricter analysis of dairy products.
Scientists working for a Swiss biotech firm, Alicon, say they have managed to detect prion proteins in the milk of cows, as well as that of humans, sheep and goats, for the first time.
Some prions are known to cause brain diseases, such as Mad Cow disease (BSE) and its human variant, CJD.
It is hoped the breakthrough in Switzerland will help scientists to better understand whether the prion proteins responsible for BSE are also present in the cow's milk.
Prions were recently found in both pasteurised and homogenised milk on supermarket shelves, using new analytical equipment from Alicon, but it remained unclear whether those detected were harmful or not.
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of a normal variety posing no danger to health," said Dr Ralph Zahn, Alicon's head of research.
But, he warned: "So far there has been no scientific basis for assuming that only 'healthy' prion proteins are present in milk and those causing disease were not."
The Alicon team believes the mere presence of normal prions opens the possibility that disease-carrying prions would also be present in milk from an infected cow.
A rapid test to identify prions in milk is now being developed by the firm, which is a spin-off from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.
The possibility of BSE being passed to humans via milk has been a genuine concern for several years.
Some evidence suggests there may be a risk, according to the UK Food Standards Agency (FSA), although no direct data from controlled experiments exists.
Milk is the only product available for public consumption that is derived from BSE-susceptible animals over thirty months of age.
By Chris Mercer
BSE
milk
EU to review food hygiene laws
All news for December 2007
2007 - Fears that cows with BSE could pass on the disease to humans via proteins in their milk has gained more credence from a new study, which has encouraged stricter analysis of dairy products.
Scientists working for a Swiss biotech firm, Alicon, say they have managed to detect prion proteins in the milk of cows, as well as that of humans, sheep and goats, for the first time.
Some prions are known to cause brain diseases, such as Mad Cow disease (BSE) and its human variant, CJD.
It is hoped the breakthrough in Switzerland will help scientists to better understand whether the prion proteins responsible for BSE are also present in the cow's milk.
Prions were recently found in both pasteurised and homogenised milk on supermarket shelves, using new analytical equipment from Alicon, but it remained unclear whether those detected were harmful or not.
"In the case of the prion proteins detected, it is highly likely that they were of a normal variety posing no danger to health," said Dr Ralph Zahn, Alicon's head of research.
But, he warned: "So far there has been no scientific basis for assuming that only 'healthy' prion proteins are present in milk and those causing disease were not."
The Alicon team believes the mere presence of normal prions opens the possibility that disease-carrying prions would also be present in milk from an infected cow.
A rapid test to identify prions in milk is now being developed by the firm, which is a spin-off from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology.
The possibility of BSE being passed to humans via milk has been a genuine concern for several years.
Some evidence suggests there may be a risk, according to the UK Food Standards Agency (FSA), although no direct data from controlled experiments exists.
Milk is the only product available for public consumption that is derived from BSE-susceptible animals over thirty months of age.
Sandhusker
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TimH said:Sandhusker said:
But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
You've been on his case forever about profiting from his test.
Why he was in Paris is none of your or my business. What do you care?
bse-tester
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So Tiny Tim is back with a vengence. Now I am a - how did you describe me...........?
Tsk Tsk Tsk Timmyboy. You know, I think I just figured it out!! I think I have just finally realized why you are such a complete and absolute mental midget!! When God was handing out brains to humans and to geese, you stood in the wrong line. Now I won't be so hard on you any more Timmy. Afterall, you don't have the brains that God gave geese to know when to fly south now do you??? :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol:
As far as your personal attacks on me are concerned Timmy, keep it up son, you make me laugh. Gotta hurt each fall when you see all those other putz's flying south and waving at you huh?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
Tsk Tsk Tsk Timmyboy. You know, I think I just figured it out!! I think I have just finally realized why you are such a complete and absolute mental midget!! When God was handing out brains to humans and to geese, you stood in the wrong line. Now I won't be so hard on you any more Timmy. Afterall, you don't have the brains that God gave geese to know when to fly south now do you??? :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol:
As far as your personal attacks on me are concerned Timmy, keep it up son, you make me laugh. Gotta hurt each fall when you see all those other putz's flying south and waving at you huh?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
TimH
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Sandhusker said:TimH said:Sandhusker said:
But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
You've been on his case forever about profiting from his test.
Why he was in Paris is none of your or my business. What do you care?
SRM removal(which I already pay for through lower fat prices) obviates the need for Gonadd's test on slaughter cattle(It may have some value vis-a-vis international trade in breeding stock,if it is ever proven to actually work). Bottom-feeder has said ,on at least one occasion, that "SRM removal is a joke"(in order to create demand for his pee-pee test).
That is why I care. And so should you and every other cattle producer.
Get It???
PORKER
Well-known member
SOOOOOO! TIM , You had your milk and icecream today? 2007 - Fears that cows with BSE could pass on the disease to humans via proteins in their milk has gained more credence from a new study, which has encouraged stricter analysis of dairy products.
TimH
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bse-tester said:
Chirp, chirp chirp. There is nothing a limey likes better than the sound of his own voice.
Good luck selling your piss-test Ron. Tool!
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Sandhusker said:TimH said:Sandhusker said:
But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
You've been on his case forever about profiting from his test.
Why he was in Paris is none of your or my business. What do you care?
Yep-- and as he and some of the other CCA/ABP idiots criticize Ron and testing all- what has happened to their market over the past 4-5 years :???:
Now the government has to step forward with a taxpayer funded guaranteed loan and payment to bail them out :roll:
But the TimH's of Canuckworld will find a way to continually blame that on R-CALF or Americans or somebody without recognizing that the multinationals are not their friends- and that without some changes "it ain't gonna get any better".....
TimH
Well-known member
PORKER said:
Well Porky, Hundreds of millions of people in the Uk and North America, consume millions of pounds of dairy products daily.....and have done so since long before BSE was identified(20+ years ago). What's the tally on worldwide cases of vCJD to date???? 160 give or take????
I"ll take my chances and drink some milk and eat some beef.
Scare somebody else in to buying "scoring ag".
TimH
Well-known member
Oldtimer said:Sandhusker said:TimH said:But, but..... he wasn't "trying to market his product". He was "invited" there "for other reasons". Don't you believe him Sandhusker????
Shame on you!!!!
You've been on his case forever about profiting from his test.
Why he was in Paris is none of your or my business. What do you care?
Yep-- and as he and some of the other CCA/ABP idiots criticize Ron and testing all- what has happened to their market over the past 4-5 years :???:
Now the government has to step forward with a taxpayer funded guaranteed loan and payment to bail them out :roll:
But the TimH's of Canuckworld will find a way to continually blame that on R-CALF or Americans or somebody without recognizing that the multinationals are not their friends- and that without some changes "it ain't gonna get any better".....
OK Oldtimer. If Ron's live urine test was approved, would you(and R-calf) have any problem with allowing import of Canadian cattle(of any age, or boxed beef) as long as they passed Ron's pee-pee test???
Yes or no???
PORKER
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Jee Tim ,How are going to prove you gave your cow Ron's pee pee test and she was BSE negative ?Hang some paperwork on her horns or paste it to the beef packages!
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TimH said:Oldtimer said:
OK Oldtimer. If Ron's live urine test was approved, would you(and R-calf) have any problem with allowing import of Canadian cattle(of any age, or boxed beef) as long as they passed Ron's pee-pee test???
Yes or no???
No problem to me if it was tested thru, proven effective and approved...Like it is now SRM removal is not scientifically considered 100% effective- but combined with testing would give another level of safety.....
TimH
Well-known member
Oldtimer said:TimH said:Oldtimer said:
OK Oldtimer. If Ron's live urine test was approved, would you(and R-calf) have any problem with allowing import of Canadian cattle(of any age, or boxed beef) as long as they passed Ron's pee-pee test???
Yes or no???
No problem to me if it was tested thru, proven effective and approved...Like it is now SRM removal is not scientifically considered 100% effective- but combined with testing would give another level of safety.....
Ok. Just to be clear..... If Ron's test was proven(remember that it is not at this time), you would have no problem, so long as it was in addition to SRM removal..... Correct???
What about if Ron's test was approved and no SRM removal in the event of a negative test??? Still OK as far as you and R-calf are concerned???
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TimH said:Oldtimer said:TimH said:OK Oldtimer. If Ron's live urine test was approved, would you(and R-calf) have any problem with allowing import of Canadian cattle(of any age, or boxed beef) as long as they passed Ron's pee-pee test???
Yes or no???
No problem to me if it was tested thru, proven effective and approved...Like it is now SRM removal is not scientifically considered 100% effective- but combined with testing would give another level of safety.....
Ok. Just to be clear..... If Ron's test was proven(remember that it is not at this time), you would have no problem, so long as it was in addition to SRM removal..... Correct???
What about if Ron's test was approved and no SRM removal in the event of a negative test??? Still OK as far as you and R-calf are concerned???
It would depend on the % accuracy of the test...Right now SRM removal is only 99% effective- and then only if its done correctly which makes it subjective to the individual slaughter plant, management, employees, chain speed etc. etc....And when these corporate conglomerates keep importing and hiring everyone that can't even speak the English language, let alone read or understand it- my faith in the SRM removal drops...Especially when its been shown many times over and testified to by the AMI that all bone/nerve material can't be removed....
I think with all the unknowns/may be's/could be's involved right now with BSE- we should be using ALL safeguards that are available-- or at least allow them to be used in the free market....
But if the scientific world (and not the political science/scientists of CFIA/USDA) agreed that the test was effective- then I would go with it...It would definitely take away the argument against bringing down live cattle and their threat of spreading the disease down here if they could be tested- and determined not to be a carrier of the BSE prions prior to allowing them in...
TimH
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Oldtimer said:
Hold on thar, Bubba..... Are you saying that SRM removal is 99% effective??? Are you disputing your buddy Ron's contention that "SRM removal is a Joke"???? :shock: :shock:
If SRM removal is 99% effective then why test????
Please explain your EXACT position Oldtimer.
Sandhusker
Well-known member
Young Timmy, have you ever heard of a cost comparison?
porker, not sure if you saw this or not ;
Maternal transfer of classical scrapie prion protein via sheep milk
Background 34. The mechanisms for transmission of classical scrapie between
sheep are not fully understood, however there is evidence to suggest that
the risk of transmission is high during the neonatal period15. A study by
VLA is examining whether milk may be a significant route of transmission by
bottle feeding milk collected from ewes genetically susceptible to, and
infected with classical scrapie, to genetically susceptible TSE-free lambs.
Data 35. Early unpublished findings from the study suggest that milk may be
a route of transmission. Post mortem examination of three lambs that were
bottle-fed milk from classical scrapie infected ewes which died early in the
study from intercurrent disease revealed the presence of PrPSc in gut
lymphoid tissue in two lambs. The milk fed to these two lambs was from two
ewes that developed clinical signs of classical scrapie during lactation.
The milk fed to the third lamb was from a ewe with clinical signs of
classical scrapie at the beginning of lactation from which only a relatively
small volume of milk was produced. Somatic cell counts were high in at least
a proportion of the milk collected from the ewes. PrPSc was not found in a
control lamb, which also died from intercurrent disease, that was fed milk
from an uninfected ewe. Implications 36. These data suggest that PrPSc may
be transmitted from ewe to lamb via milk or colostrum. As a full lactation
was fed to the lambs it is not possible to determine whether transmission
occurred via colostrum and/or the subsequent milk. The study is at too early
a stage to assess whether classical scrapie develops as a result of this
exposure, although this should be considered likely.
Data 35. Early unpublished findings from the study suggest that milk may be a route of transmission. Post mortem examination of three lambs that were bottle-fed milk from classical scrapie infected ewes which died early in the study from intercurrent disease revealed the presence of PrPSc in gut lymphoid tissue in two lambs. The milk fed to these two lambs was from two ewes that developed clinical signs of classical scrapie during lactation. The milk fed to the third lamb was from a ewe with clinical signs of classical scrapie at the beginning of lactation from which only a relatively small volume of milk was produced. Somatic cell counts were high in at least a proportion of the milk collected from the ewes. PrPSc was not found in a control lamb, which also died from intercurrent disease, that was fed milk from an uninfected ewe. Implications 36. These data suggest that PrPSc may be transmitted from ewe to lamb via milk or colostrum. As a full lactation was fed to the lambs it is not possible to determine whether transmission occurred via colostrum and/or the subsequent milk. The study is at too early a stage to assess whether classical scrapie develops as a result of this exposure, although this should be considered likely. 15 For example, Foster et al. (1996) Observations on the transmission of scrapie in experiments using embryo transfer. Vet. Rec. 8, 138, 559-562 and Ryder et al. (2004) Demonstration of lateral transmission of scrapie between sheep kept under natural conditions using lymphoid tissue biopsy. Res. Vet. Sci. 76, 211-217.
snip...see full text 15 pages ;
http://www.seac.gov.uk/papers/99-2.pdf
see full text ;
SEAC 99th meeting on Friday 14th December 2007
http://seac992007.blogspot.com/
SCRAPIE USA
http://scrapie-usa.blogspot.com/
NOR-98 ATYPICAL SCRAPIE CASES USA
http://nor-98.blogspot.com/
CREUTZFELDT JAKOB DISEASE MAD COW BASE UPDATE USA
http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/
Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy TME
http://transmissible-mink-encephalopathy.blogspot.com/
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/
tss
Maternal transfer of classical scrapie prion protein via sheep milk
Background 34. The mechanisms for transmission of classical scrapie between
sheep are not fully understood, however there is evidence to suggest that
the risk of transmission is high during the neonatal period15. A study by
VLA is examining whether milk may be a significant route of transmission by
bottle feeding milk collected from ewes genetically susceptible to, and
infected with classical scrapie, to genetically susceptible TSE-free lambs.
Data 35. Early unpublished findings from the study suggest that milk may be
a route of transmission. Post mortem examination of three lambs that were
bottle-fed milk from classical scrapie infected ewes which died early in the
study from intercurrent disease revealed the presence of PrPSc in gut
lymphoid tissue in two lambs. The milk fed to these two lambs was from two
ewes that developed clinical signs of classical scrapie during lactation.
The milk fed to the third lamb was from a ewe with clinical signs of
classical scrapie at the beginning of lactation from which only a relatively
small volume of milk was produced. Somatic cell counts were high in at least
a proportion of the milk collected from the ewes. PrPSc was not found in a
control lamb, which also died from intercurrent disease, that was fed milk
from an uninfected ewe. Implications 36. These data suggest that PrPSc may
be transmitted from ewe to lamb via milk or colostrum. As a full lactation
was fed to the lambs it is not possible to determine whether transmission
occurred via colostrum and/or the subsequent milk. The study is at too early
a stage to assess whether classical scrapie develops as a result of this
exposure, although this should be considered likely.
Data 35. Early unpublished findings from the study suggest that milk may be a route of transmission. Post mortem examination of three lambs that were bottle-fed milk from classical scrapie infected ewes which died early in the study from intercurrent disease revealed the presence of PrPSc in gut lymphoid tissue in two lambs. The milk fed to these two lambs was from two ewes that developed clinical signs of classical scrapie during lactation. The milk fed to the third lamb was from a ewe with clinical signs of classical scrapie at the beginning of lactation from which only a relatively small volume of milk was produced. Somatic cell counts were high in at least a proportion of the milk collected from the ewes. PrPSc was not found in a control lamb, which also died from intercurrent disease, that was fed milk from an uninfected ewe. Implications 36. These data suggest that PrPSc may be transmitted from ewe to lamb via milk or colostrum. As a full lactation was fed to the lambs it is not possible to determine whether transmission occurred via colostrum and/or the subsequent milk. The study is at too early a stage to assess whether classical scrapie develops as a result of this exposure, although this should be considered likely. 15 For example, Foster et al. (1996) Observations on the transmission of scrapie in experiments using embryo transfer. Vet. Rec. 8, 138, 559-562 and Ryder et al. (2004) Demonstration of lateral transmission of scrapie between sheep kept under natural conditions using lymphoid tissue biopsy. Res. Vet. Sci. 76, 211-217.
snip...see full text 15 pages ;
http://www.seac.gov.uk/papers/99-2.pdf
see full text ;
SEAC 99th meeting on Friday 14th December 2007
http://seac992007.blogspot.com/
SCRAPIE USA
http://scrapie-usa.blogspot.com/
NOR-98 ATYPICAL SCRAPIE CASES USA
http://nor-98.blogspot.com/
CREUTZFELDT JAKOB DISEASE MAD COW BASE UPDATE USA
http://cjdmadcowbaseoct2007.blogspot.com/
Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy TME
http://transmissible-mink-encephalopathy.blogspot.com/
CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE
http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/
tss
PORKER said:
PORKER
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I had't seen this data ,Thanks
Kathy
Well-known member
Merry Christmas to you too Ron / bse-tester.....
You ever get a chance read the USA patent application 20070122799 by Dr. Vitaly Vodyanoy of Auburn University, he pretty much explains how partially misfolded prions (one attached to other metals besides copper) are not deleterious until they have nucleated on a metal nanocluster, when they become fully "misfolded" prions.
Sorry the disease isn't simple, its multifactoral! But the lab rats only get grants to look a one dimensional proposals.
Not being a accredited scientist gives me the leisure to speak more freely than those choked by their associations. You don't like what I have to say.. don't read it. There are doctors/researchers in this world who have given me much credit for what I am trying to communicate.
I can't hold anybodies hand, but I want people to look at the alternative hypotheses out there to infectious prions. Is Dr. Laura Manuelidis a cracker? She flat out states there is no such thing as an infectious prion.
I hope everyone has a safe and joyous Christmas Holiday.
See you in the new year.
You ever get a chance read the USA patent application 20070122799 by Dr. Vitaly Vodyanoy of Auburn University, he pretty much explains how partially misfolded prions (one attached to other metals besides copper) are not deleterious until they have nucleated on a metal nanocluster, when they become fully "misfolded" prions.
Sorry the disease isn't simple, its multifactoral! But the lab rats only get grants to look a one dimensional proposals.
Not being a accredited scientist gives me the leisure to speak more freely than those choked by their associations. You don't like what I have to say.. don't read it. There are doctors/researchers in this world who have given me much credit for what I am trying to communicate.
I can't hold anybodies hand, but I want people to look at the alternative hypotheses out there to infectious prions. Is Dr. Laura Manuelidis a cracker? She flat out states there is no such thing as an infectious prion.
I hope everyone has a safe and joyous Christmas Holiday.
See you in the new year.