BSE Testing for Food Safety

[Anonymous]

Porker: "How do you know that the BSE tests were accurate to find other variants SH?????"

How do you know they weren't?

Porker: "Give me a break SH, Technology will prove that any age animal can be affected and carry BSE pirons."

CAN BE AFFECTED AND CARRY PRIONS but ARE THEY???

You can't find something unless it's actually there to find.

From that point the question is, can those prions be carried in the meat to pose a true threat to human safety or is this just about selling new tests?


It has been stated that most of the BSE prions collect in the SRMs. On top of that, according to the research I have seen, you have to eat an incredible amount of SRMs just to contract the disease. So if most of the prions are collected in the SRMs and you have to eat an incredible amount of SRMs to contract the disease, WHAT JUSTIFIES TESTING YOUNG CATTLE THAT BARELY HAVE DETECTABLE PRIONS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE MEAT???

It's a stretch and that's why OIE hasn't recommended it.

Admit it, this is about selling a new test!

Porker: "Ah Sh,You don't care about food safety to the consumers,shame on you!!'

Of course, pull that one out of your hat. Typical ploy of those who are trying to market a new test. Tug on the ol' heart strings. Imagine that!

You'll have to do better than that with me!

Porker: "Come on SH,We have been feeden chicken s**t for years and you don't think 1 cow has gotten past any ban as downers were just taken out of the food and feed supply months ago."

We are testing thousands. WHERE ARE THESE BSE POSITIVES?

With the public's awareness of BSE you'd think ranchers would find them shaking in the pastures all over the U.S.?

WHERE ARE THEY????

But, but, but they could be, they might be, perhaps, possibly, we can never be too sure, what if, .........................ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz!

Porker: "Why do you think everyone with common sense such as Ron and I, thinks your remark is stupid ,SH ."

Hahaha!

Saying something is stupid is a lot easier than proving it's stupid isn't it?

Really, is that all you got?

Ahhhh......because you want to sell an unjustified test?

Glad to hear you have gathered your little "test everything whether it's justified or not because I want to sell a new test" support group!

Porker: "If the test someone uses can't detect BSE at a low level at any age ,why would the OIE suggest removing all SRM's."

All SRMs are not being removed on cattle less than 30 months of age.

Try again!



PERCEPTION OF FOOD SAFETY PERCEPTION OF FOOD SAFETY
SALES OF NEW TESTS SALES OF NEW TESTS
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SALES OF NEW TESTS SALES OF NEW TESTS
PERCEPTION OF FOOD SAFETY PERCEPTION OF FOOD SAFETY
SALES OF NEW TESTS SALES OF NEW TESTS


You forgot to throw in a plug for SSI!



~SH~

 

[PORKER]

WELL SH ,you tried to back your side of the Debate but lost to the latest Technology discoverys. Now you should sign in for a test as you are completely off the wall defending the undefending phrases of old technology.Here is a link for your test. http://www.cjdsurveillance.com/urine.htm

 

[Anonymous]

What's wrong Porker?

Water getting too deep?


I'll ask again, where is the proof of a prevalence of BSE in cattle under 24 months of age in the U.S. to justify the need for BSE testing of cattle under 24 months of age?

Then show me the proof of BSE contamination of beef that justifies the need for testing?


Bring it Porker!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

What's wrong Porker?

Water getting too deep?


I'll ask again, where is the proof of a prevalence of BSE in cattle under 24 months of age in the U.S. to justify the need for BSE testing of cattle under 24 months of age?

Then show me the proof of BSE contamination of beef that justifies the need for testing?


Bring it Porker!



~SH~

Show me the proof of contamination to justify the need for organic.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "Show me the proof of contamination to justify the need for organic."

Divertion!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandman: "Show me the proof of contamination to justify the need for organic."

Divertion!


~SH~

No I'm not. I'm just pointing out that organic has no scientific justification, same as testing 24 month old cattle - yet you don't seem to post against organic. Why don't you apply this scientific justification requirement evenly?

 

[Anonymous]

Divertion!

Show me the proof of BSE contamination of beef from cattle less than 24 months of age that justifies the need for testing?

Bring it Sandman!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Divertion!

Show me the proof of BSE contamination of beef from cattle less than 24 months of age that justifies the need for testing?

Bring it Sandman!



~SH~

To date, there is no scientific justification for testing cattle less than 24 months of age. Good thing markets have NEVER been science based. What really matters is that there is an economic justification.

"A Japanese company is offering to pay the cost of testing every cow
processed and shipped to Japan for mad cow disease."

Now, just what the heck is the problem?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "To date, there is no scientific justification for testing cattle less than 24 months of age."

Thanks for a bit of honesty!

Sandman: "What really matters is that there is an economic justification."

Not when it creates a false sense of security regarding food safety.

Sandman: "A Japanese company is offering to pay the cost of testing every cow processed and shipped to Japan for mad cow disease."

Talk is cheap!

The price would be reflective of the cost of testing IF THE JAPANESE PARLIAMENT ALLOWED IT. You have offered no proof that they would. You just repeat what you hear that supports your bias. Baaaaaaaaah!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandman: "To date, there is no scientific justification for testing cattle less than 24 months of age."

Thanks for a bit of honesty!

Sandman: "What really matters is that there is an economic justification."

Not when it creates a false sense of security regarding food safety.

Reply; Don't give me this crap that you're concerned about a false sense of food safety. If you were, you would be harping about organic. I suppose you will deny that organic claims to be safer? Your concern is parroting the USDA.

Sandman: "A Japanese company is offering to pay the cost of testing every cow processed and shipped to Japan for mad cow disease."

Talk is cheap!

The price would be reflective of the cost of testing IF THE JAPANESE PARLIAMENT ALLOWED IT. You have offered no proof that they would. You just repeat what you hear that supports your bias. Baaaaaaaaah!

Reply: Your NCBA claims the closed border to Japan is costing us $175 per animal. Don't you think that is enough to call Japan's bluff?

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "Don't give me this crap that you're concerned about a false sense of food safety."

When that test costs the U.S. producer money and it's not justified, you bet I'm concerned.

Sandman: "If you were, you would be harping about organic. I suppose you will deny that organic claims to be safer?"

Organic does not require a test that reveals nothing. Organic doesn't claim to be safer, organic claims to be organic.

Ridiculous comparison!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "When that test costs the U.S. producer money and it's not justified, you bet I'm concerned."

I guess you missed this headline; "A Japanese company is offering to pay the cost of testing every cow processed and shipped to Japan for mad cow disease."

SH, "Organic does not require a test that reveals nothing. Organic doesn't claim to be safer, organic claims to be organic."

There ARE tests organic products use! :roll: "Organic claims to be organic"? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I rest my case and let the other readers come up with the verdict. When your argument is "organic claims to be organic", the pig wrestling match has begun. :roll: :lol: :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "I guess you missed this headline; "A Japanese company is offering to pay the cost of testing every cow processed and shipped to Japan for mad cow disease.""

I guess you missed the part where I said talk is cheap! They will adjust the price of the beef to cover the costs of testing. PAY ME NOW OR PAY ME LATER!

Sandman: "There ARE tests organic products use!"

This is another one of your classic apples to watermellon comparisons.

Organic is just what the name implies. It's natural beef without implants or growth hormones and the name implies just what it is.

In contrast, BSE tested implies BSE free but BSE testing of cattle less than 24 months of age doesn't guarantee that it's BSE free.

APPLES AND WATERMELONS!

One is "false advertisting" the other is not!

Don't quit while you're behind!


~SH~

 

[PORKER]

SH ,well you have proven it here ,the Stupid one,yes you , SH has no common sense!!!!
Ron's and technology's common sense
I just want to say that the SRM removal is one way of removing tissue that is known to collect prions in great numbers. However, if the animal is indeed infected with the disease causing agent, the PrPsc, then the entire animal is infected, not just selctive tissue and it is about time that people started to wrap their heads around that fact. Even if the animal is younger than 30 months or older, it matters not. Granted, the risk of a younger than 30 month animal breaking out with BSE is now reduced since the feed ban came into effect, but one must remember that not all feed mills followed the ban and there was no recall - zero - of feed that was stored by ranchers and producers and it was still used until all gone. Some ranchers kept feed for months after the ban and we know that some feed producers here in Canada and in Europe have been busted for not abiding by the ban. Also, let us not forget that incredible stroke of wisdom by the authorities that stated although we are bannig the feed, we are still going to feed it to pigs and chickens and then folk, we will still allow cattle to feed on the remains of pigs and chickens that we render into cattle feed. Talk about a tainted process and a political nightmare that all politicians seem to want to avoid when the question of banning feed on the one hand and then feeding it right back to the cattle by means of another route.

Only a lobbyist sticks to the views you do.AMI should be proud ,an NCBA has been cheering in your stands for years.You are the one thats in too deep and since technology has passed you by ,pity on you.Debate from your bench takes you and your side to the point of no return.

 

[Anonymous]

Porker: "SH ,well you have proven it here ,the Stupid one,yes you , SH has no common sense!!!!"

Keep telling yourself that Porker!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzz!


4 Questions for you to answer Porker so you can prove your point with the above statement!


1. Where is your proof that BSE exists in cattle under 24 months of age in the U.S. and Canada to justify testing cattle under 24 months of age?

2. If testing cattle younger than 24 months of age is justified, why is Japan changing their position on that very issue?

3. Where is your proof that BSE or vCJD can be contracted by eating BSE prions contained in beef?

4. If hundreds of thousands of cattle, OVER 30 months of age, have been BSE tested in Canada and the U.S. and only 5 positives have been discovered in Canada and the U.S. that were born before the feed ban phase out, how would the feed be getting contaminated now? Doesn't it take BSE positive animals in the feed to contaminate the feed?

Answer those questions and let's just see who has common sense and who's interested in selling a test shall we?


~SH~

 

[PORKER]

BSE is in the World at any age .
Intimidation from USDA.
Persons dying every day around the world.
FEED,What do you Know about Feed.
Iam a Rancher and I only sell cattle.
Only a lobbyist sticks to the views you do.AMI should be proud ,an NCBA has been cheering in your stands for years.You are the one thats in too deep and since technology has passed you by ,pity on you.Debate from your bench takes you and your side to the point of no return.

 

[Tam]

SH's question

1. Where is your proof that BSE exists in cattle under 24 months of age in the U.S. and Canada to justify testing cattle under 24 months of age?

Porkers answer

BSE is in the World at any age .

But can you prove it is in the US and Canadian cattle since we have had a feed ban in place all their lives and when there is no approved test to detect it in them right now? Just maybe there is nothing to detect Porker.
SH' question

2. If testing cattle younger than 24 months of age is justified, why is Japan changing their position on that very issue?

Porkers answer

Intimidation from USDA.

If the USDA had enough power that they were able to intimidate Japan into changing their testing why couldn't they intimidate them into dropping the ban on US Beef? By Japan not testing their beef they are putting their consumer in even more danger than just importing the US beef untested if BSE is in the 20 month and under. Japan changed their rules because of years of test results proved they were wasting their time and money testing animals that have never shown a positive test result.
Sh's question

3. Where is your proof that BSE or vCJD can be contracted by eating BSE prions contained in beef?

Porkers answer

Persons dying every day around the world.

I thought there was only 150 deaths in all the world from vCJD and nobody has really proved eatting beef caused the vCJD. So how can you say people are dieing every day from vCJD? If we had people dieing everyday wouldn't the number be alot higher than 150? :x
SH's Question

4. If hundreds of thousands of cattle, OVER 30 months of age, have been BSE tested in Canada and the U.S. and only 5 positives have been discovered in Canada and the U.S. that were born before the feed ban phase out, how would the feed be getting contaminated now? Doesn't it take BSE positive animals in the feed to contaminate the feed?

Porkers answer

FEED,What do you Know about Feed. Iam a Rancher and I only sell cattle.

What no answer Porker? do you not buy feed for those cattle you sell and do you not know what goes into the feed you buy or are you one of these that just take what ever the salesman sends to you no questions asked.

Answer those questions and let's just see who has common sense and who's interested in selling a test shall we?~SH~

Would you like another chance to answer these question with something you can prove with facts Please?

 

[Anonymous]

Porker,

You have no proof that BSE exists in cattle under 24 months of age in the U.S. or Canada.

You couldn't be more wrong regarding Japan being intimidated by USDA. You think USDA has more influence on them than their own consumers who are still under the impression that BSE testing of young cattle provides safety? Give me break! Japan is following the science!

You have no proof that anyone is dying of BSE or vCJD from eating "BEEF" and you know it!

You admit that you don't know about the feed yet you didn't address the issue. If we have BSE in our feed, it's because we are feeding BSE contaminated parts from infected cattle. If we have BSE infected cattle, why aren't they showing up?

You can't answer that because you haven't thought about it.

YOU GOT NOTHING PORKER!




~SH~