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Faster horses said:
Bev, we are just about the same distance from Rapid City as we are from Billings. I tend to like Rapid just a little better. It has more of the "Cowtown" flavor. Billings has gotten pretty 'yuppie' in the past several years IMO. However, I am so busy, I don't get to either place much. Maybe it is just that I am slow~

OT, thanks for letting us know about Funk's bulls. I think I have some folks here that would definitely be interested. What is he asking for them? Did you say $1500-$2500? That sure should work!! Does he have some OCC bred cattle as well as the Shoshone? Our Shoshone bulls were a little more framey that I thought they would be, but still okay.

We did get a Crook Mtn. Really Windy out of a Conneally Timeline daughter at Lunds B-Bar Sale. I am pretty excited about him as a heifer bull and we also got a 5.5 frame bull that I think is an exceptionally good bull for what we want. Time will tell, of course, but he appears to be a meat machine right now out of a Pathfinder cow. I couldn't believe we were able to get him because we liked him so much (those usually cost a lot). The last time we got our first pick of bulls (at a sale in SW Mt.), the bull turned out to be a wild SOB right from the get-go and we returned him as fast as possible. We will not put up with that. This bull seemed very gentle in the ring. Just smelled of the cables and meandered around. As my husband says, "we can't have wild cattle on this Ma and Pa outfit." And I'm glad he feels that way. As a consequence we don't have wild or mean cows. (Regardless of what Hereford breeders think! LOL!!!)

FH-Yeah Gary is asking between $1500 and $2750 for the bulls- The two CM Lassen 882L bulls I was looking at are priced at $1750...He has quite of bit of Ohlde breeding- That and Diamond D Angus-- Has about 8 OCC Kojak 628K bulls left- some sons of DDA Ally 69C... CM Lassen is a double bred 6807 son of OCC Just Right 619J...No real wild EPD's- just middle of the road straight across... I don't think anyone would have to worry about these bulls being too wild--I about fell over them while walking thru them- had to kick them up so a guy could look at them.......
 
chuckie said:
i don't have a word to say about calving, never done it like most of these folks have, but it reminds of of recent previous discussions of dogs/dog breeds/usefulness/etc. i'm sure there are good herefords in this world--they HAVE to be better than the ones i've seen. and i think there can be no doubt they're awful good mother cows.

who was it (one of you canucks) who posted all those pics of the AWESOME herefords? just goes to show--there's good in most, it's just what your program's about. i think. :roll:


Chuckie, hope those comments are directed towards my cattle. I do love comments on my cattle, good or bad.

I haven't posted any pictures for a while, so I think it's time once again.

My 4-H steer for 2004. Slaughtered at 16 months @ 1225 lbs, with yield of 668 lbs or 57%, grade of 2 and score of AA. He would have made a darn good bull, but the border changed that plan. Have his dam bred to the same bull to calve in a few weeks....hoping for a heifer.

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The above steer's maternal brother, the youngest (3yrs) of 4 bulls that will be working our herd this summer. Note the big difference in frame size and fleshing ability. Genetics is everything. Not a terrible fan of this bull as an individual, but his heifers could walk in off the pasture and put many grain-fed show girls to shame. Sadly, I don't have any pics of them to put on here.

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Our oldest bull (7yrs) that will be walking the pastures this year. Only now, are we beginning to understand just how much of an impact this bull's daughters will have on our herd.

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A son of the above bull, a 4 year old that will see alot of cows this summer. This is a picture of him as a coming 2 year old. He resembles his sire quite a bit now.

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Dam of the above bull, pic taken just before she was shipped @ 11 yrs. Darn good cow that weighed a little over 1000 lbs and brought home steers over 500 lbs and bulls over 600 lbs every year. Only about 45 inches at the hip.

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Our 4 year old calving ease specialist. Calves just slide right out and keep on growing.

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On backward calves, all I can say is that it is just luck of the draw. I looked back on records from the last few years and found backward calves at 84 and 80 lbs., so weight has nothing to do with it. Have had them with old and young cows and heifers. Just never seems to be any reason to which cows have them. I don't think it is genetic as off the top of my head, I don't ever recall any one particular cow of ours ever having more than one backwards calf.

On the quality of Herefords, a lot has changed. Alot of poor cattle in the breed when I started buying and breeding them in 1991. Alot of people can easily recall many bulls at studs looking like the one in the second picture. Have come a long way, and the quality, both in the yard and on the rail, is progressing closer to Angus all the time. A few breeders, such as myself and whiteface, are starting to breed the horned and polled lines together. This new combination has been a taboo for many years, and the new possible combinations could open up a brand new path for the breed. I always advise people to go out and buy a couple of young solid-looking Hereford cows to add to their cowherd and then give me their opinion. Alot has changed and I think people need to sample the breed today as it is a total flip from 25 years ago.
 
Rain is no stranger to our area. Drought years are few and far between. Average about 16 inches of rain between April-November, 24 inches in the wetter years, and 30-35 in the really wet years. 3-4 crops of alfalfa are not uncommon. It's the balance between sun and rain that is hard to work out....which makes haying a tough chore, and grain production nearly impossible.
 
Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.
 
Alabama said:
Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.

We've already had 4.5 inches since last night and this morning and the with the 6 inches last weekend I'm charging up the batteries in my boat!
We got hail last night too! The metal roof on my house was singing!
You bout done calving? Seems like you been calving since Sept.
 
Alabama said:
Had a calf from a heifer this morning. thunder and lighting with rain so hard I could only see 100 yards. I thought she was having trouble but I couild not get across the creek to her. I went back to get a cup of coffee and when I returned she was licking the calf. Glad she was on high ground.

Sometimes that second cup of coffee is just the right amount of time to let nature run its course on its own........ :)
 
Oldtimer: "Sometimes that second cup of coffee is just the right amount of time to let nature run its course on its own........"

Like one old cowboy said, "There are just times when you are working cattle or driving them, or trying to get them to cross a bridge, when it is just best to stop your horse, throw your leg up over the saddlehorn and roll a cigarette. Let nature takes its course."
 
Yes I did start with a few calves in September. then a dry spell till Jan. Most of the calves are Jan and feb calves. I think I got two more due to the herd bull any day now. I have ai'ed all the earley calvers except 3 hefers whitch I will pull CIDR's this afternoon and bred on Sunday. That will finish my breding and the bull can go in the last pasture. I have bulls in two pastures now and the 3rd is waiting to go in two weeks from Sunday.
Some of the late calvers will be sold in the fall to people with spring calving programs.
PS: with all this rain we might better start building an ark?
 
Bama:"PS: with all this rain we might better start building an ark?"

I have no idea where to get the "Gopher Wood" for an ark.

Remember Noah: "he pitched it within and without"
I wouldn't know where to get any "pitch" either. :wink: :wink:
 
When I was at Camp Rucker in '51 we were on bivouac on night and it rained 7 in.Come morning there was not a drop of water standing anywhere!Hope it's not that sandy where you are.
 
Yesterday I had a big char cow calve. Dad went out to check the cows when I was at work. There was one hind leg sticking out about 16 inches. He called me and it took 45 min to get home.When I got there the calf was up and sucking. He said she just pushed it out doing the splits I think it was more luck than good management. Walk
 
Juan said:
When I was at Camp Rucker in '51 we were on bivouac on night and it rained 7 in.Come morning there was not a drop of water standing anywhere!Hope it's not that sandy where you are.

Not that sandy! Down in Enterprise (Ft. Rucker) they grow lots of peanuts in that sandy soil.

I'm only a stone's throw from the alabama river. Pretty dang low here.
 
walk said:
Yesterday I had a big char cow calve. Dad went out to check the cows when I was at work. There was one hind leg sticking out about 16 inches. He called me and it took 45 min to get home.When I got there the calf was up and sucking. He said she just pushed it out doing the splits I think it was more luck than good management. Walk

With that kind of flexibility, you may want to consider entering that baby in a ballet class! :lol:
 
aaron-yes, it was you that had posted those great pics of yours cows previously that i was remembering(?!) it's he!! to get old! with the gut on your 4-H calf, it's no wonder he only had a 57% yield! my personal opinion on herefords--borne out by years of data, BTW--is that they are generally "non-yielding, non-grading, over-fat SOB's". and they do all that plus more!!

none-the-less, i do believe that the breed is making progress on the kill end, it's just SLOW, and a Big part of it is marketing at least in this country where black is better (and that is NOT a racist remark, ok?!!?).

as long as you guys keep breeding for improvement, it'll work. just try to get everyone to have even CLOSE to the same goals :D
 
If I was Aaron, I'd be a little insulted by your comments. The herefords have come a long way from the short-legged, dumpy version of the 50's, 60's, and 70's. Get out, look around at the herds in the country. You'd be amazed at what you see.
 
well i certainly didn't intend to insult aaron or anyone else. if i did, i apologize. i was simply stating what i have seen at the packing plant as to how herefords have done on the kill. i can't help the facts. sorry i blew up...
 
No big deal. I get a little defensive myself when it comes to herefords. We have a bull here that throws meat on his calves in all the right places and our calves sell well. I wish I could post a picture of him on here, but I haven't got a digital camera. Check out Star Lake Cattle Ranch in Oklahoma, or Deshazer Cattle Co. in Texas. In Canada, check out Remitall Polled Herefords.
 
chuckie said:
aaron-yes, it was you that had posted those great pics of yours cows previously that i was remembering(?!) it's he!! to get old! with the gut on your 4-H calf, it's no wonder he only had a 57% yield! my personal opinion on herefords--borne out by years of data, BTW--is that they are generally "non-yielding, non-grading, over-fat SOB's". and they do all that plus more!!

none-the-less, i do believe that the breed is making progress on the kill end, it's just SLOW, and a Big part of it is marketing at least in this country where black is better (and that is NOT a racist remark, ok?!!?).

as long as you guys keep breeding for improvement, it'll work. just try to get everyone to have even CLOSE to the same goals :D

Chuckie...yes, no, yes. Non-yielding, yep. The highest I have ever seen a Hereford yield is 62% (While Simmentals close to 70%), with the average being around 56-58%. Hence why those Char x Herefords rock the sales ring and the kill line. Non-grading, no...well, unless your comparing it against the Angus, in which case, ok, then I can agree with you. As far as Herefords stand for grading, I rate them as 2nd in line but quickly gaining ground against Angus. Fat SOB's, you bet! That's why I don't breed Holsteins :lol: Seriously, I like fat all over my steaks...inside and outside. I know a few people that love to eat the exterior fat on their steaks while they eat. Can't say it's the healthiest thing to do, but definitely good eating. Plus, I rather have fat cows that can winter a freezing snowstorm with no problems than cows that are skinny as rails.

Not insulted at all. I can agree with most of your comments. The people you have to tell are the ones that parade their animals in front of everyone at the big shows. What I raise only affects my buyers, which are in about a 50 mile radius. Ones like Star Lake and Remitall supply the entire continent and it is those breeders that need to change their attitudes. Get away from the grain-fed showgirls and boys, stop the creepfeeding. I like to seach the Canadian Hereford Association database on some of the calves that are born on various operations. A breeder might brag about his show calves being 700-900 lb weaning weights, but keeps his mouth shut on the 300 lb registered heifer calves that he didn't show. I know alot of breeders think that if they can feed that 300lb calf heavy enough, she'll make a bred heifer, but that has to stop because that mistake carries down the line....and I don't blame the commercial guy when he buys a $1100 heifer, gets a puny 300 lb calf in the fall and then turns 'anti-Hereford.'

Shelly, what's the name of your bull?...is he registered?
 

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