Canadian Consumers have a Choice for their Health!!!

[jdst]

Filter this through the screen of your own religious beliefs...

26,000 people die from hunger every day! Every day!! Two thirds of them, more than 16,000, are children.

What do you think God feels when he sees us fighting over markets?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Filter this through the screen of your own religious beliefs...

26,000 people die from hunger every day! Every day!! Two thirds of them, more than 16,000, are children.

What do you think God feels when he sees us fighting over markets?

Do you think those 26,000 worry about GMO food or beef raised with the use of Hormones? lots of issues that are trivial.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Under that standard, a calf born in Montana, lives for 8 months there, comes to Canada and is backgrounded for 90 days, markets shift and he goes to Nebraska to be finished for 120 days, is processed in a US plant under USDA inspection... and it is product of Canada??????

That steer might be a fine specimin, but he spent 12 of 15 months of his life in the US. It is more of a fraud to claim him as product of Canada than anything happening now.

And therein lies the problem of R-Calf's M-Cool idea. Its a completely unenforceable law that really makes no sense at all. As long as an animal spends one day outside the US it is no longer American? :roll:

A couple years back, I was talking with some US cattlemen from Montana and the Dakotas. When I mentioned Cool, they rolled their eyes. See, these guys had the brains to notice that they could calve out at home, grass the cattle in Canada over summer and finish feeding them at home, all the time saving themselves substantial amounts of money. Grassing in Canada simply made economic sense, and there was ZERO risk of any diesease transferral.

I found the one rancher's comment interesting: "All Cool is, is a way to cover laziness and stupidity under the guise of patriotism. I'll fight Cool to the end because all it does is takes money out of the mouths of my family."

And OT, Canadians aren't fighting Cool as hard as you seem to believe they are. Its your own countrymen fighting it. Quit posting that kind of misleading crap.

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

jdst, "And if the brand on the label was a brand I liked I would put it in my cart!!"

Here's the way I see it; The only label right now like what you mention is a company label. That's how the companies want it. They want any loyalty to be to their brand, and nothing else. Companies such as Tyson and Cargill have no loyalties to US or Canadian producers. Understandably, their loyalties focus on profits for their shareholders. If they could make more money by using Brazilian or Australian cattle and not buying one US or Canadian animal, they will do it. This gives producers no power and we'll just be leaves blowing in the wind.

COOL, coupled with a checkoff that promotes only domestic product, gives producers a fighting chance. It's an opportunity to have our label.
I don't want to be bypassed and have Tyson sell some other country's beef. I want them to sell beef from my cattle. I know that advertising works and I want consumers to be told to buy beef from my cattle. I want consumers to demand my product and be able to get it. I want rural
communities in cow country to be strong. I want economies in beef producing states to be strong. I'm not ashamed one bit to push for what I want, because that gives me power, and that is what survival is about.

Some will try to say that you can have your label with the existing branded programs like CAB. That won't do it. Look at how many cattle come out of Nebrask alone. If this state's beef economy had to depend on CAB and Laura's Lean, we'd be in a big hurt box. It would be like trying to put 100 people in a phone booth.

 

[Econ101]

The checkoff is nothing more than captive advertising. The payers are not getting their money's worth because the packers are controlling it for thier own positioning through ignorant supporters like MRJ who can't see what is happening. The concept is good but the execution stinks. The multinational packers are the ones who benefit, not domestic producers who are footing the bill.

Sandhusker, you are pretty much right on the mark with your analysis.

MRJ, please don't take this personally, I don't know you and you are just a persona on this site. What is happening is happening. Blind support is all that is needed to give a free ride to the freeloaders and it is happening.

The beef people can't even put on a decent campaign against chicken.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

The checkoff is nothing more than captive advertising. The payers are not getting their money's worth because the packers are controlling it for thier own positioning through ignorant supporters like MRJ who can't see what is happening. The concept is good but the execution stinks. The multinational packers are the ones who benefit, not domestic producers who are footing the bill.

Sandhusker, you are pretty much right on the mark with your analysis.

MRJ, please don't take this personally, I don't know you and you are just a persona on this site. What is happening is happening. Blind support is all that is needed to give a free ride to the freeloaders and it is happening.

The beef people can't even put on a decent campaign against chicken.

What chicken advertisements, most of Tyson's promotions are now for protien. " Beef, It's what's for dinner." What's wrong with that.

 

[Sandhusker]

The checkoff is nothing more than captive advertising. The payers are not getting their money's worth because the packers are controlling it for thier own positioning through ignorant supporters like MRJ who can't see what is happening. The concept is good but the execution stinks. The multinational packers are the ones who benefit, not domestic producers who are footing the bill.

Sandhusker, you are pretty much right on the mark with your analysis.

MRJ, please don't take this personally, I don't know you and you are just a persona on this site. What is happening is happening. Blind support is all that is needed to give a free ride to the freeloaders and it is happening.

The beef people can't even put on a decent campaign against chicken.

What chicken advertisements, most of Tyson's promotions are now for protien. " Beef, It's what's for dinner." What's wrong with that.

Your question "What chicken advertisements" illustrates the problem. Adverstising generally targets the competition. Pepsi challenges you to compare them to Coke, Miller tells you they have less calories than Bud light, Chevy tells you they pull more than Ford, etc... If chicken is beef's biggest competitor as some claim, it only stands to reason a beef campaign would target chicken. Unless, of course, you think Pepsi, Miller, Chevrolet, etc.... know know much about marketing their product.

 

[Jason]

In Canada we have a lot of Maple Leaf Prime chicken commercials.

They focus on production methods, processing methods and say the choice remains with the consumer as to the taste. Of course they believe the taste is better or they wouldn't promote the brand.

I have yet to see a branded beef commercial. I hear lots of beef producer commercials, generic eat beef type commercials.

Consumers are always looking for a certian price/quality aspect. They will pay more if they percieve value. Beef products like CAB are not packer specific as the Maple Leaf chicken is. Every bird Maple Leaf raises qualifies for the Maple Leaf label, not every black animal qualifies for CAB.

Packers can and do make slightly less stringent programs toadd value to animals that aren't quite to CAB specs but are better than average. This gets more consumers into a still premium product at a slightly lower but still premium price.

Because of the advantage that cattle have of turning waste grass into high quality beef, there will never come a time where all beef is equal. Trying to market it all as equal is stupid and antiquated, but R-calf will keep trying.

 

[Anonymous]

Comical to watch all the Canucks now saying that all US cattle are identical to all Canadian cattle, but for 12+ years after the passage of NAFTA, the Canucks screamed and put up an artificial trade barrier saying that ALL US CATTLE WERE DISEASED- no matter if as jdst said they were born a minute apart and a mile away- they were ALL automatically diseased...

Then the minute the Canucks have their teat in a wringer, and have no market, and are begging for the border to reopen so they can get back to their free ride on the shirttails of an industry and market the US cattlemen spent years building- the disease is automatically not so bad :lol: they start looking at dropping these trade barriers if we open up our borders to their diseased cattle that are still showing up monthly- with a disease that could potentially cripple the US cattle industry.....

May be part of the of the reason I don't have a lot of sympathy or compassion for the Canadian cattle industry or put much credibility with the BS some of their producers try to put out about free trade anymore...... :roll:

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Comical to watch all the Canucks now saying that all US cattle are identical to all Canadian cattle, but for 12+ years after the passage of NAFTA, the Canucks screamed and put up an artificial trade barrier saying that ALL US CATTLE WERE DISEASED- no matter if as jdst said they were born a minute apart and a mile away- they were ALL automatically diseased...

I was wondering how long it would take you to start blathering on about that. As soon as you start to lose a debate, or are forced to listen to logic and reason, you change the topic. Canada closed the border BECAUSE YOU HAD NO RESTRICTIONS ON ANIMAL MOVEMENTS FROM ANAPLAS POSTIVE AREAS! So in other words, all US cattle could have been diseased since you had absolutely no way of tracing or restricting movement. Since BSE is not transferrable in the same fashion as ana/blue, its a completely different set of circumstances.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Comical to watch all the Canucks now saying that all US cattle are identical to all Canadian cattle, but for 12+ years after the passage of NAFTA, the Canucks screamed and put up an artificial trade barrier saying that ALL US CATTLE WERE DISEASED- no matter if as jdst said they were born a minute apart and a mile away- they were ALL automatically diseased...

I was wondering how long it would take you to start blathering on about that. As soon as you start to lose a debate, or are forced to listen logic and reason, you change the topic. Canada closed the border BECAUSE YOU HAD NO RESTRICTIONS ON ANIMAL MOVEMENTS FROM ANAPLAS POSTIVE AREAS! So in other words, all US cattle could have been diseased since you had absolutely no way of tracing or restricting movement.

Rod

Our M-COOL is no different than your ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED Anaplas/Bluetongue restriction -- Canadian cow spent one day, one mile south of the 49th and it had to be tested and quarantined to go back north... :wink: :lol:

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Our M-COOL is no different than your ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED Anaplas/Bluetongue restriction -- Canadian cow spent one day, one mile south of the 49th and it had to be tested and quarantined to go back north... :wink: :lol:

Of course it is, OT. Our Ana/blue restriction was a health and safety of the herd restriction. Your cool is nothing more than a blatant attempt at protectionism and stopping your own cattlemen from shipping stock north to save some money on grazing.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Our M-COOL is no different than your ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED Anaplas/Bluetongue restriction -- Canadian cow spent one day, one mile south of the 49th and it had to be tested and quarantined to go back north... :wink: :lol:

Of course it is, OT. Our Ana/blue restriction was a health and safety of the herd restriction. Your cool is nothing more than a blatant attempt at protectionism and stopping your own cattlemen from shipping stock north to save some money on grazing.

Rod

To me informing consumers of cattle/beef that come from a higher risk BSE infection area or from areas that have questionable pollution, drug and chemical use, slaughter and inspection practices, etc. etc. is definitely a health and safety issue not only for producers but especially for consumers!!!

Why would I want to stop our own cattlemen from shipping north and getting the cheap grazing up there?- I even looked at getting some- right across the border, but your protectionist laws required me to take in a 51% Canadian citizen partner in order to buy it......Blather on Rod.....

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Our M-COOL is no different than your ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED Anaplas/Bluetongue restriction -- Canadian cow spent one day, one mile south of the 49th and it had to be tested and quarantined to go back north... :wink: :lol:

Of course it is, OT. Our Ana/blue restriction was a health and safety of the herd restriction. Your cool is nothing more than a blatant attempt at protectionism and stopping your own cattlemen from shipping stock north to save some money on grazing.

Rod

To me informing consumers of cattle/beef that come from a higher risk BSE infection area or from areas that have questionable pollution, drug and chemical use, slaughter and inspection practices, etc. etc. is definitely a health and safety issue not only for producers but especially for consumers!!!

Why would I want to stop our own cattlemen from shipping north and getting the cheap grazing up there?- I even looked at getting some- right across the border, but your protectionist laws required me to take in a 51% Canadian citizen partner in order to buy it......Blather on Rod.....

Oldtimer we have listened to you complain about all the ranches being turned into private hunting reserves for the rich out of staters, ect. to the exclusion of locals and making it so the young of the area can't get a start ranching. Then you turn around and critisize the Sask.government that did something about the very thing you complain about all the time. If you want to ranch in Saskatchewan move here. It's that simple.

 

[Northern Rancher]

Not much danger BMR he wouldn't last past his first cold breakfast.

 

[Sandhusker]

Our M-COOL is no different than your ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED Anaplas/Bluetongue restriction -- Canadian cow spent one day, one mile south of the 49th and it had to be tested and quarantined to go back north... :wink: :lol:

Of course it is, OT. Our Ana/blue restriction was a health and safety of the herd restriction. Your cool is nothing more than a blatant attempt at protectionism and stopping your own cattlemen from shipping stock north to save some money on grazing.

Rod

I don't see how you can call COOL protectionism. Across the globe, COOL is becoming the norm. Are the countries that have already established it protectionists as well? If not, then why are we? If so, then the practice is already widespread, big deal.

Secondly, COOL doesn't keep out an ounce of imported beef. You've already got to label your beef to ship it here. You, and everybody else who exports to the US have been doing it for years. You wouldn't have to change a dang thing. COOL just keeps the labels you've been applying all the way to the consumer instead of stopping at the packer/processer.

If I was a Canadian, Australian, whatever and was proud of my product, I'd be upset that the label didn't make it to the consumer. I'd consider it protectionism to NOT label my product as mine, thus allowing consumers to believe that it was domestic.

 

[jdst]

Producers should be completely cool with COOL - and as much of it as can be done. Considering that 90% of the non-food industries have it - my new DVD burner, bought in Canada, has a label that reads "Assembled in USA of components from China, Malaysia and Mexico" - I can only assume the industry part of the food chain is fighting it because they are doing things consumers would find questionable.

The numbers they supply for costs are complete and utter crap. Or, maybe, consolidated conglomerates aren't as efficient as they would have MBA weanies believe.



Big Banks, Big Food, Big Oil, WTO - the real Axis of Evil

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Partially because over the years the US producers have worked tirelessly to instill in the US consumers a history of supporting and confidence with US agriculture and agriculture products- and now these consumers that have been so loyal are being deceived, misled, and defrauded....
Partially because of food safety- the BSE issue in Canada is definitely an issue and I believe the final choice on safety should be left to the consumers on it-- then you have the pollution, outlawed drugs and chemicals questions, slaughtering cleanliness, inspector credibility of Mexico and some of the emerging third world countries we are importing from and I think it becomes a right for consumers to have correctly labeled meat products.....

Rod- I honestly believe that if M-COOL existed- many of the issues between Canada and R-CALF would not exist....Its the fraud thats being used and the Canadian and multinational industries free ride on the shirttails of what the US producer has worked so hard to build, that has many members upset- not the Canadian producer themselves.....That wouldn't take away the BSE issue completely- but if consumers were given the correct labeling- the choice would be theirs...I think most R-CALF members would drop all opposition to the Final Rule if M-COOL was enacted and the FDA reinstituted the feedban rules they originally proposed....

because over the years the US producers have worked tirelessly to instill in the US consumers a history of supporting and confidence with US agriculture and agriculture products-

And then along comes R-CALF (and company) to undo US consumer confidence ..... they've made more than enough public "anti" remarks about the US industry.
For example: Oldtimer says that he eats only his own beef because he at least knows "has not been fed any tainted or prohibited products and has 0 risk= which I can't say for sure about other beef... "
"-- so I don't trust generic store bought meat as much as I do my own..."
"... you are just taking a gamble with higher risks against you, when you buy beef in a store...... "


His second paragraph is hilarious and the lamest attempt at justifying his (et al) previous comments that I have ever seen ... because not even 24 hours later - on the same thread he writes:

Then the minute the Canucks have their teat in a wringer, and have no market, and are begging for the border to reopen so they can get back to their free ride on the shirttails of an industry and market the US cattlemen spent years building- the disease is automatically not so bad they start looking at dropping these trade barriers if we open up our borders to their diseased cattle that are still showing up monthly- with a disease that could potentially cripple the US cattle industry.....

May be part of the of the reason I don't have a lot of sympathy or compassion for the Canadian cattle industry or put much credibility with the BS some of their producers try to put out about free trade anymore......

Here Oldtimer, since you are obssessed with "shirtails", I'll do a quick review for you;

QUOTING OLDTIMER .....

Definitely helped me develop my opinion of Canadians needing the US producers shirttails as they showed no wishes to stand on their own two feet.....

I guess beggars can't be choosers- because you can't afford to challenge the US beef and cattle and lose our US shirttails...

I never heard a Canadian even question the border opening move to allow in all US cattle... And I know it is not the science that keeps them from questioning it--they dare not make an actual move to squak or speak out publicly against US beef, as it might cut off their US shirttails to ride on again....

You guys up north have rode the shirttails of and lived off what the US built for you for so long now you aren't even thinking straight anymore..... We wouldn't even be discussing any of this if the US politicians hadn't decided to raise Mexico and Canada out of third world status- at the cost of the US producers and labor force

Remember those shirttails We fall you go down too.....

but then when they were falling all over themselves to get back on the gravy train riding the US producers shirttails-

Oh thats right--- we have to let you guys up north ride the US shirttails at the expense to the US producer—

....Lets see- start out riding the shirttails of the US cattle producer- live for years off the USDA stamp- and now get subsidized so you can better compete

…. because she can continue to sell her beef on the shirttails and cut in on the profits of the US producer.......Too bad people have no knowledge that they have eaten Canadian beef and it has to be labeled with the USDA label to get it to sell.....

Just too bad Canada can't use that effort to open up some outside markets without having to ride the US producers shirttails......

but we know this won't happen because Canada would still be in the third world of beef production if they ever challenged the multinational corporations and didn't ride on the shirttails of the US producer.......................

since the Canadian industry is tied to the shirttails of the US industry and if we go down the toilet you will pass us on the way to the cesspool....

Canadians decided to jump on the US producers shirttails—

The US is funding the freedom of world trade while Canada, like many other countries sit back and ride on the US taxpayers shirttails.....

---Sad that Canada has had to ride on the shirttails of an industry that generations of US cattle producers made and no-one in the world even knows they have ever ate Canadian beef

And you and r-calf insist it's "not the Canadian producer themselves" but the big bad multinationals.....

 

[Sandhusker]

SSAP, are you realted to Tam?

 

[Anonymous]

SSAP- I could get a big head with the way you have been following everything I say--that you think what I say is important enough to research and reprint...And especially since you have yet to factually repudiate a thing I have said... :wink: :lol: :lol:

Reason is its a fact--Canadian beef has the Canadian label removed, relabeled with the USDA inspected stamp, and is passed off and sold as US beef to make it marketable....And you can't prove any different....

I'm sorry Canadians coconspiracy in defrauding consumers is so embarrassing and hurts so bad, that it has caused you to develop a fantasy fixation with me :wink: - you're starting to remind me of Big Muddy and Tam that are screaming out Bill and Leos names in the middle of the night..... :wink: :lol: