Canadian Consumers have a Choice for their Health!!!

[Anonymous]

Looks to me like any law to keep Agricultural land out of the hands of non Canadians would have to be considered "protectionist"- and any law that works to keep Agricultural land cheap so the Canadian citizen producer has a better chance at succeeding is a "subsidy"....Not really a shining example of open and free trade :wink:

Just like a chronic bloater .... doesn't matter what you give him he continues to blow-up :wink:

He's so anti-Canadian he can't even think straight anymore.

Not anti Canadian- but I am anti Canadians that want to promote deception and fraud for financial profit....You call M-COOL and R-CALF protectionist- so what is a law that doesn't allow anyone not living in Canada to purchase Ag land called- even if that land borders US land?

Kind of comical how Canadians get on here and have to tell us how we should run our cattle and beef industries- but then want to turn around and sneak in the thru back door and tag along on it.....But then if we in the US make an effort to join their industry we're told its against the law...

Like one of the more honest Canadians that actually see the picture once posted on Agriville- Canadian producers would be better off sending their checkoff money to the USDA than to CBEF- they have accomplished more for Canadian beef...

And getting back on the subject of shirttailing- Prove me wrong... Show me where Canadian beef is being marketed in the US at a premium marked Product of Canada- show me where any Canadian beef is marketed retail to the consumer in the US marked Product of Canada-- I'm sure there must be at least a few places- but I have yet to find them...I have found Canadian pork (bacon and hams)- but they were prepackaged in Canada, so by law have to carry the labeling......

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

And getting back on the subject of shirttailing- Prove me wrong... Show me where Canadian beef is being marketed in the US at a premium marked Product of Canada- show me where any Canadian beef is marketed retail to the consumer in the US marked Product of Canada-- I'm sure there must be at least a few places- but I have yet to find them...I have found Canadian pork (bacon and hams)- but they were prepackaged in Canada, so by law have to carry the labeling......

OT, you PROVE that Canadian beef isn't coming into the US with Product of Canada stamped all over it. Prove it. Its YOUR countrymen and YOUR packers who are promoting Canadian beef as US beef. So keep your nose out of Canada's business and look to your own people. You want labelled beef, go ahead. 99.9% of Canadians (myself included) could care less. But quit whining about Canada stopping you. Its not happening. We have ZERO control over your government and lawmakers.

Its truly sad OT that the world has people like you in it. People who are so insecure about their world that they feel the need to insult others and their worlds to feel better. As long as people like you exist, the large packers and government will always be able to play producers off one another and the only people that lose are producers on both sides of the border.

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Even in the post above Rod admits that Canada is afraid to openly and fairly compete - so instead you have had to count on fraud and deception in order to market your product....Sad... Sad

Are you drinking again? Since when have I ever said that Canada is afraid to openly and fairly compete? What I said, and read closely OT so you don't get confused: Those who are against Cool are against it because they know that groups like RCalf and people like you would use the Cool label to frauduently (sp?) claim that US beef is safer somehow, despite having more lax standards with chemical use and a proven track record of importing disease into North America.

If you're going to attempt to use my words against me OT, at least make sure you get it right. Otherwise you come off looking like a fraud.

Rod

I call it protectionist because I know exactly what will happen: Guys like OT will utilize the label as a marketing ploy. And it won't be: Buy US Beef Cause Its Better, It'll be: Don't buy Canadian Beef because its unsafe!

I even strongly suspect that RCalf will jump on that bandwagon, given the organizations' anti-Canadian stance on all things beef related.

Rod there is your statement-- that appears to me like you are afraid to compete...That you would rather go along with lying to and deceiving consumers than openly proclaiming what your product is... If Canadas beef is safe or safer- if its truly a premium product-- its something you need to sell to the consumers and customers- in the open- not sneak around and continue to be the bastard child hiding in the closet...

 

[Anonymous]

And getting back on the subject of shirttailing- Prove me wrong... Show me where Canadian beef is being marketed in the US at a premium marked Product of Canada- show me where any Canadian beef is marketed retail to the consumer in the US marked Product of Canada-- I'm sure there must be at least a few places- but I have yet to find them...I have found Canadian pork (bacon and hams)- but they were prepackaged in Canada, so by law have to carry the labeling......

OT, you PROVE that Canadian beef isn't coming into the US with Product of Canada stamped all over it. Prove it. Its YOUR countrymen and YOUR packers who are promoting Canadian beef as US beef. So keep your nose out of Canada's business and look to your own people. You want labelled beef, go ahead. 99.9% of Canadians (myself included) could care less. But quit whining about Canada stopping you. Its not happening. We have ZERO control over your government and lawmakers.

Rod- I never said it wasn't... I know it is because I've seen the boxes in the dumpsters behind the grocery stores- and none in the stores is so labeled...As I said in a previous post- I'm aware of whos' doing the false labeling...But I'm also aware that Canadian producers are profiting from this fraud and that is the reason I take any of their arguments against any truth in labeling laws and M-COOL with very low credibility.... You have a short term financial motive in opposing M-COOL-- but if you look 5-10 years down the line, I think you'll be wishing you had it........

Its truly sad OT that the world has people like you in it. People who are so insecure about their world that they feel the need to insult others and their worlds to feel better. As long as people like you exist, the large packers and government will always be able to play producers off one another and the only people that lose are producers on both sides of the border.

Rod

 

[S.S.A.P.]

Looks to me like any law to keep Agricultural land out of the hands of non Canadians would have to be considered "protectionist"- and any law that works to keep Agricultural land cheap so the Canadian citizen producer has a better chance at succeeding is a "subsidy"....Not really a shining example of open and free trade :wink:

Just like a chronic bloater .... doesn't matter what you give him he continues to blow-up :wink:

He's so anti-Canadian he can't even think straight anymore.

Not anti Canadian- but I am anti Canadians that want to promote deception and fraud for financial profit....You call M-COOL and R-CALF protectionist- so what is a law that doesn't allow anyone not living in Canada to purchase Ag land called- even if that land borders US land?

Kind of comical how Canadians get on here and have to tell us how we should run our cattle and beef industries- but then want to turn around and sneak in the thru back door and tag along on it.....But then if we in the US make an effort to join their industry we're told its against the law...

Like one of the more honest Canadians that actually see the picture once posted on Agriville- Canadian producers would be better off sending their checkoff money to the USDA than to CBEF- they have accomplished more for Canadian beef...

And getting back on the subject of shirttailing- Prove me wrong... Show me where Canadian beef is being marketed in the US at a premium marked Product of Canada- show me where any Canadian beef is marketed retail to the consumer in the US marked Product of Canada-- I'm sure there must be at least a few places- but I have yet to find them...I have found Canadian pork (bacon and hams)- but they were prepackaged in Canada, so by law have to carry the labeling......

..... just a suggestion but maybe look in the pre-packaged sections.

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

Rod there is your statement-- that appears to me like you are afraid to compete...That you would rather go along with lying to and deceiving consumers than openly proclaiming what your product is... If Canadas beef is safe or safer- if its truly a premium product-- its something you need to sell to the consumers and customers- in the open- not sneak around and continue to be the bastard child hiding in the closet...

There is a huge difference between 'being afraid to compete' and 'being afraid that an influential group will utilize lies and disinformation in an attempt to destroy the livelihood of many of myself and many of my friends'. Just in this thread alone, you've already attempted to allude to Canada not having slaughter laws and drug laws equal to your own, even though ours are more stringent. Even our own testing far exceeds yours, yet you still swear your beef is far 'safer'. As far being able to compete, the cost of beef production in Canada is lower than the US, and we are able to raise beef here that consistently wins beef trials the world over.

Afraid to compete. :lol: :lol:

Rod

 

[Anonymous]

Rod there is your statement-- that appears to me like you are afraid to compete...That you would rather go along with lying to and deceiving consumers than openly proclaiming what your product is... If Canadas beef is safe or safer- if its truly a premium product-- its something you need to sell to the consumers and customers- in the open- not sneak around and continue to be the bastard child hiding in the closet...

There is a huge difference between 'being afraid to compete' and 'being afraid that an influential group will utilize lies and disinformation in an attempt to destroy the livelihood of many of myself and many of my friends'. Just in this thread alone, you've already attempted to allude to Canada not having slaughter laws and drug laws equal to your own, even though ours are more stringent. Even our own testing far exceeds yours, yet you still swear your beef is far 'safer'. As far being able to compete, the cost of beef production in Canada is lower than the US, and we are able to raise beef here that consistently wins beef trials the world over.

Afraid to compete. :lol: :lol:

Rod

Actually Rod- I was alluding to Mexico, Central and South America plus some of the third world type African countries we are importing from on the slaughter laws, inspection, and drug laws ( I believe it was Morrocco or somewhere over there that got caught sending us donkey meat-- but after how many shipments :???: )... I have no problems with Canadian slaughtering or inspection process- but I definitely do with others...You should read some of the OIG and media reports of the secret investigations they did on the Mexican slaughterhouses and their inspection actions/inactions/fraudulent actions....You may not want to buy generic beef again....Even their own news agencies have been questioning how much horse, donkey and goat meat is being passed off as beef- since it is much more profitable to sell the live Mexican cattle straight into the US with the cheap US corn and feed and the Mexican plants are not finding enough to slaughter to fill their orders......

 

[Tam]

SSAP, are you realted to Tam?

No Sandhusker SSAP is not related, But great minds think alike and I like the way she thinks :wink:

 

[Tam]

SSAP- I could get a big head with the way you have been following everything I say--that you think what I say is important enough to research and reprint...And especially since you have yet to factually repudiate a thing I have said... :wink: :lol: :lol:

Reason is its a fact--Canadian beef has the Canadian label removed, relabeled with the USDA inspected stamp, and is passed off and sold as US beef to make it marketable....And you can't prove any different....

I'm sorry Canadians coconspiracy in defrauding consumers is so embarrassing and hurts so bad, that it has caused you to develop a fantasy fixation with me :wink: - you're starting to remind me of Big Muddy and Tam that are screaming out Bill and Leos names in the middle of the night..... :wink: :lol:

"Canadians coconspiracy in defrauding consumers", would you like to explain to all of us how Canadians are coconspiritors of this fraud. We label the meat, sell it to the US wholesalers and YOUR BUTCHERS takes the labels off. :roll:


Reason is its a fact--Canadian beef has the Canadian label removed, relabeled with the USDA inspected stamp, and is passed off and sold as US beef to make it marketable....And you can't prove any different....

Do you have any facts to back up this little comment or or you going on bar room talk AGAIN?
And If our beef is so unmarketable why are we selling RECORD amounts of it to the US? If consumers didn't like it, it would not matter what it was labeled consumers wouldn't buy it. BUT since we are exporting RECORD amounts someone must like the taste. :wink:

"And you can't prove any different"

Oldtimer can you prove that YOUR BUTCHER is not relabeling the Canadian beef because he wants to seem loyal to the US industry BUT he can't get anything that was produced in the US that can compete with the Canadian beef taste and price wise. I dare say he can't and you are riding our, to use your favorite word, SHIRTTAILS. :wink:

With people like you around the US doesn't need PETA and the rest of the anti beef crowd. All they have to do is listen to you and they would never eat beef out of any store labeled or not. as you have said you don't trust the store bought meat yourself so why should they. Remember most store counter beef is US BEEF. :roll:

 

[Tam]

Oldtimer we have listened to you complain about all the ranches being turned into private hunting reserves for the rich out of staters, ect. to the exclusion of locals and making it so the young of the area can't get a start ranching. Then you turn around and critisize the Sask.government that did something about the very thing you complain about all the time. If you want to ranch in Saskatchewan move here. It's that simple.

He doesn't even have to do that. All he needs to do is what dozens of his peers have done and have someone custom feed his animals. There are no restrictions on doing so.

Rod

Actually Rod- Big Muddy-- I'm kind of glad for your protectionist subsidy law...It probably saved me a big chunk of money...This was just before the Canadians found Mad Cow (in about 1999-2000) we were trying to get this Canuck place and if it had been possible, we'd have got stuck with a bunch of worthless diseased cattle.... Actually worked out for the best...

Oldtimer in your eyes are all Canadian cattle worthless and diseases because we have BSE in our Native herd? And if so are all US cattle diseased because of Phyllis's findings? What makes your US cattle any different than what your Canadian cattle would have been if you had bought land up here? For you to have diseased cattle in Canada you would have had to have FED BAN INGREDIENTS TO THEM. What is to make us believe that if you would have fed BAN feed in Canada that you are not cutting corners in the US and raising diseased cattle by LEGALLY feeding them chicken crap and condemned pet food, or feed made by the countless feed plants that have been noncompliant or those that were involved in the massive feed recall because of comtaminated feed ingredients. :roll:

 

[ranch hand]

He doesn't even have to do that. All he needs to do is what dozens of his peers have done and have someone custom feed his animals. There are no restrictions on doing so.

Rod

Actually Rod- Big Muddy-- I'm kind of glad for your protectionist subsidy law...It probably saved me a big chunk of money...This was just before the Canadians found Mad Cow (in about 1999-2000) we were trying to get this Canuck place and if it had been possible, we'd have got stuck with a bunch of worthless diseased cattle.... Actually worked out for the best...

Oldtimer in your eyes are all Canadian cattle worthless and diseases because we have BSE in our Native herd? And if so are all US cattle diseased because of Phyllis's findings? What makes your US cattle any different than what your Canadian cattle would have been if you had bought land up here? For you to have diseased cattle in Canada you would have had to have FED BAN INGREDIENTS TO THEM. What is to make us believe that if you would have fed BAN feed in Canada that you are not cutting corners in the US and raising diseased cattle by LEGALLY feeding them chicken crap and condemned pet food, or feed made by the countless feed plants that have been noncompliant or those that were involved in the massive feed recall because of comtaminated feed ingredients. :roll:

If we have the problem you have Tam, let us deal with it before we bring in more. If we have a feed ban problem, then it needs to be cleaned up before we add more problems that can be included in these feeds. I don't see what is so hard for you to see that.
:roll: :shock: :???:

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, you never got back to me on that "new science". You're not just making stuff up, are you?

 

[Tam]

Actually Rod- Big Muddy-- I'm kind of glad for your protectionist subsidy law...It probably saved me a big chunk of money...This was just before the Canadians found Mad Cow (in about 1999-2000) we were trying to get this Canuck place and if it had been possible, we'd have got stuck with a bunch of worthless diseased cattle.... Actually worked out for the best...

Oldtimer in your eyes are all Canadian cattle worthless and diseases because we have BSE in our Native herd? And if so are all US cattle diseased because of Phyllis's findings? What makes your US cattle any different than what your Canadian cattle would have been if you had bought land up here? For you to have diseased cattle in Canada you would have had to have FED BAN INGREDIENTS TO THEM. What is to make us believe that if you would have fed BAN feed in Canada that you are not cutting corners in the US and raising diseased cattle by LEGALLY feeding them chicken crap and condemned pet food, or feed made by the countless feed plants that have been noncompliant or those that were involved in the massive feed recall because of comtaminated feed ingredients. :roll:

If we have the problem you have Tam, let us deal with it before we bring in more. If we have a feed ban problem, then it needs to be cleaned up before we add more problems that can be included in these feeds. I don't see what is so hard for you to see that.
:roll: :shock: :???:

If we have, OH YOU HAVE. You have had well over two years to do something about it too and the reason nothing has been done is because most of that time was spent on lies, denying the facts and pointing fingers to distract from the real problems brewing within the US by those in the industry. But go on bad mouthing our industry claiming all our cattle are worthless and diseased due to BSE but yours aren't and you have firewall to protect from US BSE but not imported. Just see if that gets yours cleaned up any faster. :roll:

 

[Tam]

Tam, you never got back to me on that "new science". You're not just making stuff up, are you?

Well Sandhusker we now KNOW that BSE is not contagious, something we didn't know in 1986 when the UK found BSE. This is if you listen to the test results on herdmates done by all countries that have found BSE in one animal and seldom found it in the rest of the herd. (Except the US as they can't find the birth herd :wink: ) And not the experts :roll: that says BSE can be passed by an infected cow p**sing on grass and the next cow eats the grass and contracts BSE. As if this was true and the prions can not be killed even over years then every cow that is ever in that pasture would be contracting BSE from the urine on the grass and in the water which cattle are known to pee in. And Every animal confined to a feed lot that an infect animal stayed in would be at risk. But that is not happening is it. Therefore, the only known risk of the US herd contracting BSE lies in the hands of the US feed manufacturers and the US Producers that feed the cattle. Now if the US cattle industry would get to work on cleaning up system then all US cattle and consumers would be protected from the effects of BSE no matter where it originates.
For the rest you can look it up yourself as I don't have the time nor do I care if I tell you anymore as you will never believe it anyway. :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Tam- Its pretty simple-- US packers are removing the Canadian markings and restamping with the USDA label and passing it off as US beef- I'm sure they aren't going thru the added effort and expense just for loyalty... Packers do things for only one reason, and its not loyalty, they do it to make money....OH I forgot- your one of the Canucks that still believe the Packers were being loyal to you when they took all the BSE subsidy money and ran with it- while letting the rest of the Canadian cattle industry starve :wink:

But they with their history to the organized crime ties I can expect it from- but when cattle producers go along with and openly support that deception and fraud it doesn't fit my image of cattlemen, ranchers or the history of what the cattle industry was built on....Tam if you support lying to and deceiveing consumers about what country their beef comes from- just so you can stick a few more bucks in your pocket, whats to say you won't lie and deceive on the shots and medication you give your calves- to make 2 bucks more-- or the age and birthdate on your calves if its worth another dollar...... Once you start supporting profiting off deception and fraud you are travelling a slippery slope...

As far as the BSE risk- we have only one thing to go on--CFIA's and USDA's testing results-...And right now these results indicate that Canada has a BSE problem several hundred times greater than the US- and that Canada has a feedban that didn't work or is being violated- why else for the 4 POST feedban cattle....That makes Canadian beef several hundred times more of a risk than US beef- and the final decision on that safety should be left to the consumer.....Especially since CFIA indicates it will be over 10 years before Canada can even hope to eradicate the disease...You can deny it and stick your head in the sand all you want- but that are the facts out there and denial won't change the facts....

 

[DiamondSCattleCo]

You can deny it and stick your head in the sand all you want- but that are the facts out there and denial won't change the facts....

As usual though, you misinterpret the facts. The US and Canada are considered to in the exact same risk category. Why? Because the statistical analysis is weighted properly. In other words: Canada tests a greater percentage AND tests higher risk animals than the US does. So we're going to find more raw numbers of BSE animals. The US can test all the low risk animals it wants to, but that doesn't change your rating with the world.

Lets see if I can put it some way you can comprehend: If a country tests 10 high risk animals and 10,000 low risk animals and finds 2 BSE cases, they are considered the same risk as another country that tests 6000 high risk and 10 low risk animals and finds 6 BSE animals. It makes absolutely no difference the size of the herd in each country. Understand now?

Rod

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, you never got back to me on that "new science". You're not just making stuff up, are you?

Well Sandhusker we now KNOW that BSE is not contagious, something we didn't know in 1986 when the UK found BSE. This is if you listen to the test results on herdmates done by all countries that have found BSE in one animal and seldom found it in the rest of the herd. (Except the US as they can't find the birth herd :wink: ) And not the experts :roll: that says BSE can be passed by an infected cow p**sing on grass and the next cow eats the grass and contracts BSE. As if this was true and the prions can not be killed even over years then every cow that is ever in that pasture would be contracting BSE from the urine on the grass and in the water which cattle are known to pee in. And Every animal confined to a feed lot that an infect animal stayed in would be at risk. But that is not happening is it. Therefore, the only known risk of the US herd contracting BSE lies in the hands of the US feed manufacturers and the US Producers that feed the cattle. Now if the US cattle industry would get to work on cleaning up system then all US cattle and consumers would be protected from the effects of BSE no matter where it originates.
For the rest you can look it up yourself as I don't have the time nor do I care if I tell you anymore as you will never believe it anyway. :roll:

No, no, no, Tam. You were talking about the "new science" that must have been discovered after the US set our BSE policy. ( a tad later than 1986) Here's what you said, "Couldn't changing some of your old policies to reflect the new known science be a good thing for the industry as a whole, grassroot producers included. Or did you forget that if your import policies don't change to reflect the new science then other countries also have the right to ban YOUR BEEF on the bases of old science. "

Tam, there is no "new science". We knew BSE wasn't contagous when the USDA decided on the zero tolerance policy that was abandoned so the big packers could still get Canadian beef. When you have to make up points to back your position, you really need to reexamine that position.

 

[Sandhusker]

You can deny it and stick your head in the sand all you want- but that are the facts out there and denial won't change the facts....

As usual though, you misinterpret the facts. The US and Canada are considered to in the exact same risk category. Why? Because the statistical analysis is weighted properly. In other words: Canada tests a greater percentage AND tests higher risk animals than the US does. So we're going to find more raw numbers of BSE animals. The US can test all the low risk animals it wants to, but that doesn't change your rating with the world.

Lets see if I can put it some way you can comprehend: If a country tests 10 high risk animals and 10,000 low risk animals and finds 2 BSE cases, they are considered the same risk as another country that tests 6000 high risk and 10 low risk animals and finds 6 BSE animals. It makes absolutely no difference the size of the herd in each country. Understand now?

Rod

We are considered the same risk because those who made the risk categories want it so. Look who was behind the push to change the categories. How else can you explain ignoring your post ban positives. Before an "effective feed ban" was suddenly discounted, we were in different categories.

Roughly, you've found 1 case for every 1.5M head. We've found 1 for every 45M. You haven't tested 30 times the cattle that we have.

 

[Anonymous]

You can deny it and stick your head in the sand all you want- but that are the facts out there and denial won't change the facts....

As usual though, you misinterpret the facts. The US and Canada are considered to in the exact same risk category. Why? Because the statistical analysis is weighted properly. In other words: Canada tests a greater percentage AND tests higher risk animals than the US does. So we're going to find more raw numbers of BSE animals. The US can test all the low risk animals it wants to, but that doesn't change your rating with the world.

Lets see if I can put it some way you can comprehend: If a country tests 10 high risk animals and 10,000 low risk animals and finds 2 BSE cases, they are considered the same risk as another country that tests 6000 high risk and 10 low risk animals and finds 6 BSE animals. It makes absolutely no difference the size of the herd in each country. Understand now?

Rod

For how long Rod? The US has applied for "negligible risk" status and if I was a betting man I'd bet the farm the OIE gives it to them...On the other hand, by the standards of the categories, Canada would not even qualify for "controlled risk" since they cannot prove having an effective feed ban and would qualify only as "undetermined risk" at this time....

Unless somehow you can fabricate 4 POST feedbans, including one born 5 years after the feedban, into being an effective feedban :???:

 

[Tam]

Tam- Its pretty simple-- US packers are removing the Canadian markings and restamping with the USDA label and passing it off as US beef- I'm sure they aren't going thru the added effort and expense just for loyalty... Packers do things for only one reason, and its not loyalty, they do it to make money....OH I forgot- your one of the Canucks that still believe the Packers were being loyal to you when they took all the BSE subsidy money and ran with it- while letting the rest of the Canadian cattle industry starve :wink:

But they with their history to the organized crime ties I can expect it from- but when cattle producers go along with and openly support that deception and fraud it doesn't fit my image of cattlemen, ranchers or the history of what the cattle industry was built on....Tam if you support lying to and deceiveing consumers about what country their beef comes from- just so you can stick a few more bucks in your pocket, whats to say you won't lie and deceive on the shots and medication you give your calves- to make 2 bucks more-- or the age and birthdate on your calves if its worth another dollar...... Once you start supporting profiting off deception and fraud you are travelling a slippery slope...

As far as the BSE risk- we have only one thing to go on--CFIA's and USDA's testing results-...And right now these results indicate that Canada has a BSE problem several hundred times greater than the US- and that Canada has a feedban that didn't work or is being violated- why else for the 4 POST feedban cattle....That makes Canadian beef several hundred times more of a risk than US beef- and the final decision on that safety should be left to the consumer.....Especially since CFIA indicates it will be over 10 years before Canada can even hope to eradicate the disease...You can deny it and stick your head in the sand all you want- but that are the facts out there and denial won't change the facts....

So the boxes in the dumpster were out behind a US PACKING Plant, :shock: and the labels were changed before they hit your local butcher shop. :shock: A shop that would be trying to sell product with the US loyality card to US consumers wanting to show loyality to the US beef industry. :wink: I didn't know Glasgow had a packer that you would be dumpster diving behind. :lol: Oh I forgot you blame the packers and Canadians for everything, even the actions of YOUR LOCAL GLASGOW BUTCHER who according to your original statement is the one changing the labels and defrauding the public!!!

And you are one to talk about supporting lieing to stick a few bucks in your pocket. :x Tell us why you are supporting the lies of R-CALF if it is not to stick a few more bucks in your pocket, OLDTIMER? R-CALF claimed all our beef was tainted and unsafe for human consumption and you just posted you would have been stuck with diseased Canadian cattle if you had bought land in Canada. Well Oldtimer is ALL US BEEF UNSAFE because of your BSE problem. Or is it all of a sudden safe because of some magicial firewalls that protect consumers from US BSE but NOT IMPORTED. If you support the R-CALF statement of the US has the Safest Beef in the World because of the Highest standards in the World you are doing so because of your pocket book and you are already at the bottom of that slippery slope.

As far as the BSE risk- we have only one thing to go on--CFIA's and USDA's testing results-...And right now these results indicate that Canada has a BSE problem several hundred times greater than the US-

You Know Oldtimer the more you point fingers at the Canadian system the more questions you should be asking about YOUR SYSTEM. The test results proved one thing to most of the world and that was that if it wasn't for Phyllis the US would still be claiming they have no BSE in their native herd. Way to go Phyllis. And when she did that she also put a big question mark on the whole US BEEF INDUSTRY. Using the USDA test results to prove Canada is a higher risk is a joke. The only thing they prove is that we are looking to find the truth and we are willing to pass laws to clean up our system unlike the US industry. WE ALL KNOW you have BSE,(THANKS TO PHYLLIS) but has your industry done anything about it, NO. ASK YOURSELF
Where did your strain of BSE come from? I bet you can even tell us where Canada's came from. hint imported UK cattle in our feed system

What can be done about stopping the spread of your strain? Our feed bans have been updated AGAIN have yours? and before you say yours is not the same strain remember Oldtimer the Washington cow was in your system and processed along with millions of other Canadian cattle so I would think you would want to update your feed bans to protect your herd from at least the strain you know the cause of?

How long will it take the US to eradicate BSE from the US herd ? You say the CFIA indicated ten years but if you don't even know the source then how can you estimate how long it will take to eradicate the US strain and how long will it take to eradicate our strain from your herd if you still feed chicken crap to your cattle LEGALLY?

When do you think the US will start implimenting rules to protect you from BSE? OTHER than banning imports that will not protect you from what is ALREADY IN THE US NATIVE HERD. See Oldtimer you should have the answers to at least a few of the questions about the US BSE problem before you claim to know how much bigger our problem is. Who is really the higher risk with their unknowns and do nothing but blame attitudes. I agree label the beef OLDTIMER so the US consumer knows what to avoid which should be US BEEF if they really believe there is a risk to any beef :wink: