Cattle mutilation

[Leo99]

I am a TV journalist and director, based in Montreal, and I'm directing a documentary for the History Channel about the phenomenon of cattle mutilation. I'd be grateful for any help or information that this community can pass on to help us with our project.

As you probably know some experts think the mutilation is the work of scavengers, but there's also a lot of less 'mundane' theories - from aliens to government conspiracy. As far as possible we want to conduct an objective investigate for ourselves. We'll be showing samples and photographs of past cases to vetinary pathologists and surgeons. But we would also like to know if anyone hears of a recent or current case. We would hope to get out to the site as soon as possible and take samples, photographs and video.

Any information could be sent to the following email address: leosinger [at] ymail dot com.

Of course any information given would be in confidence. But I would ask you to send me a telephone number so we can follow up with a phone call if necessary.

Thanks in advance for any help or tips.

Leo Singer
CMJ Productions

 

[Anonymous]

Contact the Cascade County Sheriffs Office- Great Falls Montana...
I can't remember the Investigators name right now- but they had a Deputy that investigated numerous "alledged" mutilations during the 70's and 80's- and I think wrote a book about it.....
He'd be retired now (if he's even alive) but I'm sure someone there would know who I'm talking about- what his book is- and maybe put you in touch with him....

 

[Mrs.Greg]

I am a TV journalist and director, based in Montreal, and I'm directing a documentary for the History Channel about the phenomenon of cattle mutilation. I'd be grateful for any help or information that this community can pass on to help us with our project.

As you probably know some experts think the mutilation is the work of scavengers, but there's also a lot of less 'mundane' theories - from aliens to government conspiracy. As far as possible we want to conduct an objective investigate for ourselves. We'll be showing samples and photographs of past cases to vetinary pathologists and surgeons. But we would also like to know if anyone hears of a recent or current case. We would hope to get out to the site as soon as possible and take samples, photographs and video.

Any information could be sent to the following email address: leosinger [at] ymail dot com.

Of course any information given would be in confidence. But I would ask you to send me a telephone number so we can follow up with a phone call if necessary.

Thanks in advance for any help or tips.

Leo Singer
CMJ Productions

Your sure brave coming into Bull session with the name Leo attached..... :wink: :lol2: :lol2:

There was one of these incidents not too far from here about a year ago. PureCountry could give you more info. Maybe pm him or post this in ranchtalk,lots of ranchers don't set foot in Bull.

 

[flounder]

I am a TV journalist and director, based in Montreal, and I'm directing a documentary for the History Channel about the phenomenon of cattle mutilation. I'd be grateful for any help or information that this community can pass on to help us with our project.

As you probably know some experts think the mutilation is the work of scavengers, but there's also a lot of less 'mundane' theories - from aliens to government conspiracy. As far as possible we want to conduct an objective investigate for ourselves. We'll be showing samples and photographs of past cases to vetinary pathologists and surgeons. But we would also like to know if anyone hears of a recent or current case. We would hope to get out to the site as soon as possible and take samples, photographs and video.

Any information could be sent to the following email address: leosinger [at] ymail dot com.

Of course any information given would be in confidence. But I would ask you to send me a telephone number so we can follow up with a phone call if necessary.

Thanks in advance for any help or tips.

Leo Singer
CMJ Productions

Hello Mr. Singer,


i thought the history channel had already did a show about cattle mutilations a while back. is this a follow-up? do you have further evidence that it was a government cover-up of mad cow disease?


A rancher's nightmare, the mysterious murder of livestock has plagued farmlands worldwide for generations. Commonly known as cattle mutilations, these bizarre deaths happen to horses, goats, sheep, rabbits, and others, though the most frequent victims are cattle. Most often, udders, ears, tongues, and eyes are somehow surgically removed from the animal without spilling a drop of blood! We explore the prevailing belief that extraterrestrial beings bear responsibility for these grotesque, bloodless slaughters. Alien presence provides an explanation for the manner of killings and the ability to perform the delicate operation so consistently and so precisely. Viewers will watch an actual field investigation unfold as we delve into the history of the cattle mutilation phenomenon and its connection to UFOs.

Rating: TVPG V

Running Time: 30 minutes

Genre:Mysteries of History

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=242316

i also remember Colm Kelleher mentioning this several times while interviewing me, during the writing of his book Brain Trust. i sent him a ton of data on mad cow disease and the USDA et al, and data on Alzheimer's disease and CJD. but i had nothing on the Martians though :?

Are the cattle mutilations discovered in the last 30 years part of a covert, illegal sampling program designed to learn how far the deadly prions have spread throughout the nation's livestock and beef products? Exposing the devastating truth about Mad Cow Disease and a new theory of the possible consequences of a little-known government research program and the potential national health catastrophe that may be the result, Brain Trust inoculates Americans with an effective cure: the truth. "

http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Trust/dp/B000FC2LSM


kind regards,
terry

 

[kolanuraven]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


I'd venture to say a wild Jackalope attacked those cattle!!!!! :wink: :wink:

They made a movie about wild Jackalopes....called StagBunny!

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Oh Goody...Terry followed the thread..... :roll:


Kola,my daughter was working for the guy that lost the cattle,she said it was pretty wierd for sure. Never crossed my mind that the radical loons would be slaughtering the cattle to check for prions though :roll:

 

[kolanuraven]

Oh Goody...Terry followed the thread..... :roll:


Kola,my daughter was working for the guy that lost the cattle,she said it was pretty wierd for sure. Never crossed my mind that the radical loons would be slaughtering the cattle to check for prions though :evil:

I'm not into the " aliens" things....nor the random vigilante slaughter.

We would find cattle at times on the ranches in NE and/or WY that looked pretty odd.....but of course by the time we found them on the " umpteen thousand acres" .....time and decay and critters had taken their toll and left some pretty ' odd' evidence that could have been' translated' many ways.

I'm leery of the whole theory.

 

[Leo99]

Hello Mr. Singer,


i thought the history channel had already did a show about cattle mutilations a while back. is this a follow-up? do you have further evidence that it was a government cover-up of mad cow disease?


terry

It's not exactly a follow up - that show was part of the series UFO Files, and their emphasis was strongly on the UFO/alien abduction 'angle'. We're not going to get into the alien theory - we're more interested in analysing samples and figuring out whether or not this is the work of scavengers, or something else...

It would also be useful to get your responses to the following couple of questions:

1. How often do you see unexpected cattle deaths, with no previous symptoms of illness? (not including deaths from predators, or weather)

2. When animals that have died from natural causes have been scavenged (by coyotes/foxes/birds etc), how messy is the carcass? Is there blood around the animal, as well as on the ground? Or do the incisions look fairly neat and bloodless?

Thanks for all your help so far. Much appreciated.

Leo

 

[mytfarms]

Well, I'd have to say that whenever we lose a cow, calf, horse, ect, and the coyotes get to 'er, there ain't no blood on the ground. However, the center/stomach cavity of the animal is usually ripped open and you can tell that a coyote's been there. As far as "UFO's" and a government conspiracy goes, :roll:, PLEASE.

 

[bverellen]

I recall hearing about a bunch of those in the San Louis Valley in South Central Colorado.

The last mutilation we experienced was due to some theiving Cubanos..................

bart.

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[PureCountry]

The one that happened here was very strange. The cow and calf had been opened up in ways I've never seen. The cuts really did look precise and surgical, and there were areas where the muscle and tissues were completely gone from ribs and vertebrae, as if someone had sandblasted the bones clean. Also, the edges of all the wounds were blackened, almost giving them a seared look. It was just downright strange, something that if you stood over them and looked, you'd have a pretty hard time making a logical case for anything human or scavenger-like.

The most unique part of this story I thought, was the fact that it happened along a major highway, and only 400 yards from the busiest intersection in the county. It's a 30 acre pasture next to Hardisty's "Oil Alley" or tank farm, where 6 different oil companies have a combined 50-some tanks for storing crude. Trucks haul in and out of that place 24 hours/day, and all of the load-unload terminals are manned by 3-4 man crews around the clock. Nothing was ever reported, and no witnesses ever came forward.

 

[Texan]

When animals that have died from natural causes have been scavenged (by coyotes/foxes/birds etc), how messy is the carcass? Is there blood around the animal, as well as on the ground? Or do the incisions look fairly neat and bloodless?

Some of the buzzards that we have here, the black vulture that we call Mexican buzzards, can pop out eyeballs neater than an eye surgeon and with a lot less mess.

I've also seen them take a diamond-shaped piece of hide off from around a cow's udder with surgical precision that I couldn't have matched with a straightedge and a scalpel.

Spend a little time watching the scavengers do their job on a fresh kill. They're good at what they do.

 

[I Luv Herfrds]

Some friends east of us lost some cattle, they were most definately mutilated. There was a reporter from the Great Falls Tribune doing a story on the mutialtions and interviewed them. They asked that their names be kept out of the paper so the freaks wouldn't contact them, reporter didn't.
I will have to call him up because if I remember correctly his wife had a book about these mutilations occuring across the west for some time.

 

[Clarencen]

About 15 yars ago I found a yearling steer that I thought might have possibly been a mutilation. At that time there was said to be a cult, devil worshipers, here on the Indian reservation. This steer appeared to have a perfectly round patch of hide about nine or ten inches in diameter taken from its side. Also hide and flesh had been removed from its jaw and face and part of its lips.

I really didn't think anyone had been there to do this as there was no tracks or anything, but I took pictures of it in case we heard of something similuar, I should still have them someplace. I showed these pictures to several people, they said it looked like it had been cut with a knife. Then I showed it to our Veterinarian, He said that looked like something ordinary and natural. I tend to believe that the round hole in its side was where it bloated then gas broke through the hide and the hot sun caused it to shrink that way. I think eagles worked on its face and jaw. Turkey vulchures work on dead critters too. Usually they will eat the eyes then wait until it decomposes some before eating more of it.

It turned out that the devil worshippers were just kids playing with a ouiji board.

 

[Denny]

I have a 200# calf right now that is missing a 2" wide strip of hide from his shoulders back to his tail.He also has 3 large gashes/claw marks from his lower rib cage up to it's back bone.

The neighbor's next to this pasture have said they have seen a Cougar in the area to which I did'nt believe. Whatever happened the calf looks to be lucky his mama is a waspy gal.As far as a cougar goes if I see him there will be a rug on my wall.

 

[jigs]

during the 80's we had a devil worshiping cult running around pretty hard. cult is still active, but not as many wild stories about them.

had several calves found dead with ZERO blood, and surgicle insicions to take the vital organs ..... very odd deal.
rumor had it they wanted to steal a baby boy less than 6 months old for a sacrifice.

was a freaky time for sure, everyone was on edge, even had groups of guys out at night patroling for the cult, gonna beat them up or something....

still freaks me out

 

[andybob]

All the mutilation cases I have had first hand experience with were all witchcraft related, most cases were successfully investigated and the culprits convicted. There is a world of difference between Africa and USA/Canada, but the common denominator is that all these things have a logical explanation.

 

[Leo99]

Thanks for all the info so far. There seems to be a real split between those who think the mutilation is caused by scavengers, and those who are convinced it's something else - something sinister.

If anyone hears of a current case, I'd be very interested to know about it. We would hope to get veterinary pathologists etc to the site as quickly as possible and analyse the carcass.

thanks again, and keep the stories coming...!

 

[jigs]

pay me for the steer, and I can fake one for you...as long as you get your story before I go to the butcher....

 

[Redranch]

The book Oldtimer is talking about is called Mystery Stalks the Prairie by Roberta Donovan and Keith Wolverton. I found a mutilation once and had Keith and other deputy's out to investigate in the early 70s. Was a 2 year old Angus bull, had no blood, ear was cut off and a strip of hide gone. The ear had dirt embedded in it but was facing up and not under his head. Had a vet skin it and found no puncher wounds. So how was this done to a 1600 pound bull. I went out and bought the book, very good reading. Probably can google it.