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Cattlemen's Group Wrangles With Its Former Allies

Say ,the latest cost of SRM removal is about $146 US. bucks an animal and if the Canadians BSE tested and their was no SRM removal to be done then their animal value would increase by the same amount.

That is what happens to your perspective as producers when we only look at the spread between our selling price of animals and the consumer retail price? Do we forget about the additional costs in between? YES its CHEAPER to BSE test than throw out $146 bucks a animal.Whats it gonna be , $18 dollar test or $146 bucks of good product. Maybe Tyson doesn't care either way!

Would you like to contact the head of cattle procurement for Tyson yourself or are you like Hayseed in thinking that they wouldn't tell you the truth?
 
Just check out SH's statement, Murgen. We're talking bottom line.

Don't you find it amusing that SH has to do research and make phone calls as he doesn't have any hard numbers to back his BS, yet he seemed to know enough about it to make a matter-of-fact comment in the first place?

For you to make that statement, you would have to of had information, unless you were just making it up. (that would be lying/deceiving) All you have to do is post that information. What's the delay?

Do you lend money at your bank without looking at the ability to repay?

I'm suprised you are only looking at the purchase price of inputs, compared to the selling price of the packers produce!
 
Say ,the latest cost of SRM removal is about $146 US. bucks an animal and if the Canadians BSE tested and their was no SRM removal to be done then their animal value would increase by the same amount.

That is what happens to your perspective as producers when we only look at the spread between our selling price of animals and the consumer retail price? Do we forget about the additional costs in between? YES its CHEAPER to BSE test than throw out $146 bucks a animal.Whats it gonna be , $18 dollar test or $146 bucks of good product. Maybe Tyson doesn't care either way!

Would you like to contact the head of cattle procurement for Tyson yourself or are you like Hayseed in thinking that they wouldn't tell you the truth?

Porker, if it was that easy to make $128, why wouldn't the packers be willing to do it? Short vs. long, that's the reason! What do they know/expect that we as producers don't?
 
Oh gee Murgen, none of these extra costs affected the plants in the USA now did they?

Randy, that depends on the product being produced at said plants. Did they produce boxed beef? Sides, for furthering processing? and were they following the same guidelines/food safety precautions as Canada?

But hey, I'm not saying this bet is going to go one way or another, I was just bringing up some points!
 
Yip good points Murgen. Boxed beef across the line has all been UTM right.

I wonder if SH has considered the gains to Cargill and Tyson due to closure of other American plants in the NW. Or the ability Cargill had to buy out competition in Canada.

You are so far from a dance of victory SH, it's not funny.

Hey Murgen, are you simply trying to clog up space on this thread to throw the gladiators off track. I know your referee ways. Your points are valid, but you ai'nt getting me off SH's back on this one. His fairy tale is simply that. And my claim that Cargill and Tyson were happy to have the border closed is making more sense with each bit of evidence dug up by the old Dog.
 
There's that SH ---- it's not funny thing again.

Hey Murgen, what do you think about the fact that shutting down shifts at the Pasco plant actually made Tyson money since Agman and SH said they were losing money on every animal processed anyway? I like that one a lot. Should be good for an ignorant farmer label from our emotionally distraught packer lover.
 
Hey Murgen, are you simply trying to clog up space on this thread to throw the gladiators off track. I know your referee ways. Your points are valid, but you ai'nt getting me off SH's back on this one. His fairy tale is simply that. And my claim that Cargill and Tyson were happy to have the border closed is making more sense with each bit of evidence dug up by the old Dog.

Randy, I stayed off this thread for a long time. You know me, just pointing out the intangible, so I can understand all the facts! Sorry, I'll stay quiet now, so the bet can be won, fair and square!
 
Hey Murgen, what do you think about the fact that shutting down shifts at the Pasco plant actually made Tyson money since Agman and SH said they were losing money on every animal processed anyway?

Kind of like keeping the barn full, or harvesting a crop, when you know it's going to lose you more money in the long run.

I guess when it comes to the plants, what was it costing them in labour vs. the loss in efficiency of production numbers, at their disposal?

were those losses better used somewhere else? (say, to buy a new plant?) To be paid over the longer term?
 
Sandhusker: "Don't you find it amusing that SH has to do research and make phone calls as he doesn't have any hard numbers to back his BS, yet he seemed to know enough about it to make a matter-of-fact comment in the first place?"

I knew how the slaughter capacity had been reduced in those plants because I had read it from numerous sources, I knew Tyson had shown losses for that time period because Agman had previously posted them, and I knew that Lakeside had incurred additional expense with SRM removal of cattle under 30 months of age because I read that. If I was going to have to retrieve this information, it was going to be worth my time by watching you divert having to make good on a $100 bet because I knew you'd never accept anything I brought. The only satisfaction I get out of this is watching you dance around what you do not want to believe.

I conducted further research and will continue to do so in order for you to have more to dance around. I know how compelling your need to blame packers is so I find your desperation dance and diversion tactics incredibly entertaining.

You are such a hypocrite too. I asked you 30 times to provide the proof of market manipulation in the Pickett case and you ignored and diverted every time, yet you demand HARD NUMBERS BY GAWD that you wouldn't believe anyway because it doesn't support your packer blaming bias.

If it's not what you want to hear, you won't believe it so I'm going to have fun with this for as long as I can and watch you squirm, divert, dodge, and duck the obvious economic aspects of this issue as they stare you in the face.

All anyone who wants to know the truth on this issue has to do is pick up the phone and call the Tyson office and ask them if the profits from the Lakeside Canada plant were enough to offset the losses in the Pasco and Boise plants. You won't do that because you don't want to know the truth, you want to "BWAME DA PACKAH" and pretend that you know so much more than you do.

How can what I posted be BS when you haven't contradicted a single thing I have posted yet? It's only BS because you want it to be BS and you say it's BS not because you proved it to be BS because you never prove anything and you never will.

Look at Murgen. An innocent bystander but intellectual enough economically to see the bigger picture. You won't see him trying to defend your position because he's much smarter than that.

What I find incredibly amusing is that someone could be so ignorant about this industry that they would actually believe that 2 plants, with a combined normal slaughter capacity of 4000 head ONLY RUNNING AT 35% OF NORMAL CAPACITY, would not be losing more money than a 3800 head slaughter plant running at full capacity with the added expense of SRM removal for animals younger than 30 months in Canada.

Worse yet, all you'd have to do is pick up the phone and call the Tyson office and ask them the same question I did. If I lied, you got me nailed so pick up the phone. The answer is right there if you can handle the truth. Neither of you will because your need to blame packers is so much stronger than your desire for the truth.

I'll post the rest of the information I have as I get around to it or as I feel like it. For now I'm content to watch Randy and Sandman dance with eachother and convince eachother that I am wrong and they are right with nothing to support their views but the need to blame.



~SH~
 
Did anybody see SH provide any proof to his fabrication? Did anybody see Lakeside's profit figures? Did anybody see the loss figures for Tyson's Idaho and Washington plants?

Keep diverting and dragging your feet, SH. With each post you make that provides nothing, you expose yourself more. You deliberately and knowingly made a statement that you knew was false. Even your best crony, Agman, wants nothing to do with your statement. You owe me $100.
 
Sure a lot to read on that post SH. I went to sleep for a while and had to come back to it.

I'll have to get on that phone call tomorrow to one of those cry babies over at Tyson. Hell I won't even have to call down to Pasco, the wimp here at Brooks will tell me they even lost money for crying out loud.

Keep talking SH, I', sorry but I am more convinced than ever that Tyson had no use for an open border. Sounds good to me to cut back on production when you're loosing money on each item through. Looks like Tyson made money on each side of the line. Let's see. I'm losing 50 dollars a head. I kill ten less cattle, I put $500.00 in my pocket. I pay out my employee who I pay $3.00 per head. I still have $470.00 to pay other bills. Call it Kindergarten economics if you like SH, sounds to me that Tyson benefitted on both sides of the border from BSE, not to mention the way their competitors were squashed along the way.

Rcalf SmaRcalf, Tyson and Cargill wanted the border closed more than Leo and Pat.
 
Can you believe this clown, Kaiser? We're the ones squirming, dodging, and ducking? We're the ones who don't want to know the truth? We're supposed to contradict his statement when he is the one who proposed a bet that he could back the statement? We're the ones dancing with nothing to suppport our views? :roll:

SH, "I'll post the rest of the information I have as I get around to it or as I feel like it."

You'll post nothing because you have nothing. :P If you had it, you would of posted it. And you call me the pathetic deceiver.....

You owe me $100
 
WARNING: DO NOT DRINK BEVERAGES WHEN READING RANDY KAISER'S POSTS.


RK: "If they were losing money like you guys claim tha American plants were, then gues what, they saved lossed or MADE money."

RK: "Hey Murgen, what do you think about the fact that shutting down shifts at the Pasco plant actually made Tyson money since Agman and SH said they were losing money on every animal processed anyway? I like that one a lot."

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Now closing your plants to cut losses, IS MAKING MONEY????

BWAHAHAHAHA!


Ah............ok randy, whatever you say!

Cling to you sword.....wait, no it's a cracked broom stick. Hahaha!


PORKER: "Say ,the latest cost of SRM removal is about $146 US. bucks an animal and if the Canadians BSE tested and their was no SRM removal to be done then their animal value would increase by the same amount."

WOW, Porker whips a high fast ball right past the heads of the packer blamers.

The plot thickens further!

Randy and Sandman,

Was Pasco and Boise removing SRM's in cattle under 30 months of age?

Was Lakeside in Canada removing SRM's in cattle under 30 months of age?

This might be another clue to your eventual defeat.

Let's call it a slow death.


PORKER: "That is what happens to your perspective as producers when we only look at the spread between our selling price of animals and the consumer retail price? Do we forget about the additional costs in between?"

Porker has it figured out, why can't you guys?

How about $170 per head of processing costs WITHOUT SRM REMOVAL.


Wait until I present the Lakeside information from the Canadian governments study. That's even better.


You guys feeling lonely yet? I don't see a lot of support out there. I guess most folks have enough business sense to realize the impact of two plants with a combined slaughter capacity of 4000 head running at 35% for a year. BUT NOT YOU TWO...... NOOOOOOOOO!

At least you have eachother for support. I'm sure Hayseed is probably drinking whiskey behind the bleachers if you need him.


RK: "I wonder if SH has considered the gains to Cargill and Tyson due to closure of other American plants in the NW."

RED HERRING!

We know what Tyson lost during this time period as it's public information to their stockholders.

We know the capacity Pasco and Boise were operating at so other plants closing did not add enough to their capacity to make any difference or they wouldn't be running at 35% capacity.

Talk about an empty argument. Nice try though. Hahaha!

Your last one was even better.


Randy Kaiser: "And my claim that Cargill and Tyson were happy to have the border closed is making more sense with each bit of evidence dug up by the old Dog."

Hahaha!

Yup, John Tyson tells the world that they need the Canadian border opened, their profitability reports show they need the Canadian border opened and they site a closed Canadian border as contributing to their losses in their reports, and R-CULT says they want it opened which is one of the only things R-CULT has ever been right about it. Randy and Sandman batting for the same team when they each believe the packers have different motives but only one of them can be right. Sandman's beloved R-CULT says packers want cheap Canadian cattle to profit from by selling them as U.S. product. Randy says packers wanted to see the border stay closed. As long as the topic of packer motives doesn't come up, it appears they are both playing for the same team with a win loss record of 0 wins and all losses. LOL!

Randy thinks Tyson filing an amicus brief is a "SMOKESCREEN" but who should be surprised? He also thinks a plant reducing it's losses is MAKING MONEY. Hahaha!

No wonder you wanted Canadian producers to cough up the money to fund your packing plant rather than funding it yourself. You don't even have enough confidence in your own beliefs to put your money where those "HUGE PACKER PROFITS" are. Hahaha!

You're a dandy randy!



~SH~
 
The plot thickens even more.

How did the closed Canadian border affect Tyson's competition?

Another piece of the puzzle..............


Swift & Co. to cut production


Sharon Dunn, (Bio) [email protected]
March 5, 2005



Swift & Co. on Friday announced a second round of cuts in its domestic beef processing plants to try to weather the two-year storm that has kept Canadian cattle from entering the United States.

Swift announced it would cut production at its Grand Island, Neb., plant by 20 percent, or a little more than 1,000 head of cattle per day. Employees will work the equivalent of four days spread over five, said company spokesman Jim Herlihy.


"Cattle prices remain out of line and with the border not being opened, we were looking for some short-term relief, at least in the immediate term," Herlihy said. Swift announced last month a 20 percent reduction in volume at its Cactus, Texas, plant as well.

"We will review this on a weekly basis," Herlihy said. "It's premature to talk about anything beyond this move."

The borders were set to open March 7, allowing potentially more than 1 million head of cattle this year into the United States, but a federal lawsuit challenging the safety of cattle shut the gates. A federal judge has ordered a hearing on the safety of cattle before reopening the borders at the request of ranchers who argued that the government hadn't done enough to ensure the cattle are free of mad cow disease.

While the news continues to get worse as the ban on Canadian beef continues, Swift's move last November to create "value-added," or more consumer-ready, meat is working, Herlihy said.

After laying off 800 employees to create a second shift of the further-processed meats, Swift initially took back about 200 employees to cover the new rotation. That number has grown to 370, Herlihy said.

"It's never as fast as you would like, but it's growing steadily," Herlihy said. "We're getting a very positive response from our customers. Every customer we've had through the plant has bought something. We're continuing to market those capabilities of that facility, and we're hopeful it will continue to grow."

Swift has plants worldwide and has been able to sustain the hits somewhat by increased production and demand in its Australian beef production plants. Any losses in domestic production have been offset by increases in pork production as well.

Swift isn't the only company making cuts because of the closed borders. Cargill Inc., the No. 2 producer in the country, also announced on Friday cuts to several of its plants, including its Fort Morgan operation. Tyson Foods, the No. 1 beef producer in the country, also has cut production in recent months.


Here's another regarding Cargill:


Article from Plainview Daily Herald

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Cargill cutting back 03-06-2005
By DANNY ANDREWS

Herald Editor

Due to low cattle prices and a federal judge´s decision to keep the border closed to Canadian cattle over "mad cow" concerns, Cargill Meat Solutions here will cut back to a 36-hour weekly operation.

General Manager Jim Rathke said Friday that Cargill here had been back up to 40 hours the last two weeks but will join the company´s six other plants in reducing hours.

"We´ve been on a 36-hour week for most of the last three months," Rathke said.


Cargill has about 2,050 hourly employees.

"We´re looking at this on a week-to-week basis," said Rathke, noting that Cargill currently is processing about 3,600 head a day.

"While we have been operating in reduced mode for some time, current market conditions and lackluster seasonal beef demand are forcing us to further reduce the number of cattle we process weekly," said Bill Rupp, president of Cargill´s beef business.

Cargill´s other plants are located in Friona; Dodge City, Kan.; Schuyler, Neb.; Fort Morgan, Colo.; Milwaukee, Wis.; and Wyalusing, Pa.

Rupp agreed that the tight supply of market-ready cattle and the continued closure of the U.S. border to Canadian cattle are making market conditions difficult.

Based in Wichita, Kan., Cargill Meat Solutions is a leading producer, marketer and distributor of branded and unbranded meats. It is a subsidiary of Minneapolis-based Cargill. Cargill is an international provider of food, agricultural and risk management products and services.

Cargill has 105,000 employees in 59 countries. Posted to MyPlainview: MARCH 07, 2005 20:59 CST

By DANNY ANDREWS Herald Editor



Here's another article that reconfirms what has already been stated:


Pacific Northwest Feels Pain From Ban on Canadian Cattle
By ALEXEI BARRIONUEVO

Published: March 7, 2005


ASCO, Wash., March 4 - Here in this state's largest beef-processing plant, the butchering of cattle to feed Americans' appetite for meat goes on. Knife-wielding workers break down carcasses from the round to the chuck, while automated conveyors package 1,000 boxes an hour of 150 products.

But in a conference room inside the plant there was a palpable gloom among 10 of the state's cattlemen, whose farms provide the cattle that keep Tyson Food's plant running.

A ban on live cattle from Canada has forced slowdowns at Pasco and other Tyson plants. The ban threatens to make life more expensive for cattlemen here and could force a contraction of the Northwest market, which depends more than any other region of the United States on Canadian cattle to fill seasonal shortfalls. The ban was instituted in May 2003, after mad cow disease was found in an Alberta beef cow, and was supposed to have been lifted March 7.

On Thursday, the cattlemen's gloom deepened. The United States Senate narrowly upheld an injunction by a Montana federal judge to keep the border closed indefinitely, citing concerns that Canadian cattle were still infected. The House will now take up the issue, although President Bush has threatened a veto to force the border to be reopened.

Unlike the cattlemen from the Midwest and Upper Plains states who have supported the continued ban, Washington State cattlemen see efforts to keep the border closed as nothing more than a protectionist smokescreen. To them the border closing is a fiction. Despite the ban on live cattle, Canadian boxed beef continues to pour over the border. While boxed beef imports are down 6 percent from 2002, they jumped 45 percent in 2004 from 2003, to a still-healthy 659 million pounds, according to the United States Census Bureau.

"We are getting more Canadian product here, just in a different form," said Mike Para, who owns a feedlot north of Pasco. His pony-tailed brother, Jake Para, who co-owns a ranch with his brother, added: "Everything that protectionism does adds to the cost to the consumer. They are the ones that are going to pay before it's all over."

As the price of American beef has gone up because of the scarcity of live cattle, Canadian boxed beef has seemed a relative bargain to retail and wholesale buyers, even though the Canadian dollar is valued higher than normal.

More than anything, what worries the Washington cattlemen are Canadian cattlemen, who have used the ban to begin to develop their industry into a more sophisticated competitor to the United States' dominant beef trade. Last year, Canadian cattlemen, with some government assistance, began investing in processing plants, increasing the country's capacity by 22 percent. While Canada's capacity, at 4.4 million head a year, is just 12 percent of the United States' capacity, Canada's growth has caused some American firms to lobby furiously to reopen the border.

Tyson and Cargill, the largest American agricultural company, are making the biggest investments in expanding capacity north of the border. But they also favor lifting the ban, citing the broader importance of regaining access to Asian markets, which have been closed to American beef since mid-2003.

[TIME OUT, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT, RANDY KAISER SAYS THEY WANT THE BORDER TO STAY CLOSED!]

But the Canadians have done more than just expand processing capacity. Faced with an oversupply of cattle, Canadian cattle groups have forged marketing partnerships with grocery chains to sell more Canadian beef at home. In British Columbia, ranchers and their families regularly work behind meat counters on weekends to help spur sales.

"Canada is learning to do things on the marketing side that it has never done before," Mike Para said. "The industry has changed forever, even if we do open the border. Those folks are learning to be more independent. They are going to learn how to sell their products to Japan. They are going to do whatever it takes to get those jobs done."

For now, with too few Canadian cattle to slaughter, the pressure continues to build on the American meatpacking industry. On Friday, Cargill said it was making more production cuts at its seven beef plants in the United States. The company attributed the cutbacks to tight supply and the continued border closing. In the wake of the Montana judge's injunction, some banks have begun calling smaller packing plants, asking how long they can hang on, said Rosemary Mucklow, executive director of the National Meat Association, a trade group that represents American meat packers and processors. "Some of the smaller packers won't survive," she said.

[TIME OUT! WHAT'S THIS?? R-CULT CONTRIBUTING TO FURTHER PACKER CONCENTRATION??? FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO!]


More to come later.............

Relax packer blamers, you know you have this bet won dont' you? LOL!



~SH~
 
Sure do SH. And I will have fianlly conceded that I will always be a Packer Blamer in your tiny little mind.

I am posting opinion as always about the other side of you packer loving story; if that makes me a packer blamer to you, that's life.

I loved your articles SH. They comtinue to prove my side. Swift lost bad. Isn't that what you said. Cargil and Tyson may have lost in a few plants as well (and maybe shutting down shifts actually helped stop the bleed), but Cargill and Tyson have two huge plants to offset those losses (or savings - not sure what you are saying yet).

Cargill and Tyson used the strong boxed beef price not only as a tool in the USA to gain market share over Swift, but to say to Canadian customers, "Here's our price, take it or leave it; we have a customer across the line who will take even more."

Keep going SH, I'm enjoying your work FOR ME.

SH
Tyson and Cargill, the largest American agricultural company, are making the biggest investments in expanding capacity north of the border. But they also favor lifting the ban, citing the broader importance of regaining access to Asian markets, which have been closed to American beef since mid-2003.

[TIME OUT, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT, RANDY KAISER SAYS THEY WANT THE BORDER TO STAY CLOSED!]

This was a great statement to keep the Lap dogs believing. Sure convinced good old SH the Tyson and Cargill wanted the border open. :roll: :D :lol: :D

Give it up SH, Cargill and Tyson enjoyed the salmon run, and you would have too, if you had an ounce of business sense and not just a brown nose from John Tysons butt.
 
Ironically, this was posted by non other than Hayseed on Mar. 8, 2005 9:36AM when he was apparently sober. LOL!

Thanks for the contribution Hayseed!



U.S. beef companies say the ban on Canadian cattle is hurting them financially.
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Beef ranchers and processors in the northwestern United States say that the ongoing ban on the importation of Canadian cattle is hurting them financially. The ban is forcing companies such as Tyson and Cargill Meat Solutions to reduce their processing operations in the region. The production cutbacks are largely due to tight U.S. cattle supplies.

Canadian beef is still finding its way into U.S. meat cases. Canadian boxed beef can be imported. The beef is from cattle younger than 30 months of age. Health experts believe that younger cattle are less infective than older cattle. Although Canadian boxed beef imports were down six percent last year from 2002, they were up 45 percent from 2003. Canadian beef imports in 2004 reached 659 million pounds.

Canadian boxed beef is a bargain for U.S. meat sellers, especially with the higher exchange rate for Canadian dollars. The major limitation is Canada's beef processing capacity -- 4.4 million head per year, only 12 percent of the United States' capacity. However, Canada is pushing to increase its beef processing output with new and expanded plants. Last year, the Canadian government assistance provided assistance that resulted in a 22 percent increase in beef production capacity.

Tyson and Cargill – two of the largest U.S. beef processors -- are expanding their capacities north of the border. However, they would rather the ban be lifted, citing the broader importance of regaining access to Asian markets, which have been closed to U.S. and Canadian beef since 2003.

In the meantime, production at Tyson's plant in Pasco, Washington is down 25 percent, to about 2,500 cattle per day. The plant is operating 32 hours a week instead of the normal 45. Cargill said it was making more production cuts at its seven U.S. beef plants due to the tight supply. Lenders are contacting smaller plants asking if they can expect loan payments.


More information confirming the same thing.

This will be a final article before proceeding to the next piece of the puzzle, profits at the Lakeside plant:


Posted by Tam on May 01, 2005 @ 7:52PM:

Cattle Editorial: Do We Want Competition in the Packing Industry - or Concentration?


It is rather ironic that those most committed to keeping the Canadian border closed to live cattle trade also tend to make the most noise about packer concentration. Concentration in the packing industry is often blamed in times of low cattle prices.

Today's strong cattle prices tend to dispel any notion that cattlemen are currently victims of unfair or inadequate competition, and I am not one to blame packer concentration for every ill that affects the cattle industry. But I do feel that robust competition in the packing industry is ultimately very good for cattlemen, and helps ensure that we are selling our cattle in a fair and open marketplace. Competition is especially critical for those raising cattle in regions that do not have an established history of supporting packing capacity. If cattlemen in the West and Northwest, for example, have to rely on a single packer as the destination for their cattle, they may very well face a price squeeze. An even more difficult scenario presents itself when these cattlemen have no packers in their regions whatsoever. In this case, they will most likely face a market price squeeze and will be forced to absorb significant freight costs.

If you say this cannot happen – think again. In a recent address to NCBA members, Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns shared an example of a cattleman from the Northwest telling him personally of the impact of reduced packing capacity in his region.

"He told me he's not only forced to pay freight to ship the cattle back to Nebraska," Johanns said. "But he's also getting docked a nickel per pound."

At the same meeting, Utah Cattlemen's Association President Monty Weston told Johanns he fears that the packing plant in Hyrum, Utah could close.Weston said the plant has already cut back operations to three days per week, due to lack of supply.

When Johanns asked where his cattle would have to be shipped if the Utah plant closes, Weston replied that the nearest plant would probably be in Greeley, Colo., 540 miles away and on the other side of the Continental Divide.

"That's a pretty big freight bill," Weston said.

Recent examples of shrinking packer capacity are not just anecdotal. Idaho has seen its packing capacity drop by 51% in the past year alone. John Tyson recently told the NCBA Executive Committee that Tyson's Boise plant is operating at 16 hours per week, and its Pasco plant is at 24 hours per week. These cutbacks have already had a dramatic impact on cattle feeders in the area, and the effect on cow-calf producers cannot be far behind.

One place that packer capacity is certainly not shrinking is in Canada. While the Canadian border is closed to live cattle, Canadian boxed beef is entering the United States in near-record amounts. In an attempt to ease the impact of our live cattle embargo, the Canadian government, at both the federal and provincial levels, has committed millions of dollars to expand capacity in a Canadian packing industry that already expanded by 22 percent in 2004.

As if this scenario is not troubling enough, consider this: among U.S. packers, only the two largest have operations in Canada. It's obvious that these two packers will take advantage of these subsidies immediately. In fact, we have already seen these packers acquiring Canadian plants and expanding operations north of the border. They are projected to control over 87 percent of Canada's fed cattle slaughter capacity, and 69 percent of Canada's total slaughter capacity, by the end of this year. But we may also see smaller packers expand in Canada instead of here at home because of these financial incentives, further concentrating the U.S. segment of our industry and weakening our competitive position in the global market.

Let's export our product – not our packing industry
So the next time someone tells you he is looking out for the interests of the independent cattleman, ask him, "How is this scenario in my best interests?" I think cattlemen are more interested in exporting their product, not their packing industry. But as we force resources to move north of the border, that is really the end result.

[GOOOOOOO R-CULT!]

Many people have drawn a comparison between today's cattle industry and the American auto industry of a few years ago, in that we need to make a firm commitment to competing in a global marketplace. I believe they are correct, and I think the comparison is interesting. But I think there's an even stronger correlation between the beef industry and today's foreign automakers.

Honda, Toyota, BMW and others have invested hundreds of millions of dollars into U.S. auto plants. They have created jobs, economic activity and tax revenue that states and communities crave with all their might. Cars and trucks driven by millions of Americans might carry a foreign label, but they may in fact have been built, inspected and shipped right here in the United States – all by American workers.

Can you imagine a trade policy under which the United States said to these automakers, "You can't build cars here anymore. We'll still take all the finished automobiles you can ship us, but all the jobs, plant investment and economic benefits you create will have to stay outside our borders."

As crazy as it sounds, this is exactly what we are doing with Canadian beef. We have somehow convinced ourselves that importing cattle from Canada for feeding and slaughter is unsafe. Yet boxed beef comes to us from Canada – processed exactly as it would be in the United States - in near-record quantities.

[GOOOOOO R-CULT!]

Of course, some will argue that the solution is to keep the Canadian boxed beef out of the country, too. Not only is there no scientific basis for such a policy, but it would also have a negative backlash on U.S. cattlemen. Mexico already has a policy of accepting only the same products from the United States that we accept from Canada. So if you ban Canadian boxed beef, say goodbye to what is currently our largest beef export market. You might also be saying an extended goodbye to Asian markets such as Japan and South Korea. Because if you paint Canada into a corner by banning boxed beef, watch for the Canadian industry to take desperate measures. I believe this could include 100 percent BSE testing for all cattle, and perhaps even a cull of its older cattle herd. While it would be a tremendous and unnecessary cost to their cattlemen, testing could give Canada the inside track to the Asian export markets, particularly in conjunction with its national animal identification program.

Ask yourself, do you think this kind of trade war is in your best interests? Or do you believe U.S. cattlemen are better served by policies for beef and cattle trade that are based on sound science and well-established animal health standards?

The American economy wasn't built on isolationist tactics, or futile attempts to control supply. We saw this when our exports stopped, and we lost $175 per head. Our success is all about creating and meeting consumer demand by producing a safe and superior product. U.S. cattlemen have always believed they are strong competitors. As an independent cattleman, all I want is a level playing field and plenty of options for marketing my cattle. For that to happen, we need to stop forcing resources north of the border, and stop advocating artificial barriers to trade. We need to support expansion – not contraction – of the U.S. beef industry. I'll take fair competition over concentration any day.

What choice will you make?

John Queen is a cattle producer from Waynesville, North Carolina, and vice president of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.


Next will be information on Alberta's Lakeside plant. Stay tuned!


~SH~
 
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Sandhusker said:
And yet more chatter from SH. How much did Tyson Canada make and how much did Tyson NW lose?

You owe me $100.


Yup,and all this chatter from packer advocates,you know sandhusker,if I ever make a bet with some one like sh,we would have picked some one to decide the argument before we bet, because you know as well as I, sh aint gonna admit he lost,couse that's another argument he would want some packer lover to decide who won :D :D :D ..............good luck
 
Patience Sandman, I'm just getting started.

Next we are going to discuss the profits in Alberta's Lakeside plant.

I only have to prove that Tyson's Boise and Pasco plants lost more than Lakeside gained. That's all I have to prove. That is the bet.

I know you won't accept anything I present so relax, enjoy the ride.

Did you notice that you and Randy are all alone?

It looks like your packer blaming friends are abandoning you like jackrabbits leaping from a flat bed trailer. I can't say I blame them.

Not many are stupid enough to try to suggest that Lakeside's profits by running at full 3800 head capacity with the costs of SRM removal are greater than Boise and Pasco's 4000 head capacity plants running at 35%, accept you and Randy. LOL!

Your fellow packer blamers must be so proud right now. Hahaha!

It gets better! Wait until I present the Lakeside data I have.

I just wanted to make sure that nobody had any doubt of the economic impact in Boise and Pasco on this side of the border. Now we'll head North to Lakeside.

Have you called the Tyson office yet? Why not? Afraid of the answer you might get?

Keep dancing Sandman, your ship is about to be sunk.

To be continued......................


~SH~
 

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