Connecticut School Shooting

[4Diamond]

And all this bickering is why more and more of these events happen. We as a once Christian nation need to ban together and stand as 1. United we stand divided we fall....

 

[Mike]

Oh yeah, and raise the fees of the permits to $100 or better.

The fee just to own a true assault weapon is $200.00 at present to be included with an acceptable reason to own one along with an extensive background check that includes local, Federal, & State participation.

Are you saying you want only the dreaded "Wealthy" to own an assault weapon?

AR & M1Garand type rifles are the most used rifles today in the "Shooting" sports. (targets, etc.)

"True" assault type weapons have been restricted & strictly enforced constantly & consistently since 1934.

 

[Bootheel]

I just love telling people what they ''need''. When I become King all decisions will be based on need, rather than want.

Cars will be outlawed, as you don't need them. You have legs. You can walk. If you don't have legs you are a burden upon society and are no longer needed.


You only need Two cows. No one person needs more than two cows to feed themselves.

You will only be allowed one room per two people in your house. Anything more is greedy, and a dangerous mentality for the collective.


Knives will be outlawed. You have teeth. Use them.


I just love being King, and telling people what they need.

 

[texoman]

If you look further into that msn article, the "Source" link at the end of the paragraph goes to the "gun expert's" intial article. He states that the rifle never entered the school but was found in the trunk of his car. Just the pistols were used. With that being said, it looks like the author is trying very hard to screw up all of his facts so maybe that is wrong, too.

 

[George]

This is for those of you who think Gun Control Works

"This year will go down in history for the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
- Adolph Hitler 1935

I figure you might appreciate how gun control has worked in Europe.

Subject: Europe likes to point the finger but don't forget . . .


. . . THAT EUROPE IS STUPID!!!



"It means there are over 2,000 crimes [violent crimes] recorded per 100,000 population in the UK [fancy that, the UK really is the most bloody!] making it the most violent place in Europe.


Austria is second, with a rate of 1,677 per 100,000 people, followed by Sweden, Belgium, Finland and Holland.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.



France recorded 324,765 violent crimes in 2007 – a 67 per cent increase in the past decade – at a rate of 504 per 100,000 population."


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

Notice we have the lowest number of violent crimes! Now I feel we should continue to work at getting it lower but Gun Control is not the way!

 

[hypocritexposer]

A couple thoughts

There are a few things that most, if not all, of these shooters have in common.

1) access to guns (not always legally)
2) on some sort of Psychotropic drug/serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)
3) are suicidal
4) somewhat of a loner, and seek recognition.


1) guns have been around for ever and even assualt weapons have been accesible since the 50s, for US civilians. As I understand the previous "assualt weapons ban", the number of mass shootings did not decrease when it was implemented, and did not decrease when lifted.

2) Psychotropic drugs are being used more readily, for kids to adults. One of the side effects of these drugs can be depression, suicide and hallucinations. All 3 "side effects" can also be observed if the "patient" stops the usage etc.

3) suicidal before, or after the drugs?

4) being a "loner" might lead to the depression, but IMO, being a loner, might not be their choice, but an external factor, caused by someone else, which may, or may not affect the person emotionally/mentally.

Seeking "recognition/notiriety, is why I think they seek out those that can not defend themselves, like those in "gun free zones". When confronted, most attempt to committ suicide, because they want to maintain control and not have someone else decide what happens to them.

The "Batman killer", had 7 theatres within 20 minutes of him, that were playing Batman that night. He chose the only one that did not allow permit holders to carry.

In the last 50 years, "mass shooters", have not killed more than 3 people, in locations that permit holders were allowed to carry, except in Arizona, in the Giffords shooting.


So, what DON'T they have in common, with the people that do not kill, when they have the same access to guns?

And what has changed in the last few decades, to increase the number of these mass shootings?


2012:

Suicide now the leading cause of injury-related death in the United States

The conventional treatment for suicidal tendencies is almost exclusively prescription antidepressants. Antidepressants are the second most prescribed drug class in the U.S. (second only to cholesterol-lowering drugs). More than 253 million prescriptions for antidepressants are filled nationwide every year.

Studies have repeatedly demonstrated, however, that antidepressants are no more effective and in some cases less effective than a placebo. A study in the January 2010 issue of JAMA concluded that there is little evidence that SSRIs (the widely-prescribed group of antidepressants that includes Prozac, Paxil, and Zoloft) benefit people with mild to moderate depression. The researchers stated, "The magnitude of benefit of antidepressant medication compared with placebo... may be minimal or nonexistent, on average, in patients with mild or moderate symptoms." SSRIs were found to be only 33 percent effective, the same as a sugar pill – but with significantly more adverse side-effects, including violence or suicidal thoughts and actions.

And what else has happened since the 50s/60s?

Deinstitutionalisation, of these "patients". Drugs have become the perferred method of treatment, which may or may not always work with every individual.



If a drunk driver kills someone, or many, while drunk and behind the wheel, does it make sense to restrict, the "weapon" he/she used to kill, for everyone with access?

Or if a person has a health problem, that would not allow them to operate a motor vehicle safely, should he/she, be prohibited from driving?


IMO, access to the "weapon", is only one piece of the puzzle. And any "ban" can be perceived as a "punishment" on all, for the sins, or sickness, of a few.


And then we can go back to Soap's post and discuss whether secural or sacred authority is the answer, but IMO, that is a non starter with the "left". They are only interested in expanding secular control, through government.

 

[Larrry]

 

[hypocritexposer]

The Antipsychotic Prescribed To Adam Lanza Has A Troubled History All Its Own
Geoffrey Ingersoll | Dec. 18, 2012, 2:36 PM


Inside the piece though they report Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine.

Fanapt was the subject of a Bloomberg report when it passed regulators, after previously getting the "nonapproval" stamp. Why wasn't it approved, you might ask?

There are many reasons, some of which have to do with competing entities in a competitive market.

The main cited reason for the rejection was that it caused severe heart problems in enough patients to cause a stir.

Maybe more importantly, though, Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior.

From Drugs.com, side effects of the drug Fanapt:

Psychiatric

Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-taking-antipsychotic-fanapt-2012-12#ixzz2FZ2oW0Ia

 

[mrj]

It seems too much emotion and an agenda to end gun ownership, as well as too little real research into guns and crime are involved in discussion of such tragic events as senseless shootings of people.

Fact is, such crimes are USED by promoters of strict gun control.

Lets agree to discuss stricter gun control after the streets of Chicago and Washington DC are free of gun crimes and accidents for at least one year.

mrj

 

[VB RANCH]

this is runing around on FB
http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/