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COOL and Canadian isoweans

Actually, in this part of the US, COOL has devastated the independents. For many folks that actually owned their own pigs, buying iosweans was the best way to compete with the big outfits. The loss of markets to folks like us means that more folks are custom feeding for the big outfits, or they just shut the doors, letting Canada finish their own. Was kinda nice for the corn market around here, lots of corn getting ground for hog feed. Oh well, may as well let all that business stay north of the border.
 
And the business that's staying here is quickly becoming big business, not family farms. It's only made the big bigger, and shut out the little guys on this side of the border too. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
That's really sad. All the producers I dealt with on the north side of our border were friendly, decent, honest folk. Started out buying thru' Spectrum which pooled independents to make good sized loads. Spectrum is done now as well, isn't it? When COOL first came out, several of us speculated as to how it would benefit the big boys, and it has really played out that way, hasn't it?
 
busboy, are you sure you aren't misunderstanding COOL and its benefits??? I thought it was to be the answer to the American stockman's woes???? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Yeah, right.
 
burnt said:
busboy, are you sure you aren't misunderstanding COOL and its benefits??? I thought it was to be the answer to the American stockman's woes???? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Yeah, right.
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Burnt, what are you going to do with your calves when the big packers can get all the beef they need from South America at half the price?
 
Same thing as you are going to do with yours - sell them even cheaper and get pushed out. There is no doubt about that.

So you really think that your price-sensitive, NYC consumer is going to pay double the price for the domestic product just to keep some nameless, faceless, 100,000 hd. feedlot in Nebraska in business?

COOL is all about a non-tariff trade barrier. It is called protectionism.

And we could go back to the aforementioned discussion about oil. Is the import of cheap, Canadian oil not kicking the stuffings out of some American oil producers??

Can you imagine what the price of oil and petroleum byproducts would be if you could only shut off that horribly cheap and far too dependable supply of Canadian oil?? Why your oil producers could actually make some money for a change . . . .
 
burnt said:
Same thing as you are going to do with yours - sell them even cheaper and get pushed out. There is no doubt about that.

So you really think that your price-sensitive, NYC consumer is going to pay double the price for the domestic product just to keep some nameless, faceless, 100,000 hd. feedlot in Nebraska in business?

COOL is all about a non-tariff trade barrier. It is called protectionism.

And we could go back to the aforementioned discussion about oil. Is the import of cheap, Canadian oil not kicking the stuffings out of some American oil producers??

Can you imagine what the price of oil and petroleum byproducts would be if you could only shut off that horribly cheap and far too dependable supply of Canadian oil?? Why your oil producers could actually make some money for a change . . . .
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If COOL is a trade barrier then not having COOL is a subsidy.

I hope what the big guys do to the little guys isn't justified by COOL or anything else. They don't need those things to do the things they do because they have the market power to almost whatever they want. COOL is just a convenient excuse.
 
Tex said:
burnt said:
Same thing as you are going to do with yours - sell them even cheaper and get pushed out. There is no doubt about that.

So you really think that your price-sensitive, NYC consumer is going to pay double the price for the domestic product just to keep some nameless, faceless, 100,000 hd. feedlot in Nebraska in business?

COOL is all about a non-tariff trade barrier. It is called protectionism.

And we could go back to the aforementioned discussion about oil. Is the import of cheap, Canadian oil not kicking the stuffings out of some American oil producers??

Can you imagine what the price of oil and petroleum byproducts would be if you could only shut off that horribly cheap and far too dependable supply of Canadian oil?? Why your oil producers could actually make some money for a change . . . .
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If COOL is a trade barrier then not having COOL is a subsidy.

I hope what the big guys do to the little guys isn't justified by COOL or anything else. They don't need those things to do the things they do because they have the market power to almost whatever they want. COOL is just a convenient excuse.
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your comments.

How is not having COOL a subsidy? Do you realize that a lot of the beef or cattle (and other meats) that travel south from the Eastern Canadian producers are raised on American corn and protein?

That Canadian grains and oilseed producers have to compete with much cheaper, SUBSIDIZED, American grains, oilseeds and byproducts for market share right here in Ontario?

So, in light of the fact that many Canadian cattle are fed American grown feedstocks before those animals are shipped south, how can you say that not having COOL is a subsidy? A subsidy to whom - the American grain grower because it gives them another market ?

As far as giving the big guys more clout - that point was quite adequately addressed earlier in this thread.
 
Burnt, everything in Wal-Mart has COOL(except for food)...please explain how COOL is a trade barrier.
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Tex wrote:
If COOL is a trade barrier then not having COOL is a subsidy.

I think you made Tex's point.
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COOL is a serious trade barrier to only one thing, and that's live Canadian and Mexican livestock. This was the true "intention of Congress" that they are now complaining wasn't met by the current wording of the rule. If not for the sight of Canadian cattle trucks on highways in North Dakota and Montana, I doubt very much that politicians from these states would be nearly as obsessed with writing the strictest rules they can. They sure don't mind seeing Canadian vehicles parked in their shopping malls and at their restaurants. They sure don't mind selling Canadians goods and services.

But boy, don't you dare try and sell anything in the U.S. :shock: :shock: That is to be discouraged by whatever means possible..... Unless of course it's gas, oil, or fertilizer. :roll: :roll:

Our Prime Minister was being interviewed on TV after the visit from President Obama and he made a comment that was sure rang true. "It doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong, when you argue with the United States, you lose." Our top politician knows as well as we little guys that the U.S. does what it wants, and what anyone else thinks is of no consequence.

You are our closest neighbour, and biggest trading partner, but boy, you are not easy to live with.
 
burnt said:
Same thing as you are going to do with yours - sell them even cheaper and get pushed out. There is no doubt about that.

So you really think that your price-sensitive, NYC consumer is going to pay double the price for the domestic product just to keep some nameless, faceless, 100,000 hd. feedlot in Nebraska in business?

COOL is all about a non-tariff trade barrier. It is called protectionism.

And we could go back to the aforementioned discussion about oil. Is the import of cheap, Canadian oil not kicking the stuffings out of some American oil producers??

Can you imagine what the price of oil and petroleum byproducts would be if you could only shut off that horribly cheap and far too dependable supply of Canadian oil?? Why your oil producers could actually make some money for a change . . . .
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Selling them cheaper until you get pushed out isn't an acceptable long-term policy. If that is what you truly believe will happen tomorrow, why the concern today? Why not sell out while you still have any equity at all?

No, I don't think the people in NYC will pay double for domestic product because the packers/retailers aren't going to sell their cheap sourced South American beef for half the price. They'll get all the market will bear, as any business would. However, two things that I know; Researach has shown that people will pay a premium for a product that they know more about and believe in, and marketing works. We have to have COOL to use either of those.

When the US consumers got on their Congressmen and got COOL passed, you're telling me that protectionism and trade barriers was on their minds?
 
I'm a hog man, but it sure seems to me that it was RCALF that pushed for COOL, not the consumer. Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products, and would frown upon the rampant use of some of the newer antibiotics that the US hog industry uses, but I just haven't noticed many COOL supporters pushing for that to be included on the label.

Any calls for COOL at the pump yet?
 
busboy said:
Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products
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Bingo. Despite the "polls" that RQuackers point to, the idea that origin denotes quality is nothing more than a lie perpetrated by protectionists. Consumers don't want origin, they want PROCESSING information.

It sure would be nice if someone in the US would rally behind the truth and show consumers how they've been lied to by protectionist groups and their pet politicians.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
busboy said:
Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products
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Bingo. Despite the "polls" that RQuackers point to, the idea that origin denotes quality is nothing more than a lie perpetrated by protectionists. Consumers don't want origin, they want PROCESSING information.

It sure would be nice if someone in the US would rally behind the truth and show consumers how they've been lied to by protectionist groups and their pet politicians.

Rod
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Whether you like it or not, consumers put a direct link between quality and origin. If consumers wanted processing information, they would of told their Congressmen that.
 
busboy said:
I'm a hog man, but it sure seems to me that it was RCALF that pushed for COOL, not the consumer. Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products, and would frown upon the rampant use of some of the newer antibiotics that the US hog industry uses, but I just haven't noticed many COOL supporters pushing for that to be included on the label.

Any calls for COOL at the pump yet?
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R-CALF and a number of groups did push for COOL, but only got it so far. It was the consumers of this country that got it over the top due largely because of the crap China and the rest of Asia is sending us.
 
Sandhusker said:
busboy said:
I'm a hog man, but it sure seems to me that it was RCALF that pushed for COOL, not the consumer. Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products, and would frown upon the rampant use of some of the newer antibiotics that the US hog industry uses, but I just haven't noticed many COOL supporters pushing for that to be included on the label.

Any calls for COOL at the pump yet?
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R-CALF and a number of groups did push for COOL, but only got it so far. It was the consumers of this country that got it over the top due largely because of the crap China and the rest of Asia is sending us.
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Perhaps you failed to see busboy's question about COOL at the pumps? Because surely you wouldn't be cherry picking, would you? Surely the discerning American consumer would only buy gas and diesel of American origin even if it cost more, wouldn't they?
 
burnt said:
Sandhusker said:
busboy said:
I'm a hog man, but it sure seems to me that it was RCALF that pushed for COOL, not the consumer. Consumers want to know about quality of their meat products, and would frown upon the rampant use of some of the newer antibiotics that the US hog industry uses, but I just haven't noticed many COOL supporters pushing for that to be included on the label.

Any calls for COOL at the pump yet?
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R-CALF and a number of groups did push for COOL, but only got it so far. It was the consumers of this country that got it over the top due largely because of the crap China and the rest of Asia is sending us.
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Perhaps you failed to see busboy's question about COOL at the pumps? Because surely you wouldn't be cherry picking, would you? Surely the discerning American consumer would only buy gas and diesel of American origin even if it cost more, wouldn't they?
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Have they been calling their Congressmen about oil the same as they did about food? You don't have to guess.
 
Burnt said:
Perhaps you failed to see busboy's question about COOL at the pumps? Because surely you wouldn't be cherry picking, would you?
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Burnt, everything in Wal-Mart has COOL(except for some food)...please explain how COOL is a trade barrier?
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burnt said:
Soooooo, cherry picking it is. Holy cherry picking batman.
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Cherry picking? Consumers calling their Congressmen demanding that they know the origin of their food is what passed COOL. It seems only logical that they would do the same if they had the same concern about oil.
 

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