Event Notice: Leo McDonnell to Testify for R-CALF USA

[Work Hard and Study Hard]

Tam, stop ragging on rcalf. We know you don't like them.

You are wrong on two counts here, sonny.

First, We will not stop chasing down the low-life that comprises r-calf any more than you will stop killing off terrorists. Because to us as Canadian cattle producers, the end result is the same.

Second, you seriously under estimate the feelings that Canadian producers have toward r-calfers, especially the voluble, hate-mongering, type that make themselves heard on this forum.

To say that we don't like them is like saying "we don't like terrorists". Yup, WE sure don't.

One can tolerate the back-stabbing, knife twisting only for so long. What has happened in the Canadian industry may not be forgiven or forgotten for a long, long time.

Those who have gleefully contributed to the misery will not be able to outlive the memory of their actions.

Econ, if you think this is strong language, just remember one thing. This statement expresses only a small part of the sentiment that probably the majority of Canadian cattle producers hold for r-calf.

We will not forget.

R-Calf didn't do a single thing to the Canadian producer. BSE and the lack of safe guards did. All R-Calf did was make the USDA implement the regulations that were in place long before this Canadian BSE outbreak. If you think as US cattlemen that we should be taken down with you then you are sadly mistaken. You made your bed now sleep in it.

 

[HAY MAKER]

Tam, stop ragging on rcalf. We know you don't like them.

You are wrong on two counts here, sonny.

First, We will not stop chasing down the low-life that comprises r-calf any more than you will stop killing off terrorists. Because to us as Canadian cattle producers, the end result is the same.

Second, you seriously under estimate the feelings that Canadian producers have toward r-calfers, especially the voluble, hate-mongering, type that make themselves heard on this forum.

To say that we don't like them is like saying "we don't like terrorists". Yup, WE sure don't.

One can tolerate the back-stabbing, knife twisting only for so long. What has happened in the Canadian industry may not be forgiven or forgotten for a long, long time.

Those who have gleefully contributed to the misery will not be able to outlive the memory of their actions.

Econ, if you think this is strong language, just remember one thing. This statement expresses only a small part of the sentiment that probably the majority of Canadian cattle producers hold for r-calf.

We will not forget.

Yes,pretty strong language coming from a parasite that has done nothing except free ride the American cattle man.
I think you and your kind are terrorists,you have done a pretty good job of ruining the North American cattle industry,and without some control,I have no doubt you would finish the job...............good luck

 

[cowsense]

Tam, stop ragging on rcalf. We know you don't like them.

You are wrong on two counts here, sonny.

First, We will not stop chasing down the low-life that comprises r-calf any more than you will stop killing off terrorists. Because to us as Canadian cattle producers, the end result is the same.

Second, you seriously under estimate the feelings that Canadian producers have toward r-calfers, especially the voluble, hate-mongering, type that make themselves heard on this forum.

To say that we don't like them is like saying "we don't like terrorists". Yup, WE sure don't.

One can tolerate the back-stabbing, knife twisting only for so long. What has happened in the Canadian industry may not be forgiven or forgotten for a long, long time.

Those who have gleefully contributed to the misery will not be able to outlive the memory of their actions.

Econ, if you think this is strong language, just remember one thing. This statement expresses only a small part of the sentiment that probably the majority of Canadian cattle producers hold for r-calf.

We will not forget.

Yes,pretty strong language coming from a parasite that has done nothing except free ride the American cattle man.
I think you and your kind are terrorists,you have done a pretty good job of ruining the North American cattle industry,and without some control,I have no doubt you would finish the job...............good luck

Haymaker at his finest! This is a classic example of the type of people that R-cult preys upon for membership and funding. People that have little or no real knowledge of how the beef industry is structured; little knowledge of animal health science; people that rely on barroom whiskey talk and coffee house slander as fact! One thing is quite plain; whenever a r-culter is desperately cornered with no facts for backup..........THEY CAN ALWAYS RESORT TO NAME CALLING AND DIVERSION :!:

 

[HAY MAKER]

You are wrong on two counts here, sonny.

First, We will not stop chasing down the low-life that comprises r-calf any more than you will stop killing off terrorists. Because to us as Canadian cattle producers, the end result is the same.

Second, you seriously under estimate the feelings that Canadian producers have toward r-calfers, especially the voluble, hate-mongering, type that make themselves heard on this forum.

To say that we don't like them is like saying "we don't like terrorists". Yup, WE sure don't.

One can tolerate the back-stabbing, knife twisting only for so long. What has happened in the Canadian industry may not be forgiven or forgotten for a long, long time.

Those who have gleefully contributed to the misery will not be able to outlive the memory of their actions.

Econ, if you think this is strong language, just remember one thing. This statement expresses only a small part of the sentiment that probably the majority of Canadian cattle producers hold for r-calf.

We will not forget.

Yes,pretty strong language coming from a parasite that has done nothing except free ride the American cattle man.
I think you and your kind are terrorists,you have done a pretty good job of ruining the North American cattle industry,and without some control,I have no doubt you would finish the job...............good luck

Haymaker at his finest! This is a classic example of the type of people that R-cult preys upon for membership and funding. People that have little or no real knowledge of how the beef industry is structured; little knowledge of animal health science; people that rely on barroom whiskey talk and coffee house slander as fact! One thing is quite plain; whenever a r-culter is desperately cornered with no facts for backup..........THEY CAN ALWAYS RESORT TO NAME CALLING AND DIVERSION :!:

Cowsense you are showing your ignorance,you might find this hard to believe ,but it is you and the canadian cattleman that is cornered,as far as name calling,reread the posts.
I have long stated canada is a bueatiful country full of fine cattle men............but there are a few that disprove that theory,the question is which one are you ?..............good luck
PS at some point and time you are gonna hafta pony up.

 

[cowsense]

OK Haymaker..........Pony up and put some facts to your claims and we'll see which side has the credible voice!

 

[HAY MAKER]

OK Haymaker..........Pony up and put some facts to your claims and we'll see which side has the credible voice!

OK,fact............Mexico said one more case of BSE,and all trade stops,wonder why they said that ?
fact ...............you have several pre and post feed ban cases of BSE
fact..............You refuse to accept that you are a High risk country.
fact.......... you have numerous times violated the feed bans you now have in place.
fact ............you readily admit to supporting and protecting packers and captive supplies
fact.................you have no packer laws,and have no intention of aquiring any.....................good luck

PS As you can see cowsense, you have been a poor neighbor/trading partner and a burden to the American cattleman.

 

[HAY MAKER]

where did you go cowsense,you acted to me like you were ready to rock & roll ? now you have disapeared,even an ole wanna be cowboy like me has chores to do,steers are bawling in the pens,and Im sitting here in front of the computer waiting on a canucklehead ?..............good luck
PS I will check back later,maybe your mama Miss Tam will step in for you :wink:

 

[flounder]

Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions; Importation of Live
Bovines and Products Derived From Bovines APHIS-2006-0041




COMMENT FROM TERRY S. SINGELTARY SR.


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Hey Terry, I'd like to get a little further clarification on something if/when you have time. I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly....

flounder wrote:
This is what sank my battleship in regards to testifying for r-calf. they actually appoached me about it, but i told them i would be glad to testify, but i was not stopping at the Canadian border, my testimony was to come south as well if given the opportunity. and that ended that, but i did supply them with a load of data, for whatever that was worth.


I highlighted the parts that confuse me. This almost makes it seem as if R-CALF was asking you to testify for them, but changed their mind when they found out that you were going to tell the WHOLE truth, instead of just the truth as regards Canadian imports.

I thought that R-CALF was only interested in the WHOLE truth - not just the selected parts of the truth that fit their protectionist agenda? After reading your post, it makes a person wonder. Maybe I read it wrong...

Am I reading this correctly, Terry? That can't be right, can it? Thanks.




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Texan wrote:
Hey Terry, I'd like to get a little further clarification on something if/when you have time. I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly....

flounder wrote:
This is what sank my battleship in regards to testifying for r-calf. they actually appoached me about it, but i told them i would be glad to testify, but i was not stopping at the Canadian border, my testimony was to come south as well if given the opportunity. and that ended that, but i did supply them with a load of data, for whatever that was worth.


I highlighted the parts that confuse me. This almost makes it seem as if R-CALF was asking you to testify for them, but changed their mind when they found out that you were going to tell the WHOLE truth, instead of just the truth as regards Canadian imports.

I thought that R-CALF was only interested in the WHOLE truth - not just the selected parts of the truth that fit their protectionist agenda? After reading your post, it makes a person wonder. Maybe I read it wrong...

Am I reading this correctly, Terry? That can't be right, can it? Thanks.


I was wondering exactly the same thing Texan.



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Subject: Re: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions;
Importation of Live Bovines and Products Derived From Bovines
APHIS-2006-0041
Date: February 19, 2007 at 6:44 pm PST

well, it seems they now make the urls where they are dead end for comment
submitters.
so, for anyone interested, go to link below ;

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main


click check ;

All Documents (Open and Closed for Comment)

then click check ;

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service

then check ;

proposed rules ;

then in the keyword or ID slot paste this, APHIS-2006-0041

check exact phrase and then check submit.

when docket comes up, on the far left side, click on 'Docket ID' and next
page comments are toward bottom of page.......... TSS


Document ID Title Date Posted Type Views Add Comments APHIS-2006-0041-0001
Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions; Importation of Live
Bovines and Products Derived From Bovines 01/09/2007 PROPOSED RULES View
file in PDF format View file in HTML format Add Comments
APHIS-2006-0041-0002 Preliminary Regulatory Impact Analysis and Initial
Regulatory Flexibility Analysis 01/09/2007 SUPPORTING & RELATED MATERIALS
View file in original format APHIS-2006-0041-0003 Assessment of Bovine
Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) risks associated with the importation of
certain commodities from BSE minimal risk regions (Canada) 01/09/2007
SUPPORTING & RELATED MATERIALS View file in original format
APHIS-2006-0041-0003.1 Attachment 1 to Assessment of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy (BSE) risks associated with the importation of certain
commodities from BSE minimal risk regions (Canada) 01/09/2007 SUPPORTING &
RELATED MATERIALS View file in original format APHIS-2006-0041-0003.2
Appendix 2A to Assessment of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) risks
associated with the importation of certain commodities from BSE minimal risk
regions (Canada) 01/09/2007 SUPPORTING & RELATED MATERIALS View file in PDF
format APHIS-2006-0041-0004 Harvard Model of Bovine Spongiform
Encephalopathy Implications of Importing Cattle Over 30 Months of Age from
Canada 01/09/2007 SUPPORTING & RELATED MATERIALS View file in PDF format
APHIS-2006-0041-0005 Environmental Assessment: Importation of Certain
Commodities From BSE Minimal-risk Regions (Canada) 01/09/2007 SUPPORTING &
RELATED MATERIALS View file in PDF format APHIS-2006-0041-0006 Comment from
Terry S Singletary Sr 01/09/2007 PUBLIC SUBMISSIONS View file in original
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tss



----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry S. Singeltary Sr." <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions; Importation
of Live Bovines and Products Derived From Bovines APHIS-2006-0041


Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions; Importation of Live
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PLEASE NOTE ;
Suppressed peer review of Harvard study October 31, 2002


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Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy; Minimal-Risk Regions; Importation of Live
Bovines and Products Derived From Bovines APHIS-2006-0041




COMMENT FROM TERRY S. SINGELTARY SR.


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TSS

 

[Tam]

Tam, stop ragging on rcalf. We know you don't like them.

You are wrong on two counts here, sonny.

First, We will not stop chasing down the low-life that comprises r-calf any more than you will stop killing off terrorists. Because to us as Canadian cattle producers, the end result is the same.

Second, you seriously under estimate the feelings that Canadian producers have toward r-calfers, especially the voluble, hate-mongering, type that make themselves heard on this forum.

To say that we don't like them is like saying "we don't like terrorists". Yup, WE sure don't.

One can tolerate the back-stabbing, knife twisting only for so long. What has happened in the Canadian industry may not be forgiven or forgotten for a long, long time.

Those who have gleefully contributed to the misery will not be able to outlive the memory of their actions.

Econ, if you think this is strong language, just remember one thing. This statement expresses only a small part of the sentiment that probably the majority of Canadian cattle producers hold for r-calf.

We will not forget.

R-Calf didn't do a single thing to the Canadian producer. BSE and the lack of safe guards did. All R-Calf did was make the USDA implement the regulations that were in place long before this Canadian BSE outbreak. If you think as US cattlemen that we should be taken down with you then you are sadly mistaken. You made your bed now sleep in it.

Work Hard and Study Hard You You are right R-CALF didn't do a single thing they have done everything possible to destroy consumer confidence in a product Canadian producers make a living at producing. You need to study a bit HARDER if you truly believe this crap you just posted. Go see why R-CALF was started don't stop reading until you read the part about how those R-CALF actions in 1998 hurt not only Canadian Producers but US Producers as well. Then really concentrate on the information on what this prolonged "because of R-CALFs lawsuit" border closure has done to hurt Canadian Producers and again US producer by closing much needed packing plants .

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam is right, R-CALF should do just as NCBA does, roll over and let the packers and USDA do whatever they want to. Even though the USDA said an import ban was our first line of defense, we should be silent as they change their minds and ignore their own science for the benefit of the Canadian trade. R-CALF should be quiet about Canada's BSE problem - that takes away from Tyson and Cargill's profits. And if the big packers want to buy Canadian fats instead of US, we should be happy for them as that increases their profits and they can then pay more for our cattle, unless they decide to expand overseas further.

 

[Kato]

We are constanly being accused of causing this BSE crisis. This is an unfair assumption. The fact is not that we caused it, but that we have acknowledged it.

It was caused by imports of British cattle that occured before anyone even knew what BSE is. British cattle were also imported to the U.S. before anyone knew what BSE is. :shock:

What's the difference here? The difference is that we found and acknowledged that it had come in with these cattle, and then we proceeded to deal with it in an honest and above board manner. There were horrific consequences to our producers by doing this, but we knew we needed to bite the bullet and fix this if we were to have a viable future. Today's pain for tomorrow's gain.

The difference south of the border was illustrated to us when the first cow showed up in Alberta, and an American cattle rancher's first response was "Don't you guys have backhoes up there?". This was told to us by a prominent Canadian cattleman who was amazed that he was asked this question. That set the tone, and the two approaches were decided on.

In the long run, which will win out?

Years into it, the world acknowledges and believes that we are honestly trying to root out any leftover cases, and eliminate them, and that we have taken steps to stop this from becoming a widespread problem. It has been determined that all of the troubles come from one particular rendering plant in Edmonton, which has been backed up by the number of Alberta cases. It is not across the country. It is not widespread. It is not an epidemic. It is being dealt with, and we have not lost our credibility. Canadian consumers, in a recent poll had more confidence in Canadian beef, than American consumers have in American beef. How can that be? That's impossible! Could it be that we have kept our reputation intact by being honest? MMM???

Approach number two. Deny it exists. This has it's own pitfalls. What happens for instance when this new food safety agency comes into place? What if they decide more testing of actual high risk animals is needed, and the results come in with American native cases? It's easy to say you don't have them if you don't look. If you test them, you will find them. Even if it's only a couple, what will consumers think about the beef they have been eating for the past few years that was supposedly free of BSE? Will it stop them from believing it's safe? Will they start to listen to the press releases from Montana about how one animal in a million will kill off the whole population? Regaining confidence once you have thrown it out the window is a lot harder than keeping it by being proactive. Think about that.

We may be accused of causing all this problem, but we will put it behind us a lot quicker than you guys will should more positive animals show up down there. I think perhaps that some of the aggressive anti-Canadian actions taken are a result of a deep seated fear that you also have the same problems as we do, and may have to face them someday.

 

[Tam]

We are constanly being accused of causing this BSE crisis. This is an unfair assumption. The fact is not that we caused it, but that we have acknowledged it.

It was caused by imports of British cattle that occured before anyone even knew what BSE is. British cattle were also imported to the U.S. before anyone knew what BSE is. :shock:

What's the difference here? The difference is that we found and acknowledged that it had come in with these cattle, and then we proceeded to deal with it in an honest and above board manner. There were horrific consequences to our producers by doing this, but we knew we needed to bite the bullet and fix this if we were to have a viable future. Today's pain for tomorrow's gain.

The difference south of the border was illustrated to us when the first cow showed up in Alberta, and an American cattle rancher's first response was "Don't you guys have backhoes up there?". This was told to us by a prominent Canadian cattleman who was amazed that he was asked this question. That set the tone, and the two approaches were decided on.

In the long run, which will win out?

Years into it, the world acknowledges and believes that we are honestly trying to root out any leftover cases, and eliminate them, and that we have taken steps to stop this from becoming a widespread problem. It has been determined that all of the troubles come from one particular rendering plant in Edmonton, which has been backed up by the number of Alberta cases. It is not across the country. It is not widespread. It is not an epidemic. It is being dealt with, and we have not lost our credibility. Canadian consumers, in a recent poll had more confidence in Canadian beef, than American consumers have in American beef. How can that be? That's impossible! Could it be that we have kept our reputation intact by being honest? MMM???

Approach number two. Deny it exists. This has it's own pitfalls. What happens for instance when this new food safety agency comes into place? What if they decide more testing of actual high risk animals is needed, and the results come in with American native cases? It's easy to say you don't have them if you don't look. If you test them, you will find them. Even if it's only a couple, what will consumers think about the beef they have been eating for the past few years that was supposedly free of BSE? Will it stop them from believing it's safe? Will they start to listen to the press releases from Montana about how one animal in a million will kill off the whole population? Regaining confidence once you have thrown it out the window is a lot harder than keeping it by being proactive. Think about that.

We may be accused of causing all this problem, but we will put it behind us a lot quicker than you guys will should more positive animals show up down there. I think perhaps that some of the aggressive anti-Canadian actions taken are a result of a deep seated fear that you also have the same problems as we do, and may have to face them someday.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Mike]

Canadian Press
September 17, 2003
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up
Ralph Klein suggests Alberta farmer should have
covered up mad cow case
BY TIM COOK
(CP) - Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has taken aim at the owner of the province's infamous mad cow,
saying a "self-respecting" rancher would not have taken the animal to slaughter but would instead have
simply "shot, shovelled and shut up."
Klein's remarks were made at a weekend meeting of U.S. governors and western Canadian premiers.
The remarks surfaced Tuesday. Klein was in Calgary but could not be reached for comment. His
spokesman, Gordon Turtle, said Klein was being sarcastic and would never counsel anyone to break
the law or not follow international protocols.
"The premier meant that in an ironic or almost a sarcastic way," said Turtle.
"He was reflecting on the irony of the fact that one isolated case of BSE can have this kind of impact on
the economy, which it has in the last four months or so."
Klein made the remarks Sunday at the Western Governors' Association annual meeting in Big Sky,
Mont.
Flanked by premiers from Canada's three other western provinces, Klein expressed his frustration with
the way Canada has been treated by the international community after a single case of mad cow
disease was discovered in a northern Alberta cow almost four months ago.
More than 30 countries closed their borders to Canadian beef. Only now are they slowly reopening.
"This all came about through the discovery of a single, isolated case of mad cow disease in one Alberta
cow on May 20th," Klein told the assembly.

*************************************************


Claude LaVigne On BSE in Canada:

"We are completely free," Claude Lavigne, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's associate executive
director, told the Ottawa Citizen in July 2001. "The risk of transmission in a country where the disease doesn't
exist is zero. And that's our situation."

 

[Sandhusker]

Kato, at last a civil and well written post worthy of a response!

I have never said that Canadian producers caused the problem and I never will as I don't believe that to be the case. I'll also never deny that Canada has been more upfront, direct and honest about their situation than the USDA has been. I'm ashamed of how the USDA has handled this and is handling this, I truly am. Disgusted is another fitting adjective.

I've never seen anything to suggest that your cases have came from only one source. If that is so, then good for both of us, as that should make it easier to eradicate the disease for you and would also dilute the "if we have it, then you do too" arguement.

Until I hear of the USDA or CFIA pushing for a live test, I won't believe either one is doing all they can to root out BSE.

R-CALF didn't come up with their figures out of thin air. They're doing what any organization that looks out for the welfare of producers would do, they're sounding the alarm on a disease that has already wiped out the industry of entire countries. The fact of the matter is that, if we open up further to Canadian cattle, we WILL import carriers of BSE. Your post ban cases suggest that we already are importing beef from BSE carrying animals. We have everything to lose and not a damn thing to gain! Who wouldn't fight a deal like that?

I get so disgusted with the R-CALF victims up there who get puffed up because "R-CALF is saying bad things about our beef". The deal is that there's not a country that doesn't know what BSE is and that doesn't know that Canada has it. When you discovered your first case everybody closed their borders immediately. They did that because they already know about BSE tainted beef and they don't want it. The victims say "R-CALF says our beef is tainted, we hate them, waaaa, waaa". Well, so did those countries when they closed their borders.

 

[Bill]

Canadian Press
September 17, 2003
Shoot, Shovel, and Shut-up
Ralph Klein suggests Alberta farmer should have
covered up mad cow case
BY TIM COOK
(CP) - Alberta Premier Ralph Klein has taken aim at the owner of the province's infamous mad cow,
saying a "self-respecting" rancher would not have taken the animal to slaughter but would instead have
simply "shot, shovelled and shut up."
Klein's remarks were made at a weekend meeting of U.S. governors and western Canadian premiers.
The remarks surfaced Tuesday. Klein was in Calgary but could not be reached for comment. His
spokesman, Gordon Turtle, said Klein was being sarcastic and would never counsel anyone to break
the law or not follow international protocols.
"The premier meant that in an ironic or almost a sarcastic way," said Turtle.
"He was reflecting on the irony of the fact that one isolated case of BSE can have this kind of impact on
the economy, which it has in the last four months or so."
Klein made the remarks Sunday at the Western Governors' Association annual meeting in Big Sky,
Mont.
Flanked by premiers from Canada's three other western provinces, Klein expressed his frustration with
the way Canada has been treated by the international community after a single case of mad cow
disease was discovered in a northern Alberta cow almost four months ago.
More than 30 countries closed their borders to Canadian beef. Only now are they slowly reopening.
"This all came about through the discovery of a single, isolated case of mad cow disease in one Alberta
cow on May 20th," Klein told the assembly.

*************************************************


Claude LaVigne On BSE in Canada:

"We are completely free," Claude Lavigne, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's associate executive
director, told the Ottawa Citizen in July 2001. "The risk of transmission in a country where the disease doesn't
exist is zero. And that's our situation."

:roll: :roll: Well obviously no one listened to Ralph and Claude Levigne was wrong!

Have you ever been wrong Mike?

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Mike....when King Ralph made that statement,yes it was stupid BUT if you know anything at ALL about the first case of BSE in Alta. you'd know this stupid Lousiana catfish farmer had a truck come and Drag,yes drag the sick cow into a truck headed for auction,what rancher in there right mind would have done this? Seriously,any rancher worth thier wieght would have put that animal down.....Ralphs statement was in regards to this and unfortunatly out of frustration from the media blitz that this caused.

I'd like you and a few of your "friends" on here to know,Alberta did not knowinly cause this,I know its hard to believe but the truth. we've gone out of our way to try and identify bse animals and get feed bans put in the way they were intended,we also think anyone using old feed should be severly fined.Greg and I have never ever faulted R-calf for trying to protect thier industry but its the Canadian bashing that gets more and more ridiculous as time goes on here in Bull,and the more we see R-calf isn't as much trying to protect thier industry as mark Canada as evil producers....and you know what theres an awful lot of Americans that agree with me....get Haymaker to run a poll and you'll see that.

Off my soapbox now.

 

[Bill]

Kato, at last a civil and well written post worthy of a response!

I have never said that Canadian producers caused the problem and I never will as I don't believe that to be the case. I'll also never deny that Canada has been more upfront, direct and honest about their situation than the USDA has been. I'm ashamed of how the USDA has handled this and is handling this, I truly am. Disgusted is another fitting adjective.

I've never seen anything to suggest that your cases have came from only one source. If that is so, then good for both of us, as that should make it easier to eradicate the disease for you and would also dilute the "if we have it, then you do too" arguement.

Until I hear of the USDA or CFIA pushing for a live test, I won't believe either one is doing all they can to root out BSE.

R-CALF didn't come up with their figures out of thin air. They're doing what any organization that looks out for the welfare of producers would do, they're sounding the alarm on a disease that has already wiped out the industry of entire countries. The fact of the matter is that, if we open up further to Canadian cattle, we WILL import carriers of BSE. Your post ban cases suggest that we already are importing beef from BSE carrying animals. We have everything to lose and not a damn thing to gain! Who wouldn't fight a deal like that?

I get so disgusted with the R-CALF victims up there who get puffed up because "R-CALF is saying bad things about our beef". The deal is that there's not a country that doesn't know what BSE is and that doesn't know that Canada has it. When you discovered your first case everybody closed their borders immediately. They did that because they already know about BSE tainted beef and they don't want it. The victims say "R-CALF says our beef is tainted, we hate them, waaaa, waaa". Well, so did those countries when they closed their borders.

Hey Sandhusker. I agree with a couple of your comments but I see you still have a hard time putting the words American and BSE in the same sentence! What's with the "you" or "your problem" all the time.

Then there's this gem:

that should make it easier to eradicate the disease for you

. Do you have a plan on irradicating the disease for Y'ALL? I mean besides simply shutting the border and hiding more US positives like the Texas cow?

I would also like to know which countries

that has already wiped out the industry of entire countries

.

You aren't sensationalizing again are you. Wiped out the beef industry in entire countries??

 

[Sandhusker]

Bill, "Do you have a plan on irradicating the disease for Y'ALL?"

USDA clearly doesn't. One thing that I do know is that you can't eradicate it if you allow more in.

Yes, entire countries. Do some research.

 

[Kato]

I have a question.

Do American packing plants remove SRM's from over 30 month cattle?

If they do, then according to everything I've read, that's the way you end the spread of BSE. Even if a positive animal made it to a plant, if the SRM's are removed and not recycled into feed, then that's the end of it. Time takes care of the rest as the older cattle disappear.

 

[Maple Leaf Angus]

. . . Lousiana catfish farmer . . .

Actually, the guy was from Macon, Mississippi. Answers to Marwin Peaster. Had a business of digging catfish ponds and ran some ponds too, if I have my info correct.