Feeders know the fat market?

[Tam]

Why don't the sellers of cattle report their sales?

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

If the sellers be it feedlot or producer were to report then would that not work as a checks and balance on what the packers report? If all were to report, if any wrong info got reported an investigation would find out who. Simple way to keep people honest is to have more than one source for the same info. It would also give the industry more ways to access the information. If the industry has a right to know what is in the packers books why don't they have the right to know what is in the feeders books or the producers book or maybe the retailers books? :?

 

[Econ101]

Tam:

Simple way to keep people honest is to have more than one source for the same info.

You just made the case for getting bse testing out of the sole hands of the government.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Why don't the sellers of cattle report their sales?

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

 

[Econ101]

Why don't the sellers of cattle report their sales?

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

I don't tend to percieve that you have a problem, BMR. That is a problem in itself. You will have to figure that one out yourself, but you need to be a little smarter and a little more principled to do it. Again, something I can not help you with.

Tyson hater? If they were a good company, why would I care? They are paying off politicians, influencing laws, breaking laws, and generally working the field for their interests. I don't "hate" them. I just want them to play fairly and pay up when they don't. It seems their play allows them to get away with some pretty big fouls.

If this is the system you want in Canada, you are welcome to it. I and anyone else in the U.S. that doesn't want this have the right to speak up, no matter what some foreigner like you says.

Again, the problem seems to be yours.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

I don't tend to percieve that you have a problem, BMR. That is a problem in itself. You will have to figure that one out yourself, but you need to be a little smarter and a little more principled to do it. Again, something I can not help you with.

Tyson hater? If they were a good company, why would I care? They are paying off politicians, influencing laws, breaking laws, and generally working the field for their interests. I don't "hate" them. I just want them to play fairly and pay up when they don't. It seems their play allows them to get away with some pretty big fouls.

If this is the system you want in Canada, you are welcome to it. I and anyone else in the U.S. that doesn't want this have the right to speak up, no matter what some foreigner like you says.

Again, the problem seems to be yours.

GARBAGE :!:

 

[Econ101]

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

I don't tend to percieve that you have a problem, BMR. That is a problem in itself. You will have to figure that one out yourself, but you need to be a little smarter and a little more principled to do it. Again, something I can not help you with.

Tyson hater? If they were a good company, why would I care? They are paying off politicians, influencing laws, breaking laws, and generally working the field for their interests. I don't "hate" them. I just want them to play fairly and pay up when they don't. It seems their play allows them to get away with some pretty big fouls.

If this is the system you want in Canada, you are welcome to it. I and anyone else in the U.S. that doesn't want this have the right to speak up, no matter what some foreigner like you says.

Again, the problem seems to be yours.

GARBAGE :!:

There was a court case over these type issues in Aberdeen, BMR, in case you have been asleep or dealing with your own garbage. They are interested in these issues, even if you are not.

 

[Sandhusker]

Why don't the sellers of cattle report their sales?

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

BMR, exactly who do you think it is that is unsatisfied with the reporting deficiencies if not the people actually in the business?

It is in the best interests of the market if that market is as transparent as possible. Stock markets realize this. Commodity markets realize this. They address this issue much on their own because their markets depend on trust to stay in business. Uncle Sam has put agencies such as the SEC and CFTC in charge of policing those markets to keep them fair and transparent, and they do a good job. Uncle has put the USDA in charge of policing the cattle markets, and they do a poor job. Producers are paying for the USDA to do the job, why should they have to pay Uncle and then do things themselves? Why not go to the heart of the matter and fix what's not working?

 

[Tam]

Tam:

Simple way to keep people honest is to have more than one source for the same info.

You just made the case for getting bse testing out of the sole hands of the government.

Tell me eCON are you willing to trust the packers to do the BSE testing and TELL THE TRUTH about the test results they find? :shock: You don't trust anything else the packers do why are you willing to take their word for a test result that if positive could damage their beef sales? Leaving it in the hands of the Government should give you the assurance that the greedy packers aren't lieing about their test result as not to hurt their profit margin. :wink:

 

[Econ101]

Tam:

Simple way to keep people honest is to have more than one source for the same info.

You just made the case for getting bse testing out of the sole hands of the government.

Tell me eCON are you willing to trust the packers to do the BSE testing and TELL THE TRUTH about the test results they find? :shock: You don't trust anything else the packers do why are you willing to take their word for a test result that if positive could damage their beef sales? Leaving it in the hands of the Government should give you the assurance that the greedy packers aren't lieing about their test result as not to hurt their profit margin. :wink:

Tam, why would you even suggest such things?

I am willing to have tests to make sure bse meat gets out of the food chain and we can get rid of it and put it behind the beef business. The USDA refuses to allow this to happen. If we do have safe beef in the U.S. then why can't anyone test? Who does it hurt? The truth, however messy, should always triumph. We should adjust to it, not the other way around.

 

[Mike]

Tam:Leaving it (BSE TESTS) in the hands of the Government should give you assurance

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Tam]

Tam:

You just made the case for getting bse testing out of the sole hands of the government.

Tell me eCON are you willing to trust the packers to do the BSE testing and TELL THE TRUTH about the test results they find? :shock: You don't trust anything else the packers do why are you willing to take their word for a test result that if positive could damage their beef sales? Leaving it in the hands of the Government should give you the assurance that the greedy packers aren't lieing about their test result as not to hurt their profit margin. :wink:

Tam, why would you even suggest such things?
I am willing to have tests to make sure bse meat gets out of the food chain and we can get rid of it and put it behind the beef business. The USDA refuses to allow this to happen. If we do have safe beef in the U.S. then why can't anyone test? Who does it hurt? The truth, however messy, should always triumph. We should adjust to it, not the other way around.

How many times have you accused the packers of wrong doing and told us you don't trust them. Now you expect us to believe that you believe they "the packer" will not cheat the testing so their business is not hurt. All of a sudden these guys that can't be trusted to report what they pay for cattle are honest enough to do the testing that will save or destroy the industry. :?

AND IF YOU HAVE SAFE BEEF IN THE US WHY WON"T THE US PRODUCERS ALLOW ANYONE TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS RAISED? :wink:

 

[Econ101]

Tell me eCON are you willing to trust the packers to do the BSE testing and TELL THE TRUTH about the test results they find? :shock: You don't trust anything else the packers do why are you willing to take their word for a test result that if positive could damage their beef sales? Leaving it in the hands of the Government should give you the assurance that the greedy packers aren't lieing about their test result as not to hurt their profit margin. :wink:

Tam, why would you even suggest such things?
I am willing to have tests to make sure bse meat gets out of the food chain and we can get rid of it and put it behind the beef business. The USDA refuses to allow this to happen. If we do have safe beef in the U.S. then why can't anyone test? Who does it hurt? The truth, however messy, should always triumph. We should adjust to it, not the other way around.

How many times have you accused the packers of wrong doing and told us you don't trust them. Now you expect us to believe that you believe they "the packer" will not cheat the testing so their business is not hurt. All of a sudden these guys that can't be trusted to report what they pay for cattle are honest enough to do the testing that will save or destroy the industry. :?

AND IF YOU HAVE SAFE BEEF IN THE US WHY WON"T THE US PRODUCERS ALLOW ANYONE TO KNOW WHERE IT WAS RAISED? :wink:

Tam, please do not ever come up with what you think I believe. You can't even get what you believe straight.

Most producers don't care if anyone knows where their cattle are raised. They just don't want to have to keep records for a government that has shown to be incompetent in knowing and carrying out rules that keep the market fair for them.

I gave the real example of x backed cattle some time ago that was told to me by a fellow cattleman.

People like him don't want to be blackballed by the packer buyers.

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam:Leaving it (BSE TESTS) in the hands of the Government should give you assurance

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ummmmmmm, isn't this the same government that she has accused of not testing right, covering up positives, etc...?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Is that a rhetorical question for you to answer BMR? If so, please go ahead.

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

BMR, exactly who do you think it is that is unsatisfied with the reporting deficiencies if not the people actually in the business?

It is in the best interests of the market if that market is as transparent as possible. Stock markets realize this. Commodity markets realize this. They address this issue much on their own because their markets depend on trust to stay in business. Uncle Sam has put agencies such as the SEC and CFTC in charge of policing those markets to keep them fair and transparent, and they do a good job. Uncle has put the USDA in charge of policing the cattle markets, and they do a poor job. Producers are paying for the USDA to do the job, why should they have to pay Uncle and then do things themselves? Why not go to the heart of the matter and fix what's not working?

Strange that the most vocal about this is two people that don't feed cattle.

 

[Sandhusker]

Econ if the people that actually deal with the packers have a problem with them not just some Tyson hater why don't they take the bulls by the horns so to speak and set up their own price reporting. OR just maybe the people actually in the business don't have the problems some outsiders perceives.

BMR, exactly who do you think it is that is unsatisfied with the reporting deficiencies if not the people actually in the business?

It is in the best interests of the market if that market is as transparent as possible. Stock markets realize this. Commodity markets realize this. They address this issue much on their own because their markets depend on trust to stay in business. Uncle Sam has put agencies such as the SEC and CFTC in charge of policing those markets to keep them fair and transparent, and they do a good job. Uncle has put the USDA in charge of policing the cattle markets, and they do a poor job. Producers are paying for the USDA to do the job, why should they have to pay Uncle and then do things themselves? Why not go to the heart of the matter and fix what's not working?

Strange that the most vocal about this is two people that don't feed cattle.

Stranger still is the comments from folks who don't even live in this country.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

BMR, exactly who do you think it is that is unsatisfied with the reporting deficiencies if not the people actually in the business?

It is in the best interests of the market if that market is as transparent as possible. Stock markets realize this. Commodity markets realize this. They address this issue much on their own because their markets depend on trust to stay in business. Uncle Sam has put agencies such as the SEC and CFTC in charge of policing those markets to keep them fair and transparent, and they do a good job. Uncle has put the USDA in charge of policing the cattle markets, and they do a poor job. Producers are paying for the USDA to do the job, why should they have to pay Uncle and then do things themselves? Why not go to the heart of the matter and fix what's not working?

Strange that the most vocal about this is two people that don't feed cattle.

Stranger still is the comments from folks who don't even live in this country.

At least I have sold Fat cattle on both sides of the border.
Have you or Econ sold any fats?

 

[Econ101]

Strange that the most vocal about this is two people that don't feed cattle.

Stranger still is the comments from folks who don't even live in this country.

At least I have sold Fat cattle on both sides of the border.
Have you or Econ sold any fats?

Yes I have. Not currently and not ever on your side of the border. I formulated my own feed rations the old way with Peterson's method of evaluating feed to get it to the lowest cost and best finish. Now the computer program is the way to go and you don't have to even use a pencil.

Now, BMR, why do you think you are the only one that is or has been in the cattle business and has the right to say anything about it? You have done this several times on this board to me personally.

You must live in a very little world with all the small time thoughts and self aggrandizement about your sole expertise on this board when it comes to the industry. Tam isn't far behind you.

When I think you have become smart enough to become the sole expert on all these matters, I will let you know. You don't have to ask again.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Stranger still is the comments from folks who don't even live in this country.

At least I have sold Fat cattle on both sides of the border.
Have you or Econ sold any fats?

Yes I have. Not currently and not ever on your side of the border. I formulated my own feed rations the old way with Peterson's method of evaluating feed to get it to the lowest cost and best finish. Now the computer program is the way to go and you don't have to even use a pencil.

Now, BMR, why do you think you are the only one that is or has been in the cattle business and has the right to say anything about it? You have done this several times on this board to me personally.

You must live in a very little world with all the small time thoughts and self aggrandizement about your sole expertise on this board when it comes to the industry. Tam isn't far behind you.

When I think you have become smart enough to become the sole expert on all these matters, I will let you know. You don't have to ask again.

i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood.

 

[Sandhusker]

BMR, "i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood."

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in a cow state. You think this has nothing to do with my livelyhood?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

BMR, "i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood."

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in a cow state. You think this has nothing to do with my livelyhood?

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?