Feeders know the fat market?

[Sandhusker]

BMR, "i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood."

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in a cow state. You think this has nothing to do with my livelyhood?

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?

Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

 

[Econ101]

BMR, "i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood."

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in a cow state. You think this has nothing to do with my livelyhood?

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?

Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

It is really funny how BMR tries to make himself the only one that has the "experience" to talk on ranchers.net.

BMR, how well did this "experience" help you plan before your bse "crisis" for all the Canadian producers?

Your model of leadership leaves a lot to be desired. You have let your government to pay off the big packers so you can keep shipping meat to your main market, the U.S.

Yep, your and Tam's leadership will "save" the cattle ranchers, not free and competitive markets (by the way, how have you been doing in regards to increasing the buyers of your product besides the U.S.?). Your thinking has brought on the protectionist policies in rcalf to the political forefront of your biggest customer. You better stop digging that rut, it might become a grave.

Most ranchers I know are not as "dumb" as you may think. They may not have the education and the language or even the willingness to tell others of their life lessons when they aren't asking nicely but they are not dumb.

Let the packers take your industry like they have taken the poultry industry and it will be too late.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?

Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

It is really funny how BMR tries to make himself the only one that has the "experience" to talk on ranchers.net.

BMR, how well did this "experience" help you plan before your bse "crisis" for all the Canadian producers?

Your model of leadership leaves a lot to be desired. You have let your government to pay off the big packers so you can keep shipping meat to your main market, the U.S.

Yep, your and Tam's leadership will "save" the cattle ranchers, not free and competitive markets (by the way, how have you been doing in regards to increasing the buyers of your product besides the U.S.?). Your thinking has brought on the protectionist policies in rcalf to the political forefront of your biggest customer. You better stop digging that rut, it might become a grave.

Most ranchers I know are not as "dumb" as you may think. They may not have the education and the language or even the willingness to tell others of their life lessons when they aren't asking nicely but they are not dumb.

Let the packers take your industry like they have taken the poultry industry and it will be too late.

Econ I don't think ranchers are dumb and I don't think they need someone that hides behind a alias on a web site to speak for them. There are many smart ranchers involved in their respecrtive cattle organizations that are working hard for their industry. At least we know Sandhuskers reasons for posting as well as many other posters.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

BMR, "i'm not saying I am a expert on marketing or feeding of cattle to finish. What I am saying that the two most vocal on this board do neither for their livelyhood."

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in a cow state. You think this has nothing to do with my livelyhood?

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?



Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in an cow state.

Who brought up being a banker?


OH yea does you salary go up and down with the market?

 

[Econ101]

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?



Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in an cow state.

Who brought up being a banker?


OH yea does you salary go up and down with the market?

BMR, do you have a point with this questioning other than you are the only person on ranchers.net to discuss these issues so everyone else should leave?

I think you have one heck of an audacious attitude for a foreigner coupled with a an intellect that would scare a cat.

 

[Sandhusker]

But R-CALF says they are cattlemen not beef producers.

And as long as those cow producers pay their loans you get payed. Does you salary go up and down with the market?

Isn't fat CATTLE the topic here?



Is this "Stupid Question/Comment Friday"? :shock:

I'm a cow banker in a cow town in a cow county in an cow state.

Who brought up being a banker?


OH yea does you salary go up and down with the market?

I guess this is Stupid Friday. Please remember this is a one-day event.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Oh avoiding the question?



And Econ I have a audacoius attitude what about you, you come on hear to tell all cattlemen what's best for them yet you keep you identity a big secret. What do you think if we really know who you are it will make a difference.

 

[Econ101]

Oh avoiding the question?



And Econ I have a audacoius attitude what about you, you come on hear to tell all cattlemen what's best for them yet you keep you identity a big secret. What do you think if we really know who you are it will make a difference.

What have I told you that is best for you except a little honesty?

My identity is no big secret. My wife and kids know who I am and so do all the people I meet.

It is only a "secret" for you. Something has to keep your mind off of Gretchen Wilson's panties.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Oh avoiding the question?



And Econ I have a audacoius attitude what about you, you come on hear to tell all cattlemen what's best for them yet you keep you identity a big secret. What do you think if we really know who you are it will make a difference.

What have I told you that is best for you except a little honesty?

My identity is no big secret. My wife and kids know who I am and so do all the people I meet.

You have met alot of people on Rancher and they don't know who you are.
It is only a "secret" for you. Something has to keep your mind off of Gretchen Wilson's panties.

Your the one fixated on her panties, I just used it for an example of her promoting Walmart

 

[Econ101]

Oh avoiding the question?



And Econ I have a audacoius attitude what about you, you come on hear to tell all cattlemen what's best for them yet you keep you identity a big secret. What do you think if we really know who you are it will make a difference.

What have I told you that is best for you except a little honesty?

My identity is no big secret. My wife and kids know who I am and so do all the people I meet.

You have met alot of people on Rancher and they don't know who you are.
It is only a "secret" for you. Something has to keep your mind off of Gretchen Wilson's panties.

Your the one fixated on her panties, I just used it for an example of her promoting Walmart

You misinterpreted.

She supported a view of the world where high dollars (money, wealth, or power) do not control thought or prestiege or individual dignity---a concept you seem to have not learned yet.

 

[don]

around here we call her retchin' wilson. she looks like she's got more miles on her than our '94 ford and the front end is shot on it, too.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandsnake: "However, my statement remains; not all trades are reported as you stated and only the packer knows the whole picture on contract cattle."

More than enough trades are reported to know what the major packers are paying on any given day.

Check out the Nebraska Cattlemen's Association market reporting system if you are too stupid to realize the degree that markets are reported.

Your whole contention of price reporting is warped anyway because price, WITHOUT PROVIDING THE FACTORS THE PRICE WAS BASED ON, doesn't tell you a damn thing. Not all cattle are the same quality hence they do not deserve to receive the same price.

Sandsnake: "Are we to ignore the fact that the loudest critiques of the reporting system come from feeders?"

A FEEDER or "THE FEEDERS"???

I don't hear anyone complaining but conspiracy theorists like Callicrate and socialized marketing advocates like you.

Sandsnake: "The problem is, Agman, you're got a track record here of making some bone-head calls and even pure BSing."

More cheap talk! Allegations without supporting facts.

Agman's business relies on the accuracy of his information. In contrast, you just tell your customers what they want to believe because you don't have the intelligence to sort fact from fiction or the courage to take a stand on what's factually supported. In otherwords, you are just another "populist opinion" coward.

Sandsnake: "I get a daily chuckle out of your prediction that the Japanese would scramble to get our beef."

Another empty allegation.

Where did Agman claim that Japan would scramble to take our beef? More bullsh*t from you!

If the Japanese consumer is reluctant to consume our beef, it's because we had bse, not because we didn't sell them the "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" with bse tests that wouldn't reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

Sandsnake: "You were full of crap trying to tell us that Cargill and Tyson were in Canada to serve the local markets and you were full of crap telling us Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. Your "no protocol" snowjob was a laugher as well. Your credibilty is inversely proportional to your ego."

More cheap talk! Empty allegations with nothing to support your position to the contrary.

As long as you never have to defend your cheap talk, you will always be a hero in your eyes.

Sandsnake: "Every dang producer vs big business issue that has come up finds you against the producer - and you claim you're on the producer's side."

Your backwards warped opinion is that anyone that doesn't support your conspiracy theories is against the producer. Those who are truly supportive of producers are wanting them to base their decisions on facts as opposed to blindly following the conspiracy theorists like you.

Sandsnake: "There's quite a few of us who have been around this site for quite a while and have seen 100s of your postings. Why not take a poll and see who believes you?"

As always, you find it easier to create an "ILLUSION OF AGMAN'S ACCURACY" by polling mental midgets like Conman as opposed to proving Agman wrong.

Some things never change!


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Sandsnake: "However, my statement remains; not all trades are reported as you stated and only the packer knows the whole picture on contract cattle."

More than enough trades are reported to know what the major packers are paying on any given day.

Check out the Nebraska Cattlemen's Association market reporting system if you are too stupid to realize the degree that markets are reported.

Your whole contention of price reporting is warped anyway because price, WITHOUT PROVIDING THE FACTORS THE PRICE WAS BASED ON, doesn't tell you a damn thing. Not all cattle are the same quality hence they do not deserve to receive the same price.

Sandsnake: "Are we to ignore the fact that the loudest critiques of the reporting system come from feeders?"

A FEEDER or "THE FEEDERS"???

I don't hear anyone complaining but conspiracy theorists like Callicrate and socialized marketing advocates like you.

Sandsnake: "The problem is, Agman, you're got a track record here of making some bone-head calls and even pure BSing."

More cheap talk! Allegations without supporting facts.

Agman's business relies on the accuracy of his information. In contrast, you just tell your customers what they want to believe because you don't have the intelligence to sort fact from fiction or the courage to take a stand on what's factually supported. In otherwords, you are just another "populist opinion" coward.

Sandsnake: "I get a daily chuckle out of your prediction that the Japanese would scramble to get our beef."

Another empty allegation.

Where did Agman claim that Japan would scramble to take our beef? More bullsh*t from you!

If the Japanese consumer is reluctant to consume our beef, it's because we had bse, not because we didn't sell them the "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" with bse tests that wouldn't reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

Sandsnake: "You were full of crap trying to tell us that Cargill and Tyson were in Canada to serve the local markets and you were full of crap telling us Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. Your "no protocol" snowjob was a laugher as well. Your credibilty is inversely proportional to your ego."

More cheap talk! Empty allegations with nothing to support your position to the contrary.

As long as you never have to defend your cheap talk, you will always be a hero in your eyes.

Sandsnake: "Every dang producer vs big business issue that has come up finds you against the producer - and you claim you're on the producer's side."

Your backwards warped opinion is that anyone that doesn't support your conspiracy theories is against the producer. Those who are truly supportive of producers are wanting them to base their decisions on facts as opposed to blindly following the conspiracy theorists like you.

Sandsnake: "There's quite a few of us who have been around this site for quite a while and have seen 100s of your postings. Why not take a poll and see who believes you?"

As always, you find it easier to create an "ILLUSION OF AGMAN'S ACCURACY" by polling mental midgets like Conman as opposed to proving Agman wrong.

Some things never change!


~SH~

SH, the jury in Aberdeen seemed to disagree with you. It was a jury of 12 independent, non biased people.

Maybe your reality is a little warped. Perhaps all the mirrors in your room lead you to believe the person talking has unanimous support.

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "More than enough trades are reported to know what the major packers are paying on any given day."

Agman said ALL trades are reported.....

SH, "Where did Agman claim that Japan would scramble to take our beef? More bullsh*t from you!"

Here's your bullsh*t, Einstein; On Oct 4, Agman said this; "They want U.S beef and they will scramble to buy it as soon as it it made available."

Quote:
Sandsnake: "You were full of crap trying to tell us that Cargill and Tyson were in Canada to serve the local markets and you were full of crap telling us Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. Your "no protocol" snowjob was a laugher as well. Your credibilty is inversely proportional to your ego."


SH's predicatable wind, "More cheap talk! Empty allegations with nothing to support your position to the contrary. As long as you never have to defend your cheap talk, you will always be a hero in your eyes."

Mike provided a letter from Veneman proving Japan was asking for testing. You refuse to believe it because it wasn't addressed to you - that and because it proves you and Agman were full of hot air.

Tyson and Cargill are in a country that produces 4x? the amount of beef that can consumed domesticly and can not survive without exporting to serve the local markets? I have nothing to support my allegations?

SH, "Your backwards warped opinion is that anyone that doesn't support your conspiracy theories is against the producer"

When have I ever alledged a conspiracy? This seems to be another word you need to look up.

Go away, SH. Your comedy routine has lost it's luster.

 

[Econ101]

If we don't have the circus chicken, I would totally agree.

 

[agman]

SH, "More than enough trades are reported to know what the major packers are paying on any given day."

Agman said ALL trades are reported.....

SH, "Where did Agman claim that Japan would scramble to take our beef? More bullsh*t from you!"

Here's your bullsh*t, Einstein; On Oct 4, Agman said this; "They want U.S beef and they will scramble to buy it as soon as it it made available."

Quote:
Sandsnake: "You were full of crap trying to tell us that Cargill and Tyson were in Canada to serve the local markets and you were full of crap telling us Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. Your "no protocol" snowjob was a laugher as well. Your credibilty is inversely proportional to your ego."


SH's predicatable wind, "More cheap talk! Empty allegations with nothing to support your position to the contrary. As long as you never have to defend your cheap talk, you will always be a hero in your eyes."

Mike provided a letter from Veneman proving Japan was asking for testing. You refuse to believe it because it wasn't addressed to you - that and because it proves you and Agman were full of hot air.

Tyson and Cargill are in a country that produces 4x? the amount of beef that can consumed domesticly and can not survive without exporting to serve the local markets? I have nothing to support my allegations?

SH, "Your backwards warped opinion is that anyone that doesn't support your conspiracy theories is against the producer"

When have I ever alledged a conspiracy? This seems to be another word you need to look up.

Go away, SH. Your comedy routine has lost it's luster.

If you read and understand the reports you will soon learn the only thing holding up aggressive purchases is the possibility that if any contamination is found from any supplier ALL imports could be stopped again. Buyers, retailers and many restaurant groups, are presently unwilling to take that chance until it is proven a constant supply of product will be made available to them. That is only good business on their part, something you know very little about.

One Japanese retailer who is now offering U.S. beef product expects to sell out very quickly. I expect to know the actual results shortly unlike yourself who just makes baseless comments without any actual and/or factual information.

BTW, Cargill landed the first shipment of U.S. beef in Japan. Why would they do that since they can sell their Australian beef to Japan?!!!! I believe that was the uninformed conclusion presented by your dear and always confused friend Econ. I quess he is proven wrong again; how pathetic. You deserve each other as neither of you know what you are talking about.

 

[Bill]

Cargill, Costco team up on first Japan beef shipment

by Pete Hisey on 8/8/2006 for Meatingplace.com


An air shipment of 5.1 tons of Cargill beef arrived at Narita Airport in Tokyo on Monday, the first such shipment since January of this year. The customer was Costco Wholesale Japan, the Japanese arm of Costco Corp., the U.S. membership warehouse club retailer.

Costco representatives, airport inspectors and officials from the Ministry of Health were expected to scrutinize the shipment Monday, a process that could take an entire day, meaning that the beef will not reach Costco's distribution center until Tuesday, Japanese time. Thus the beef will probably not go on sale at Costco's five stores until the end of the week at earliest.

 

[agman]

Agman, "It is appropraite that you got the rule right before you took me to class!!!

I am on the producers side and always have been. Anyone who truly knows me understands that. Only a fool would think otherwise. To clarify misinformation regarding any segment of the industry does not mean I support one sector over the other.

First of all you should know the history of the rule. Packers did not initiate the rule, it came from the Justice Department to maintain compliance with Federal regulations pertaining to competition. The rule was adopted under and with the Mandatory Reporting Guidelines. Remember, that before Mandatory Reporting all those trades were reported voluntarily by the packers to the USDA and then to producers at the time of sale. Under the current guidelines they are reported when additional trade occurs so the trade source is co-mingled with other trades. For that aspect of trade the voluntary system was better than the requirements of Mandatory Reporting. Anyone with any real knowledge of the market knows that. That unavoidably excludes you.

Your lack of any real knowledge of the flow of market information is on exhibit again. Do you really believe that the USDA is the only source of trade information? Do you think the feedlots, many in consortiums, do not trade market informion including the number of contract cattle? Are you that removed from the marketplace? If so, you should not even be a junior loan officer in a small bank. You should be playing in your sandbox all day with the neighbor hood kids your age.

As a I stated there are no secrets when it comes to trade. Modern communications has eliminated that event. The very best example is of a cattle feeding group in your state who though their very best efforts cannot keep their early week trades from the market. When a deal is struck the trade knows within minutes. There are no secrets as you surmise. The only secret is how little you truly know. You have an excellent ag radio station in your state that is on top of trading throughout the day; perhaps you should dial in and listen.

Regarding your other so called question regarding "we". I explained that before and it is obvious that explanation was beyond your intellectual capacity. So, as I stated there is no reason to believe you would understand a repeat explanation. Someone such as yourself who belongs to a "me" organization would hardly understand who "we" represents. No need to ask again, you are just wasting your time and much more importantly, my time. I don't operate on bankers hours. As I previously stated, I will not play your little word game that you attempt to play with individuals who post.

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Yada, yada, yada, and more yada - the master of the strawman. However, my statement remains; not all trades are reported as you stated and only the packer knows the whole picture on contract cattle. Are we to ignore the fact that the loudest critiques of the reporting system come from feeders? I tend to believe the wet guy who tells me it's raining, not the weatherman who says it's dry.

I'm just "a junior loan officer in a small bank", and you're Agman - I mingle with fellas with manure on their boots and you talk to government economists so you're supposted to know a lot more than me. The problem is, Agman, you're got a track record here of making some bone-head calls and even pure BSing. I get a daily chuckle out of your prediction that the Japanese would scramble to get our beef. Your own compardre, Bob Wilson, said "growth in beef sales to Japan will be a very slow process". Don't you guys talk? I guess we know who the brains in your outfit are. :lol: You were full of crap trying to tell us that Cargill and Tyson were in Canada to serve the local markets and you were full of crap telling us Japan wasn't asking for tested beef. Your "no protocol" snowjob was a laugher as well. Your credibilty is inversely proportional to your ego.

You never explained who the "we" was in your example, and you ignored the question on what happens to the locals. You're caught and you know it. You've got a pattern of claiming "I'm smarter than you and you wouldn't understand" when you're in a tight spot. Truly impressive.

Every dang producer vs big business issue that has come up finds you against the producer - and you claim you're on the producer's side. More BS. There's quite a few of us who have been around this site for quite a while and have seen 100s of your postings. Why not take a poll and see who believes you?

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I too mingle with folks with manure on their boots and get plenty on mine. I do not set in my office everyday which is another baseless assumption on your part. I can comfortably say that on any given day I am associated with more cattlemen who handle more cattle than you would access in a full year. My input does not stop with cow/calf producers whom I serve. Rather, I serve the full spectrum of people who comprise the entire beef industry. They are the one's who know who I work for unlike an uninformed junior loan officer such as yourself.

Sorry bud, all trades are reported to the USDA as I stated. Get your facts straight. The USDA per the regualtions in the Mandatory Reporting Rules may not always report the trades as they occur. That is a compliance and legal issue, not some packer hiding trades. You are so ignorant of the facts that you are not aware as any real banker of cattlemen is that before mandatory reporting packers voluntairly reported those trades to the USDA as they do today. Before the Mandatory Reporting Rules were issued the USDA was free to report those trades immediately, unlike the situation today.

Is there any law that says that any business has to report all of its internal information to you and or its competitors? Unfortunately, as you state, you just work with cow calf producers, many good ones I surmise, who are more removed from contract information than feeders and feedyards. The mere fact that you may not know does not mean the other aforementioned sectors do not know the extent of contracts available. Not everyone is as misinformed and misguided as you.

I still do not understand why that would even concern you since you support and organization whose membership only produces cattle not beef. Is that not a hoot? If you are just a cattleman your risk stops when the cattle are loaded on the truck. Why should you benefit from anything gained beyond your point of risk? Does your bank share its profits beyond any income derived from a loan to a cattleman? Do you dislose all the banks other loans to cattlemen and investments to the borrower? Check-Mate again!!! You are just too easy.

Interesting little factual event. At one of the R-Calf annual state meetings one of the esteemed R-Calf members asked a retail representative who was on the panel why his company did not pay him more for his cattle. The retailer replied "I don't buy cattle I buy beef". OH, AH, sit down!! Who is it that is misinformed, the retailer or the cattleman who has been brainwashed into believing he only produces cattle yet believes he can tell beef producers how to run their business; how naive. You fit right in Sandhusker.

Your insistence that the USDA is the only source of trade information shows how little you really know about the market, its structure and trade information-there are no secrets except perhaps to someone who is as misguided and misinformed as you. That is your problem not the markets or packers. You are much farther down the information ladder then I previously thought and you constantly demonstrate.

Your attempt to use the U.S. packer situation in Canada as proof that corporations enter foreign markets only to export rather than to serve the local market shows the shallowness and limits of your knowledge regrading trade. There are always exceptions and I have not stated otherwise. In your skewed view one obseravtion is sufficient to draw a conclusion. That is a sign of ignorance, not superior intelligence as you so claimed shortly after I began posting on this forum to correct the many streams of misinformation that exist. You do recall your claim, don't you? As with most of your statements you have yet to prove that claim.

Regarding Japan, since we have just resumed trading we will know who will have the last laugh. You, who has made an assumption regarding acceptance of U.S product or myself who will monitor and track sales volume. Regarding Bob's comments, he is free to say what he wants but since I converse with him daily I think I know what he meant more than you do. I do agree with him that to return to the pre-BSE export volume levels it will take time. That does not dismiss the fact that U.S. beef will sell well provided the supply is not interrupted by another import stoppage. The concern over such a stoppage is an impediment near term as I previously stated. Unfortunately, Japan is still playing politics with this issue. BTW, they still have not insisted on blanket testing as you claim!!

Regarding your little word game with the word "we". You being a member of a "me" orgnaization I can readily understand why you have difficulty undrestanding who the "we" is that comprises our great beef industry. Perhaps you should spend less time on this forum trying to act intelligent and spend more time learning about our great beef industry and all the really great people, spearheaded by producers, who are moving this industry forward despite misinformed people such as yourself. Better luck next time you when leave your sandbox!!

 

[Econ101]

Agman:

Your attempt to use the U.S. packer situation in Canada as proof that corporations enter foreign markets only to export rather than to serve the local market shows the shallowness and limits of your knowledge regrading trade.

BTW, Cargill landed the first shipment of U.S. beef in Japan. Why would they do that since they can sell their Australian beef to Japan?!!!! I believe that was the uninformed conclusion presented by your dear and always confused friend Econ. I quess he is proven wrong again; how pathetic. You deserve each other as neither of you know what you are talking about.

Agman, why would you think anyone but yourself came up with the "uninformed conclusion" that the only reason Cargill or any other big agribusiness moves to a different country is to export or be limited in sales? You seem too easily confused yourself when you begin to make assumptions about what other people think as this example illustrates. Cargill, Tyson, or any other company will sell products from any region of the globe if it is in their best interest and can do it. Sometimes these interests are not the interests of the "home" industry, as you know. The coup as you know, was that Cargill was able to ship beef out of Australia and into Japan where U.S. beef was not allowed. This was a comparative advantage for Cargill in the international trade in beef and an advantage over Tyson of sales to a lucrative market because of differences in international policies and bse eonomics(Note that I never even came close to the assumption you jumped to and attributed to me). You and SH must have some shared DNA to be so alike in your attributing thoughts from yourself to others so you can win arguments with yourself.

Perhaps you could leave the thinking for other people out of your future posts. You have been shown time and again that your track record in that regard is not good enough for even a longshot bet.

If the only way you can win arguments with others is to make up what they say, please do it with pms to yourself. It is much better than posting them where everyone can see the faults you point out in the arguments you have with yourself and then try to attribute them to others.

 

[Econ101]

Another example of the above:?

Agman:

Your insistence that the USDA is the only source of trade information shows how little you really know about the market, its structure and trade information-there are no secrets except perhaps to someone who is as misguided and misinformed as you. That is your problem not the markets or packers. You are much farther down the information ladder then I previously thought and you constantly demonstrate.

Where did anyone but you come up with even the thought, let alone "insistence" that the USDA is the only source of trade information? Could it be the person with the possible shared DNA (SH) mentioned in the above post? Misguided and misinformed doesn't hold a stick to psuedo reality you try to make up to win an argument. With this type of reasoning, you may never find the ladder to reality other than the one you attempt to contstrue yourself. I warn you, it will get you nowhere worth going.

If there are no secrets, why not get Tyson and other packers to open their books completely and record every trade on the net? As I stated before, the defendants in the Aberdeen trial would have had an absolute defense if such a record was kept and in real time under the "voluntary" program.