Focus on the real problem, not the ACORNS

[hopalong]

May not accept it Tex but you have yet to really address it, except to say it is a low priority :roll:

 

[Tam]

I am so glad to argue with all of you at once. Brings back fond memories from childhood.

I didn't say we shouldn't go after voter fraud, I said we should go after every one of them. I think election commissions should institute ways to catch and hold people accountable and I gave an example with fingerprinting (which I did with my notary) which could hold them accountable even if they didn't have a driver's license. I think people continue to commit crime when they get away with it so that is why you stop it from the start.

I just said there are much bigger issues that we are not outraged about that have had much greater effect on all of us.

Tex

In your whole response there is not one bit of debate. Just drool type drivel. Of course you can't debate it, because you can not justify your acceptance of felony voter fraud.

This is the problem with you Larry. You suggest that I do accept such frauds. I am just saying we need to quantify and rate them so as to not lose such important assets which are wasted on such.

You have no capacity, it seems, and waste your outrage on the little things while having none on the larger more deserving. Much of it comes out of your hate which has been carefully manicured to its current state which immobilizes you into an inability to function rationally and, yes, for you to start making up your own reality some of which you have made in the assertion that I somehow accept felony voter fraud. Oh, such a dream world you have allowed yourself to be put in. Is today opposite day for you?

Tex

Don't you get it :roll: to most voters the integrity of the US election process IS A BIG DEAL. When People like those in ACORN screw with that process to their benefit that makes people mad. :x When people like you just wants to sweep their concerns under the rug with LIES and move on to something they see pale in comparison to VOTER FRAUD it makes people P*ZZED So hint stop trying to defending ACORN by distracting to another topic, you are coming off like Oldtimer. :roll:

 

[Larrry]

I am so glad to argue with all of you at once. Brings back fond memories from childhood.

I didn't say we shouldn't go after voter fraud, I said we should go after every one of them. I think election commissions should institute ways to catch and hold people accountable and I gave an example with fingerprinting (which I did with my notary) which could hold them accountable even if they didn't have a driver's license. I think people continue to commit crime when they get away with it so that is why you stop it from the start.

I just said there are much bigger issues that we are not outraged about that have had much greater effect on all of us.

Tex

In your whole response there is not one bit of debate. Just drool type drivel. Of course you can't debate it, because you can not justify your acceptance of felony voter fraud.

This is the problem with you Larry. You suggest that I do accept such frauds. I am just saying we need to quantify and rate them so as to not lose such important assets which are wasted on such.

You have no capacity, it seems, and waste your outrage on the little things while having none on the larger more deserving. Much of it comes out of your hate which has been carefully manicured to its current state which immobilizes you into an inability to function rationally and, yes, for you to start making up your own reality some of which you have made in the assertion that I somehow accept felony voter fraud. Oh, such a dream world you have allowed yourself to be put in. Is today opposite day for you?

Tex

You are wrong, first voter fraud is not LITTLE as you try to imply so you can ignore a felony. And secondly I am outraged by other wrongdoings. No where did I say nothing else bothers me. You implying that is your childish way to negate any opposition to you. Taking a felony and treating it as a felony is functioning rationaly. You ignoring a felong is irrational. In each statement you make you endlessly try to downplay voter fraud.

 

[Larrry]

Remember most "voter fraud" is a FELONY. Do we ignore Felonies. But one of the biggest thing our whole system of government is based on the right to vote. If the result is not even affected, voter fraud can still have a damaging effect and destroy the voter confidence that is an anchor in our sytem. So how small some people think voter fraud, it is still a major issue, because when people have no confidence in our vote our system is doomed to failure. It is big, no ifs ands or but about it.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Guys, Guys, Guys, Tex just has a hard on of hate for Tyson or any other corporation.

He just get get past the fact he lost his back yard chicken operation to Tyson. :roll:

 

[Larrry]

Guys, Guys, Guys, Tex just has a hard on of hate for Tyson or any other corporation.

He just get get past the fact he lost his back yard chicken operation to Tyson. :roll:

Are you sayin he had a bell on his chickens?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Guys, Guys, Guys, Tex just has a hard on of hate for Tyson or any other corporation.

He just get get past the fact he lost his back yard chicken operation to Tyson. :roll:

Are you sayin he had a bell on his chickens?

No I'm sayin' a coyote he named Tyson ate his chickens. :lol: :lol:

 

[Tam]

He had more than ONE Chicken :shock: and didn't share the wealth with his neighbor. TEX what kind of Liberal are you. :wink:

 

[hypocritexposer]

I heard he once had 4 chickens, but Tyson lured them away, from the chicken ranch with bribes, and promises of luxurious holidays.

 

[Steve]

This is what happens when you don't provide for the coyote with adequate food and shelter.. how often do you cold conservatives need to see that austerity measures will cut essential services and end up with violence.

why didn't Tex just give the coyote some dog food,.. and it would not have eaten the chicken

,..

 

[Anonymous]

They haven't caught anyone at the polls trying to vote twice except with the mistake they made with Steve's son (pretty awful and I think Steve's son's rights were possibly violated).

lets see.. where to start.. screw you ---hole is the first thought..

it never fails.. you have always been a self riotous --- and nothing ever seems to change.. I have never seen you take a conservative or right-leaning side in any debate ever.. if anything you have pushed hard against capitalism and outright supported socialist ideas..

I can see why many do not try to debate with you..

it wasn't a mistake.. it was clearly a criminal act.. the courts just could not legally find a person to charge.. as the voter registration drive was so full of fraud, so much so that even the top person was fake..

any voter crime should be dealt with.. just as any other crime..

How about we start with LIAR as TEX claims they haven't caught anyone voting twice WRONG they have found Democrats at the polls voting twice for Obama, they admitted to it and were CONVICTED of voter fraud.

Then you have the Illegals that voted in the NM election I read there are 64000 cases of possible voter fraud being investigated in that state . But when you have Dems fight so no one needs an ID to vote, guess what, you can say you are anyone you want to and get away voting using any one of those fraudulently registered names.

BTW TEX just how much do you think the tax payers are going to spend on investigating ACORNS action when all is said and done? Hundred of Millions maybe, But hey NO BIGGY RIGHT :roll:

By Michael Haederle, Los Angeles Times

July 31, 2011
Reporting from Albuquerque—
Dianna Duran, New Mexico's secretary of State who took office in January, sounded a tad pugnacious in March when she reported that 117 foreign nationals with phony Social Security numbers had registered to vote and 37 had cast ballots in elections.

There was, she said, "a culture of corruption" in the state.

Duran, who had ordered her staff to check 1.16 million voter registration records against motor vehicle and Social Security databases, also raised eyebrows by referring 64,000 voter registration records to the state police, citing irregularities.

No one has been charged with a crime, and Duran, a former Republican state senator and county clerk, has since taken fire from Democratic legislators, public interest groups and news organizations that say she has overstated her case, scared voters and withheld proof of her claims.

Duran maintains that she is just doing what she was elected to do. "I am simply adhering to the promise I made to voters all over the state," she said in an interview.

"My concern is she is creating fear and causing people not to go to the polls and suppressing the vote," said state Sen. Peter Wirth, a Santa Fe Democrat and co-chairman of the legislative Courts, Corrections and Justice Committee, whose members grilled Duran during a public hearing July 15.

"She wants to clean up the voter rolls — that's a good thing," Wirth said. "But using the state police creates a perception of wrongdoing."

Duran's disclosures prompted reporters and the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico to file open-records requests for details of her investigation. Duran eventually released heavily redacted documents, citing executive privilege for withholding most of the information.

The ACLU sued Duran on July 20 to release more information.

"The major issue is transparency," said ACLU managing attorney Laura Schauer Ives. "Without it, elected officials are able to act in a shroud of secrecy."

The Albuquerque Journal, which had endorsed Duran's candidacy, accused her of hypocrisy in an editorial: "To gauge her progress so far, all they can do is read between her pages and pages of redacted lines."

Duran's move to scrub the voter rolls reflects a national GOP preoccupation with preventing illegal voting, said Denise Lamb, a former state elections director and a registered independent.

"All over the country there is a movement by predominantly the Republican Party to get voter ID laws passed," she said. "On their side, they say it's about fraud — election fraud at the polls is virtually undetectable and you have to do this."

But Democrats contend that requiring a driver's license at polling places tends to discourage voting by seniors who have given up driving, students, minorities and the homeless, Lamb said.

Lamb doubts illegal voting is widespread, calling it "a low-yield felony." She recalled a single documented example of a noncitizen voting during her 10-year tenure with the elections bureau. It involved a Russian scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory who was about to become a naturalized U.S. citizen and had mistakenly voted in a school election.

Duran denies discouraging anyone from voting and says her comments have been misconstrued. As the first New Mexico secretary of State to cross-check the databases, she was merely following the example of 42 other states, she said.

Duran acknowledged that the "vast majority" of irregularities found in the database cross-checks had probably resulted from routine errors made by county clerks while entering information from handwritten voter registration cards into the computer system.

In New Mexico, one of two states that permit undocumented residents to obtain driver's licenses, clerks routinely offer voter registration forms to patrons at motor vehicles offices in compliance with federal motor-voter laws, Duran said.

It's possible that some who are ineligible to vote may have inadvertently filled out the registration forms with the other paperwork. "It may not even have been their intention to register when they should not have," she said. "I have never asserted there have been huge numbers of people attempting to vote."

Duran declined, on her lawyer's advice, to discuss the ACLU lawsuit or her broad claim of executive privilege in withholding records, but said she was confident the controversy had not damaged her credibility.

Lamb, who has known Duran for years, called her "basically a very decent public official," adding, "I think it was inartful communication."

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

 

[hypocritexposer]

showing government ID before voting should be mandatory.....why are Democrats against it?

 

[okfarmer]

showing government ID before voting should be mandatory.....why are Democrats against it?

The DMV lines will be even longer with all the Dead needing to renew their licenses. :wink:

 

[Mike]

showing government ID before voting should be mandatory.....why are Democrats against it?

Cadaver turnout is usually very high in Alabama. :lol:

We just got a voter ID law in the last few years. The Dems fought it for years and years.

About as funny is the teachers union fighting to not take an 8th grade equivalent test before being allowed to teach. :shock:

 

[Tam]

lets see.. where to start.. screw you ---hole is the first thought..

it never fails.. you have always been a self riotous --- and nothing ever seems to change.. I have never seen you take a conservative or right-leaning side in any debate ever.. if anything you have pushed hard against capitalism and outright supported socialist ideas..

I can see why many do not try to debate with you..

it wasn't a mistake.. it was clearly a criminal act.. the courts just could not legally find a person to charge.. as the voter registration drive was so full of fraud, so much so that even the top person was fake..

any voter crime should be dealt with.. just as any other crime..

How about we start with LIAR as TEX claims they haven't caught anyone voting twice WRONG they have found Democrats at the polls voting twice for Obama, they admitted to it and were CONVICTED of voter fraud.

Then you have the Illegals that voted in the NM election I read there are 64000 cases of possible voter fraud being investigated in that state . But when you have Dems fight so no one needs an ID to vote, guess what, you can say you are anyone you want to and get away voting using any one of those fraudulently registered names.

BTW TEX just how much do you think the tax payers are going to spend on investigating ACORNS action when all is said and done? Hundred of Millions maybe, But hey NO BIGGY RIGHT :roll:

By Michael Haederle, Los Angeles Times

July 31, 2011
Reporting from Albuquerque—
Dianna Duran, New Mexico's secretary of State who took office in January, sounded a tad pugnacious in March when she reported that 117 foreign nationals with phony Social Security numbers had registered to vote and 37 had cast ballots in elections.

There was, she said, "a culture of corruption" in the state.

Duran, who had ordered her staff to check 1.16 million voter registration records against motor vehicle and Social Security databases, also raised eyebrows by referring 64,000 voter registration records to the state police, citing irregularities.

No one has been charged with a crime, and Duran, a former Republican state senator and county clerk, has since taken fire from Democratic legislators, public interest groups and news organizations that say she has overstated her case, scared voters and withheld proof of her claims.

Duran maintains that she is just doing what she was elected to do. "I am simply adhering to the promise I made to voters all over the state," she said in an interview.

"My concern is she is creating fear and causing people not to go to the polls and suppressing the vote," said state Sen. Peter Wirth, a Santa Fe Democrat and co-chairman of the legislative Courts, Corrections and Justice Committee, whose members grilled Duran during a public hearing July 15.

"She wants to clean up the voter rolls — that's a good thing," Wirth said. "But using the state police creates a perception of wrongdoing."

Duran's disclosures prompted reporters and the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico to file open-records requests for details of her investigation. Duran eventually released heavily redacted documents, citing executive privilege for withholding most of the information.

The ACLU sued Duran on July 20 to release more information.

"The major issue is transparency," said ACLU managing attorney Laura Schauer Ives. "Without it, elected officials are able to act in a shroud of secrecy."

The Albuquerque Journal, which had endorsed Duran's candidacy, accused her of hypocrisy in an editorial: "To gauge her progress so far, all they can do is read between her pages and pages of redacted lines."

Duran's move to scrub the voter rolls reflects a national GOP preoccupation with preventing illegal voting, said Denise Lamb, a former state elections director and a registered independent.

"All over the country there is a movement by predominantly the Republican Party to get voter ID laws passed," she said. "On their side, they say it's about fraud — election fraud at the polls is virtually undetectable and you have to do this."

But Democrats contend that requiring a driver's license at polling places tends to discourage voting by seniors who have given up driving, students, minorities and the homeless, Lamb said.

Lamb doubts illegal voting is widespread, calling it "a low-yield felony." She recalled a single documented example of a noncitizen voting during her 10-year tenure with the elections bureau. It involved a Russian scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory who was about to become a naturalized U.S. citizen and had mistakenly voted in a school election.

Duran denies discouraging anyone from voting and says her comments have been misconstrued. As the first New Mexico secretary of State to cross-check the databases, she was merely following the example of 42 other states, she said.

Duran acknowledged that the "vast majority" of irregularities found in the database cross-checks had probably resulted from routine errors made by county clerks while entering information from handwritten voter registration cards into the computer system.

In New Mexico, one of two states that permit undocumented residents to obtain driver's licenses, clerks routinely offer voter registration forms to patrons at motor vehicles offices in compliance with federal motor-voter laws, Duran said.

It's possible that some who are ineligible to vote may have inadvertently filled out the registration forms with the other paperwork. "It may not even have been their intention to register when they should not have," she said. "I have never asserted there have been huge numbers of people attempting to vote."

Duran declined, on her lawyer's advice, to discuss the ACLU lawsuit or her broad claim of executive privilege in withholding records, but said she was confident the controversy had not damaged her credibility.

Lamb, who has known Duran for years, called her "basically a very decent public official," adding, "I think it was inartful communication."

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

Yep money being spent on 64000 cases that the NM Sec of State saw as hinky and yep illegals voting, which according to what I know illegals are not legal to cast a ballot so that would be 37 cases of VOTER FRAUD. :wink:

And the Dems making excuses why not to ask for ID to insure the integrity of the election process and stop VOTER FRAUD.


Thanks Hurley for posting an article that backed up what I said. :wink:

 

[hopalong]

That sort of reporting just does not get it, not worth reporting, Tyson on the other hand is very important, (by the way what is new with him,) oppppps sorry Tex wrong Tyson :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[okfarmer]

But Democrats contend that requiring a driver's license at polling places tends to discourage voting by seniors who have given up driving, students, minorities and the homeless, Lamb said.

Who said it had to be a driver's license? Many people don't drive and have state issued IDs.

 

[hopalong]

that is correct okfarmer, my mil who is 84 has a state issued id card and is accepted the same as a drivers license as a form of id, have to have it in order for her to fly!!!
Now if you have to have a form of is to fly, to cash a check, to get some drugs, why not one to vote?????

 

[Steve]

the liberals use a tactic called rights to defend their position on voting,.. and so far it has worked well in the courts..
the idea is that since voting is a constitutional right any "requirement" placed on it is unconstitutional..
if I have to have something the right is infringed is a good argument..
They follow up with there should not be a test or form required to vote,
and then finish with a cost should not be imposed to vote..

in a purest from I would agree... a requirement,test, or cost would infringe upon the right to vote..

but what about other rights that are restricted..
you can't shout fire in a theater is used in infringing the right to free speech,
there is a wall of separation is used to infringe free exercise of religion..
public safety is often cited as a need to infringe upon the right to control gun ownership

but what about the basic right to vote,.. can it legally be infringed by requiring an ID?

I would start by arguing it is already infringed.. and has a test or requirement

you must be 18 to vote.. ( 26th amendment)

but a felon can't own a gun or vote in many states.. this being a state requirement...

and you must "register" to vote..

so what is wrong with an ID card.. nothing if it is from the state and for the right reasons. so by using case law and the constitution the ID requirement can be made Constitutional.


so if the Id is to only show proof of registration, Age, and citizenship. it would stand..


to get the ID the person can be required to show proof of birth-date, citizenship, and swear an affidavit as to not being registered in another district and be free..

by limiting the scope of the ID, the laws will be constitutional and take the wind out of a liberals argument..

and IDs are needed...

 

[Anonymous]

A National ID is feared/opposed by many from all sides of the political spectrum-- real conservatives- pro 2nd Amendment rights groups- Libertarians- Constitutionalists- the left- the ACLU- etc...

When Bush proposed the Real ID Act numerous states opposed it- not only on the issue of the cost to the states but due to the fact it portrayed the image of one more step toward a Police state-- and of the WWII films of the Gestapo standing at a railroad station demanding "your papers"...

Arkansas, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Washington have joined Maine and Utah in passing legislation opposing Real ID