HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
All the more reason for Canada to push for mandatory BSE testing of OTMs.agman said:HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
I do not know the answer to that question. But I do have serious reservations about OTM cattle. The science is not as clear as it is on UTM in my opinion. I have stated at meetings and to my clients I would oppose the importation of OTM's unless more evidence of safety is provided. Sorry that I did not get to your question sooner.
rkaiser said:You got it Bill. After all Rcalf and Agman are on the same side on this one.
agman said:HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
I do not know the answer to that question. But I do have serious reservations about OTM cattle. The science is not as clear as it is on UTM in my opinion. I have stated at meetings and to my clients I would oppose the importation of OTM's unless more evidence of safety is provided. Sorry that I did not get to your question sooner.
HAY MAKER said:Its about time,I knew there were some good in that boy..........good luck
PS Thanks agman,I appreciate your honesty,I wonder how many "OTM" cattle are backed up in canada waiting to go south,must be a helluva lot of em because the push is on....................good luck
Jason said:HAY MAKER said:Its about time,I knew there were some good in that boy..........good luck
PS Thanks agman,I appreciate your honesty,I wonder how many "OTM" cattle are backed up in canada waiting to go south,must be a helluva lot of em because the push is on....................good luck
Interesting how you accept Agman's comment when it seems to agree with your agenda.
I doubt there is much risk with OTM cattle, but that aside, there is not a backlog of older cattle in Canada. Cow prices have climbed and the domestic market is taking the grind.
The reason the push is on to open the border to OTM is for breeding stock, and to normalize trade as much as possible.
If the border were to open before year end, there would be some movement in cows to American plants, just because the price difference is enough to make some jump through hoops to get it. However the same trucks that are in short supply to haul UTM cattle would have to be used to haul whatever has the better margin. If cows move maybe calves would slow.
All other factors being equal, I think cow prices would hold within a few pennies in the States if the border opens with the same limits I mentioned.
If some plants are starving for cows, they might be able to stay in business easier and keep prices for cows higher with a more stable supply. If they are swimming in cows they will pull their bids down. Simple as that.
agman said:HAY MAKER said:And tell me when OTM cattle are crossing the border,and how it will effect the markets..................good luck
I do not know the answer to that question. But I do have serious reservations about OTM cattle. The science is not as clear as it is on UTM in my opinion. I have stated at meetings and to my clients I would oppose the importation of OTM's unless more evidence of safety is provided. Sorry that I did not get to your question sooner.
Could this be the same information source that told you that we had over a million calves and feeders poised at the line to flood and destroy your markets as soon as the border opened. When are you going to get a better source of information Haymaker. :wink:HAY MAKER said:Jason said:HAY MAKER said:Its about time,I knew there were some good in that boy..........good luck
PS Thanks agman,I appreciate your honesty,I wonder how many "OTM" cattle are backed up in canada waiting to go south,must be a helluva lot of em because the push is on....................good luck
Interesting how you accept Agman's comment when it seems to agree with your agenda.
I doubt there is much risk with OTM cattle, but that aside, there is not a backlog of older cattle in Canada. Cow prices have climbed and the domestic market is taking the grind.
The reason the push is on to open the border to OTM is for breeding stock, and to normalize trade as much as possible.
If the border were to open before year end, there would be some movement in cows to American plants, just because the price difference is enough to make some jump through hoops to get it. However the same trucks that are in short supply to haul UTM cattle would have to be used to haul whatever has the better margin. If cows move maybe calves would slow.
All other factors being equal, I think cow prices would hold within a few pennies in the States if the border opens with the same limits I mentioned.
If some plants are starving for cows, they might be able to stay in business easier and keep prices for cows higher with a more stable supply. If they are swimming in cows they will pull their bids down. Simple as that.
About 900,000 head as of July,waiting to go south ,was what I heard..................good luck
PS that's alot of breeding cattle :wink:
fedup2 said:Seems there are times that when you give your honest opinion on an issue Agman, that you get ridiculed by some on both side of that issue. Many times one's honest opinion/numbers on something is not always the 'popular' opinion. I'm sure that there are many here, myself included, that appreciate your honest opinion vs the popular one. Thank you.