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Hockey. Violent? Nah!!!!

I think the head stomp incident could probably relate pretty well with the two handed slash to the face.. Both are not really part of the game. No one said cross checking or anything like that was wrong (This would equate with the tackling). now, he was immediatly tossed from the game and I think suspended 3 games for the incident.. Should have been more. 3/16ths of a season would equate to what in hockey? 12.3 games would be the equivlent... They are talking rest of the season right now...

Now, Mrs. Greg, for a little bit of god natured ribbing, I don't know if I would call being in the states since th 1994 championship "vacation", lol... Shout, the Blackhawks were good back than :wink:

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IL Rancher said:
Now, Mrs. Greg, for a little bit of god natured ribbing, I don't know if I would call being in the states since th 1994 championship "vacation", lol... Shout, the Blackhawks were good back than :wink:

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Well Mike DIDN'T know that.....and really the last two Stanley cups should have been Alta's BUT we kindly conceded and let you guys keep it,and only for the simple reason we would like to see your country gain a sence of pride in your mostly Canadian filled teams....that is my story and I'm sticking to it{IL rancher insert my angel emoticion}


About curling...you should have seen the violence yesterday when Albertas only chance to win the Briar,once again LOST :roll:

I VIOLENTLY cried,STOMPED my feet,PUNCHED my pillow THREW-up :cry:
 
no question it was a cheap shot,just as driving simons head into the glass was...Simon was tossed and will be punished ....Is it ok to hit a reciever in the ribs with your shoulder when he is extended out to catch a ball thrown over the middle above his head....The problem with sport is it no longer is allowed to take care of itself......A good example is lacross very few injuries but yet rough sport.....they are able to still police thier game....few rules

Way to many protection rules in sport now.....the equipment in hockey is like armour,kids have no fear which in turn has them learning not to protect themselves at a young age....learning to be hit is just as important as being hit in hockey....Sticks are up in all leagues because of face shields and the fact that hitting is not allowed until later on in years......Once folks realize hitting and taking hits are learned skills,They will always have bad looking stick infractions...The sad truth is,the days of Scott Stevens are over......
 
Nonothing.. The deal with hitting a reciever with your shoulder (Which is still legal, to a point) is that it is in the play of the game.. Watching the highlight when simon got drilled the puck was there.. The sticking seemed to happen on the back side of the play.. I would place the shoulder to seperate the ball from the receiver in mid air to what happened to simon while I would place what simon did as more of spearing type offense (Which is illegal and the ones called don't equate to the Spearing in Dick Butkus's area when it was legal (Ouch, the closelines)...

I don't know if you can allow sports to police themselves anymore (in game that is).. Grudges go over weeks, months even when they are allowed to take care of it.. A brush back pitch in basebal means the idiot charges the pitcher instead of brushes himself off... I think the player's mentality doesn't allow "proper" policing anymore.. I watched a lot of hockey back when I was wee kid and it sure is different.. Of course, back than helmets weren't even worn by everyone...The folks grandfathered in were still out there...
 
Like I said before-Simon made a mistake the league will deal with him and life will move on. There's been ultra violent episodes in almost every sport from time to time. Anybody see Zhidane in the soccer deal last summer. I'm not going to bad mouth the greatest sport in the world-HOCKEY-because of a few isolated incidances. Pro sport always was a tough brutal business-players today are bigger,faster and stronger than ever before and some have anger problems. As far as condoning that behavior-suit up for my hockey team and take a stupid ash penalty like that and see what happens. As far as lacrosse would Simon's deal even be a penalty-that's truly is a tough sport. Unfortunately there are many ways to cheapshot a guy and some get sensationalized more than others. Ovechkin numbering Drury on a line change was a worse deal than Simon's in my opinion.
 
Jeepers, Mike, I hope you never hear about what they let them get away with in the sport called boxing! I mean, we're not talking about the odd slash at your opponent. IN fact, the officials actually let two guys (who, in fact, can't even get out of this little roped off square) beat on each other until one of them is - NOW GET THIS AND MAYBE, MIKEY, YOU HAD BETTER SIT DOWN BEFORE YOU CONTINUE READING - until one of them is UNCONSCIOUS

Now, ain't that civilized?

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Hope I didn't spoil your evening by breaking that to ya, buddy!
 
Don't be mocking the sweet science of boxing...

I often wonder how kids get in to that sport... I should have asked my budy who did it back in highschool.. He did golden gloves... Man, you can always tell when he had a fight, al cut up and swollen the next monday... I think he need to work a little moe on the dodge..

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Maple Leaf Angus said:
Jeepers, Mike, I hope you never hear about what they let them get away with in the sport called boxing! I mean, we're not talking about the odd slash at your opponent. IN fact, the officials actually let two guys (who, in fact, can't even get out of this little roped off square) beat on each other until one of them is - NOW GET THIS AND MAYBE, MIKEY, YOU HAD BETTER SIT DOWN BEFORE YOU CONTINUE READING - until one of them is UNCONSCIOUS

Now, ain't that civilized?

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Hope I didn't spoil your evening by breaking that to ya, buddy!

No, not at all.

But next time a boxer picks up a stick and hits his opponent in the face, please notify me. :lol:

My beef is with "sportsmanship" and it's decline.

Boxing is barbaric, I admit. But the guys follow the rules nevertheless.

Remember the old Rodney Dangerfield line:

" I tell ya, I went to a Boxing match last night and a Hockey game broke out". :lol:
 
Didn't a certain someone bite a piece of his opponets ear off,during a boxing match?......What is your take on UFC?
 
nonothing said:
Didn't a certain someone bite a piece of his opponets ear off,during a boxing match?......What is your take on UFC?

Yes that was Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield. Tyson's right where he belongs now. In jail.

I guess if they know what they are getting in to beforehand they should be prepared to take the consequences.

But it wouldn't be fair if someone in UFC broke the rules and say.......carried a knife in the ring and cut an opponent though.

Get my drift? It's about "Sportsmanship" and following the rules of the game. There are too many easily impressionable young people that need good role models. Pro athletes should be just that, but the bad ones get all the attention.
 
Getting attention by guys who've never played or probably watched the game making repetitive posts condemning the sport about an isolated incident. By the way Hollweg would of got a game misconduct for his hit from behind in minor hockey. Numbering a guy face first into the boards is just as bad. When you factor in the number of gamesXthe number of hits the incidants like Simon's are miniscule-next time you want to comment on hockey maybe mention a Sidney Crosby highlight reel goal. If not stick to watching figure skating if you can't handle a man's sport. You don't see Canadians dissing NASCAR-which is as far from a real sport as any and chock full of cheaters.
 
Good Sportsmanship Examples

1922 - Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators' players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him.
1955 - Maurice "Rocket" Richard of the Montreal Canadiens was hit on the head by Boston Bruins player Hal Laycoe. Richard retaliated by hitting Laycoe with his stick. When a referee attempted to stop the fight, Richard hit the linesman, too. The NHL suspended Richard for the rest of the season and playoffs. Canadiens fans rioted.
1969 - In a pre-season game, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St.Louis Blues were embroiled in a stick-swinging fight that resulted in a fractured skull for Green. Both were acquitted in court. The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and handed a 13-day suspension to Green.
1975 - Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. Maloney was charged with assault causing bodily harm, but was acquitted.
1975 - Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbes with aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped.
1976 - Four Philadelphia Flyers players, Joe Watson, Mel Bridgman, Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kelly were charged with assault, using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault.
1977 - Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit Pittsburgh Penguin Dennis Owchar with his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted.
1982 - Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and hit Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Police charged Mann, who was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg.
1988 - Dino Ciccarelli hit Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000.
1998 - Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalers was suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Storm forward Andrew Lang. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident.
1998 - Jeff Kugel of the Windsor Spitfires was handed a 25-game suspension for attacking Juri Golicic of the Owen Sound Platers, as well as a lifetime ban from the Ontario Hockey League as a result of an incident that occurred a month earlier when Kugel sucker-punched Golicic from behind, then skated around the ice waving to the crowd. Following a lengthy appeal, the OHL commissioner softened his punishment, allowing Kugel to apply for reinstatement at the end of the season.
2000 - Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canucks Donald Brashear in the head with his stick. McSorley was convicted of assault and given an 18-month conditional discharge.
2004 - Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche from behind, knocking Moore unconscious. Bertuzzi then fell on Moore, who landed head-first on the ice. Moore sustained two chipped vertebrae, a concussion, and facial lacerations, at least partly due to the fall. Bertuzzi was charged by police, and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005, and Moore has made several (so far) unsuccessful attempts at civil litigation.
 
AUSTIN - Ice hockey teams that play with more violence are less likely to win, according to a landmark study on professional sports violence conducted by the Texas Youth Commission's John D. Walker, M.D., and Illinois State University Health, Physical Education & Recreation Professor Steven T. McCaw, Ph.D.

Dr. Walker, prevention specialist for Texas' juvenile corrections agency, just returned from Zurich, Switzerland, where he presented the research to an international audience of leaders in professional sport at the invitation of the 1998 Ice Hockey World Championship International Symposium on Medicine and Science in Ice Hockey.

The violence prevention research provides new evidence of both statistical and practical significance. At the highest level of competition, teams playing with more violence are not more likely to win; in fact, the opposite is true. In a study of 1,462 recorded penalties from all 18 Stanley Cup Championship Final Series from 1980 to 1997, teams playing with less violence were more likely to win and averaged more than seven more shots on goal per game than teams that played with more violence. Over the course of a seven-game series, this would provide an additional 53 more shots on goal – more than a whole extra game's worth of shots on goal - to teams playing with less violence.

The researchers also found that losing teams demonstrated more violent player behavior early in the game, suggesting that violence was not due to the frustration of losing, but rather due to an intentional strategy possibly based on the mistaken belief that violent behavior contributes to winning.

Ice hockey has become the fastest growing sport in many parts of the world. Although European ice hockey has evolved into a highly refined game, based on skill and finesse, the North American version of the sport is still based heavily on violence. Catastrophic and disabling injuries are being reported with increasing frequency. These injuries are in many cases caused by violent player behavior which, the researchers pointed out, may be supported by coaches who cling to the belief that such behavior contributes to winning.

In a recent issue of Sky Magazine dedicated to "The Magnitude of Sport", Pulitzer Prize-winning author Jonathan Yardley wrote "There is much to be learned about a culture from those persons whom it places upon pedestals, whom it admires and emulates, whom it calls heroes."

Professional athletes are powerful role models for American youth. Many authorities have looked to sport programs as a way of reducing juvenile delinquency. Youth sports are deeply rooted in our social and cultural heritage. A recent study estimated that almost half of 34 million American adolescents participated in non-school sports. In terms of attendance at sports events, corporate sponsorship of athletics, licensed sports product sales, and media coverage on television and radio, the magnitude of sport in our society has never been so dominant and pervasive - and its impact is growing.

One of the most disturbing trends in American sports is the increasing frequency and severity of violence. Many authorities in the field of violence prevention believe that the increasing acceptance of violence in sports creates a cultural climate that "spills over" and translates into greater violence in society.

Dr. Walker said, "Old myths die hard. North American teams that play with more violence continue to lose in international competition against European teams that play with more finesse."

He said, "There is a temptation experienced by all players and coaches when in a game situation to rely on the "crutch" of cheating (both violent and nonviolent) to make up for inadequate preparation and practice. And while the players and coaches who develop a habit of leaning on this "crutch" may have temporary short-term success from time to time, in the long-run, there is no short-cut to success."

"The reliance on the "crutch" of cheating only serves to weaken a team because the hard work of preparation and practice – which is the only true foundation for success in the long-run – is never done," Dr. Walker said.

"Coaches at the highest level of competition may wish to adjust their team policies and recruiting practices in order to benefit from the plausible strategic advantage of reducing violent player behavior," Dr. Walker said.
 
Awww Muffin Mikey less than 20 incidences in what 84 years-give it a rest-I can give you 20 examples of skill and sportsmanship in any game. There's a post here celebrating the sport why not post there instead of this feeble little cut and paste exercise. No Canadian ever denied that hockey is a tough sport-it's guys like you that never have and never will play the sport that try and besmirch the sport. I have the honour of shaking hands with a few hundred young hockey players every year-win or lose at the end of every game we line up. It takes character to play each other as hard as they do then shake hands at the end of it all. In fact when scouts call you about players their character is discussed as much as their skill level. In fact a good friend of mine just got called up to the Dub as a 16 year old-he's coached by one of the Sutter's as tough a hockey player as ever played. The phoned every one of his teachers for a character reference. If you want to be a hero and run down something you know nothing about I guess that's your problem.
 
The American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) has today called for reform in the National Hockey League (NHL) to establish zero-tolerance policies toward violent acts. Meaningful steps not only will protect NHL athletes, but also provide a responsible and positive model of sportsmanship. Based on this week's incident involving NHL's Todd Bertuzzi and Steve Moore, ACSM's sports medicine experts say the NHL must do more to protect its athletes and confront the negative effects on-ice fighting and violence has on youth sports, specifically youth hockey leagues.

ACSM, the world leader in the scientific and medical aspects of sports and exercise, has also voiced concerns over what it sees as an epidemic of violence in hockey, even at lower levels where these acts are penalized much more severely. Action by the NHL should result in greater respect for opposing teams and their players, zero tolerance for acts of retribution, stronger and more costly penalties for excessive and harmful play, and greater accountability for coaches and owners to control player behavior. Further, the NHL should take the additional positive step of enacting programs to promote respect and sportsmanship to younger athletes.

"Fighting is not an appropriate part of the game of hockey," said ACSM President-elect William O. Roberts, M.D. "Unfortunately, the NHL has systematically allowed fighting to become a part of the professional spectacle. This week's gruesome display demonstrates, once more, how extreme and uncontrolled the professional game can be within the current rules and officiating and culture. It's time to stop these muggings masquerading as sport."

"Sports bodies the world over have eliminated this problem by calling the rules the way they are in their rule books. This includes the successful governance of hockey at the lower levels of the game," said Andrew Pipe, M.D., a sports medicine physician specializing in ethics in sports. "Amateur and Olympic-style hockey reveals a spectacular, crisp, clean sport absent of the violence that often reveals itself on the professional ice." "Younger athletes often emulate what they see their heroes doing," said Roberts.

"What we don't want to see in youth sports is overly aggressive or unfair play because the professional athletes aren't aware of their impact. Those who govern the heroes of the sports world should act first to eradicate fighting and unnecessary violence."


ACSM stresses the positive role sports can play in society. Particularly for young people, sports offer an avenue for personal growth, teamwork, empowerment, and healthy minds and bodies. In addition to taking immediate steps to protect the health and safety of the NHL's players, there is a need for the NHL to re-establish a spirit of overall sportsmanship based on these more noble aspects of sports. This is important for the professional athletes, but even more so for youth -- tomorrow's collegiate and professional players. All of this would renew a spirit of sportsmanship in the NHL, but also go far to protect the health and safety of its players.

The American College of Sports Medicine is the largest sports medicine and exercise science organization in the world. More than 20,000 International, National, and Regional members are dedicated to advancing and integrating scientific research to provide educational and practical applications of exercise science and sports medicine.
 
Did the teacher give you a goild star for your cutting and pasteing. Give it a rest. I agree Simon was wrong. Now be a good little redneck and go watch some NASTARD-the hyperbole in that article you posted is quite frankly amusing. I could care less. I know we have the greatest sport in the world no amount of handwringing and wailing by our neighbors to the south can change that. A bad apple once in awhile doesn't spoil the whole bunch. What's the American colleges stand on steroids in the big three American sports-you want to expose something shameful take a run at that. Quit tilting at hockey windmills there Don Quixote or you might fall off your ash.
 
Islanders' Simon suspended for balance of regular season and Playoffs
NHL.com Mar 11, 2007, 9:35 AM EST



Minimum 25-game Ban Could Include Games At Start of 2007-08

NEW YORK - New York Islanders forward Chris Simon has been suspended, for the remainder of the 2006-07 regular season and the entirety of the Stanley Cup playoffs, for deliberately using his stick to injure New York Rangers forward Ryan Hollweg during the third period of Thursday night's game at Nassau Veterans' Memorial Coliseum.

Simon is suspended a minimum of 25 games, including Saturday night's game against Washington plus the 14 that remain in the 2006-07 regular season. If the Islanders do not qualify for the 2007 playoffs, or play fewer than 10 playoff games in the 2007 playoffs, Simon would serve additional games at the start of the 2007-08 regular season to satisfy the minimum term of the suspension.

"The National Hockey League will not accept the use of a stick in the manner and fashion in which Mr. Simon used his Thursday night," said Colin Campbell, NHL Senior Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations. "As a consequence of his actions, Mr. Simon has forfeited the privilege of playing in an NHL game again this season, regardless of how many games the Islanders ultimately play."

Based on his $1-million contract, which expires at the conclusion of the 2006-07 season, Simon forfeits a minimum of $80,213.90. The money goes to the Players' Emergency Assistance Fund.

The incident occurred at 13:29 of the third period. After receiving a hard check from Hollweg, Simon swung his stick and delivered a two-handed blow to Hollweg's upper body, causing a cut on Hollweg's chin. Simon was assessed a Match penalty.
 
Northern Rancher said:
I told you the league would deal with it sunshine. Now it's up to you to deal with it.

It's not up to me to deal with it. My position is solid. I wouldn't tolerate "Cheap Shots" whatsoever in any professional or amateur sport.

Will this suspension send a message to the younger folks that this type of behavior will/should not be tolerated?

If not, "Society" is the loser.
 

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