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Hockey. Violent? Nah!!!!

I'm starting to wonder if this was posted to make a valid point or to antagonise. Both NR and NN have gone out of thier way trying to explain the dynamics of hockey,both have coached high levels of hockey. Niether one of them condoned the Simon hit,NR said had it been one of his players that made that hit he would be dealt with...yet still saying its horribly violent....Mike your invited to come down and attend some games, proffessional and minor league you'll maybe get an understanding of the hit not hurt concept. Less then 20 on your list there Mike since 1922...do you have any idea just how many hockey games are played in a season?

I finally saw the hit,nope nada...was not a nice hit he should be dealt with I agree but this kind of stuff happens in all sports.I guess the face plant into the glass ticked him off.

I goggled football violence...ya theres some but the ones that stood out to me was the domestic violence apparently the NFL has a problam with,I don't know a nice well aligned body check makes more sence to me then going home and taking your anger out on the wife.
 
I would imagine Mrs. Greg that you might find some disturbing evidence of domestic violence in hockey as well, Bobby Hull would come to mind but gosh Football does have a real problem with off field crap (as does Baseketball for off court).. Baseball you can find incidences of Sammy Sosa hiting his wife/girlfriend over the head with a rum bottle and some old history on Bobby Cox that is not exactly flattering.. I don't know how it works when compared to society as large and that is probably the most relevant thing to look at. Last I checked NFL players were way above average for violence off the field (Could be because it is a game that requires a sort of, well as some ex players call it, a Neanderthal gene, could be roid rage or whatever... Doesn't matter, it is unacceptable.

I will freely admit that I don't watch Hockey as much as I used to, some of that has to do with the fact that my team BLOWS, and has for years... Worst ownership in professional sports as far as I am concerned, maybe tied wth the Bidwells down in Arizona... I do still watch playoff hockey and enjoy it a great deal although the game on TV pales when you compare it to being in the stadium.. I think the NHL has dealt with these incidences the best and the players seem to accept the verdits better than the other sports... The NBA tries but than the player tries and some inpartial arbitratoy basically castrates the comish and doesn't let them punish anyone.

My hockey playing was limited to a few pickup games and some pond hockey.. Heck, my skates even had my name on them... Bauer you see...


Taking a left turn for 2-3 hours is not a sport..
 
I'll put a southern flair to how much I value Mike's opinion.

"Frankly Scarlett I don't give a dam" . The coach never sent Simon out to do what he did-he got a dirty check from behind and had an adrenaline reaction to it. It's been dealt with-the greatest game on earth will go on.
 
Mrs. Greg, I suppose some of my posts appear to be antagonistic, and I apologize to all who take offense. That was not my intent.


I have been a sports enthusiast seems like forever and have noticed in the past several years a decline in teamwork and sportsmanship overall, especially since the salaries have escalated to ridiculous amounts.

I believe the sport organizers and franchise owners condone these levels of foul play out of greed and the need to sell tickets.

The attitudes of some of these pro players has trickled down to the college sports down here no doubt. It is evident every time I watch a college football game that some players are calling attention to themselves as a need for getting TV exposure with the desire to play pro football and get in the big bucks.

Some of the high school players I watched last fall had picked up some bad habits they have seen in college football. Where will it stop? If no one ever says anything it will not. By the way, I have spoken with our local high school football coach and he sees it too.

When I saw Simons' deal the other morning it just really struck me as being a cowardly and unecessary thing to do. I felt the same way when the Pro footbal player put his foot on the neck of his opponent last year. But since Canada happens to choose hockey as a national pastime, maybe more offense was taken than actually should have been.

I can see a deterioration in team sports play that is evolving into an individual "Watch Me" attitude and I don't like it.

Anger management and self control are important attributes that we must teach all youngsters. I promise you it will not hinder their athletic abilities nor lessen the competitive spirit. We should all be better off. I know they will be.

Everyone took those examples of Hockey violence I posted wrong too.

Those were just the ones that involved the judicial system. Pretty bad when you have to get the law involved in a sport, huh? :lol:

NR. I know you are joking about not giving a damn. If you didn't, you wouldn't have kept coming back for the abuse! :lol:
 
Wish you could skate-I good light you up in a good old sportmanslike manner-there's alot dirtier sports than hockey to sling arrows at. Funny thing is you chose not to coment on the hockey post about the great game I watched last night. Maybe if you condone sportsmanship you should embrace an exmple of it-or would you rather cut/paste and point fingers. Do you coach? I find a message is conveyed alot better by someone who is actually involved not a railbird or a sideline expert. Start the crusade at your local level get involved with the kids yourself.
 
Northern Rancher said:
and had an adrenaline reaction to it.
That brings to mind a thought that I had about violence or aggression in any sport. Professional athletes, and even minor leaguers are performing at the extreme of their ability under tremendous pressure from their opponents.

They do this in front of cameras that broadcast their games to thousands or millions iof fans (in the case of the Leafs, for instance :lol2:) When they lose it in the heat of the moment, their actions are on display for all to see.

Who of us here would care to have everyone watching us in our weakest moments? Sure not me, cuz I can be kinda quick tempered. I am not condoning their wrong actions, but this helps me keep it in perspective.
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Every sport has it's negative side.Baseball and football have steroid issues....basketball has huge ego issues on and off the court...Tennis players have thrown rackets at their opponents or referees...miami university players kick their opponets in the head wearing cleats in a bench brawl....many pitchers toss at others heads......One thing these all have in common were? They all were dealt with or are being dealt with...As was Simon......

hockey can at times be a violent game just as rugby is...the art of hitting is part of the game but it is done without the thought of hurting the other player..It is just used as a way to win back puck possession....fighting is a way to release tension,no one ever died in a hockey fight....and maybe with out the release that fighting brings to an entire team...then stick incidents would be rampant.....
 
To castigate hockey because a player misused a stick is all stupid. Simon did get hammered and was likely reacting in a daze, but there was nothing hockey about wacking a guy with a stick. The wack humiliates humanity not hockey, and Simon really seemed contrite.

Rose taking out a baseman was simply good baseball that got rough.

Tyson got jobbed in the ear bite. Holyfield was headbutting (which is far more lethal than ear biting) and should have been DQed. No reffing gets you jungle law (biting), so they scapegoated on Tyson.

What I don't understand about hockey fights is they always tieup with their arms leaving themselves open to an elbow break yet I've never seen one.
 
Hockey is a game of respect.You wont see a guy elbow break another cause fists are all they ever use,no kneeing or hair pulling and once one player knocks another to the ice the punching will stop.......There is a unwritten code which all players,coaches and fans know and respect...I suggest watching a junior hockey game to those who know little about hockey...It is there you will find the true identity of Canadian hockey.....Unfortunately the NHL is no longer the best display for the true game of Canadian hockey....IMHO....
 
Hey Mike, I see where the University of Alabama-Huntsville made it into the hockey March Madness. First time ever I think.
I checked the roster and there are a whole bunch of Alberta boys on the squad. All raised up on the kind of hockey NR is talking about.
Go Chargers Go!
Feeling any different now?
I'll have a shot of Havana Club. Oops, can't get that in the States.
 
Exactly there are alot of classy young guys playing the game-it's pretty cool watching an 8 year old trying to get his Mom to tie his necktie before he gets on the team bus. There's a dress code and rules of conduct at a very young age in organized hockey. The seeds of discipline and class are sown at a very young age in any sport.
 
Neil Waugh said:
Hey Mike, I see where the University of Alabama-Huntsville made it into the hockey March Madness. First time ever I think.
I checked the roster and there are a whole bunch of Alberta boys on the squad. All raised up on the kind of hockey NR is talking about.
Go Chargers Go!
Feeling any different now?
I'll have a shot of Havana Club. Oops, can't get that in the States.
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Neil, I'm having a really hard time understanding you people's mindset. :oops:

If the Univ. of Alabama had a hockey player that blatantly hit an opponent with a stick in the face and it was aired everyday on the news for almost a week now, I don't think you would have people down here condoning his actions and chalking it up to an accidental overdose of "adrenaline". It would have been a cowardly act had it happened here too.

While watching the clip of the Simon incident on ESPN yet again this morning for the umpteenth time, the league official said that the punishment "COULD" have been more harsh, had Bellwig?'s injuries been more severe. :???:

So what are they waiting for, someone to become totally incapacitated or possibly killed to really punish them?

These goons, in ALL sports, are not getting due punishment whether they be in Boxing, Hockey, Football, Baseball, or Water Polo because they are athletes with fans in the stands bringing their money to the franchise owners.

I am simply for cleaning up Pro sports and the trends that are trickling down through the ranks.

Simons just by chance, happens to be a Hockey player.

Don't take it so personal. :shock:
 
Mikey poo you've flogged this horse to death-give it a rest already. Like I said-do you coach-some of us are doing thingds to try and eliminate this sort of thing. Others-look in the mirror-cut and paste and complain. Nobody condoned Simon's action but I can understand how it might of happened-if you really played sports at a high level like you claim you would too. Maybe see if you can get on Oprah-I'm sure she'll mewl and cry along with you. If your serious about cleaning up sports start helping out at a grassroots level!!!
 
Hey Mike, you might want to drop down to the Huntsville arena on March 17. That's when your Huntsville Havoc of the Southern Professional Hockey League go marching in next.
It a belated St. Paddies night. A free mug of Killian Irish Red with the first 1,000 hockey fans.
Keep your eye on a couple of western ranch boys playing for the Havoc.
Justin Schmit from Strathmore, Alberta and Luke Phillips from Birken, B.C.
Between them they've run up 533 minutes in penalties so far this season.
You don't get PMs like that from getting whistled for hooking and holding. It appears both these boys like to drop the flippers some.
In a recent game against Jacksonville the zebras handed out 269 minutes when a hey-rube broke out. Both lines decided to dance.
I'm a little Rusty about Birken. But Strathmore is where they have the Wild Bull Race each year. Where a bunch of the yokals run around the rodeo grounds with a pen of buckin' bulls.
One year they set up a scarecrow of our former esteemed Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien.
Every time the big brahma bunted the stuffed Chretien in the ash the rednecks in the stands gave the bull a standing-O.
Justin lists his favorite food as baloney sandwiches.
When you play for the SPHL pays that's a good thing.
Goon hockey in Alabama, who'd-a-thunk-it.
 
If anyone is familiar with Larry Brown -he's perhaps the best hoops coach in the world, and got that way teaching that a team must be greater than the sum of its parts due to teamwork. Coach Brown really likes to watch hockey because it is the sport that uniquely rewards teams for team play rather than individual play.

My Hockey lesson is don't play with cold weather guys unless you can really skate. Learned that the hard way.
 
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Here's the foundation that 9-10 year olds play up to-doesn't look like a formula for the crazed beasts that Mike thinks we all are.
 
Maybe they should put the "Meadow Lake Pee Wee Allstars" on TV instead of the NHL games. :wink:

I would enjoy watching those young kids play for sure.

One more question. Do you think that those young players look up to the NHL players as role models?
 
The NHL player most kids try and copy are the Crosby's etc. That's why every practice ends with shootout so the kisds can strut their moves. As far as role models I think they look more to their immediate peers that are progressing. There's an open invitation for kids home from AAA or the 'Dub to come skate with the different age groups.
 
Posted by Patrick Hickey, Jr. under Post Game Ramblings , Isles Thoughts

No excuses.


That was absolutely deplorable.


If you have no idea what I was talking about, then all you need to know is this: Chris Simon crossed the line last night. All season, I've wanted Simon to step up his game physically, but I never expected to see him swing his stick like a baseball bat like that. Simon deserves to get suspended for his actions and despite the fact that a hit from behind from Ryan Hollweg started this whole mess, doing what he did was dead wrong.


I don't know how you guys felt, but that brought back some really horrible memories of when Pierre Turgeon was intentionally injured by Dale Hunter in 1993.


Last night, I understood how it felt for Rangers fans to see that happen to one of their players and I can say that I don't like the feeling one bit.


Regardless of the fact that I'm a life-long Islander fan, I will say this with the utmost amount of honesty:


I am disgusted.


You never, ever try and intentionally hurt the opposition, regardless of anything they do to you. Chris Simon, what you did last night was criminal. Yeah, sure this is hockey, but doing things like that can only hurt your team. To prove my point, Petr Prucha wound up scoring less than two minutes later and the Islanders got robbed of a goal of their own and lose the game as a result.


That's not coincidence or karma. If Simon doesn't mug Hollweg, the Isles wind up taking that game into OT and get a much needed point.


Now, with 15 games left, the Islanders find themselves only three points ahead of the Rangers. Giving up points like this can wind up costing the Islanders a playoff birth
 

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