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I Hate Socialists.....

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TimH

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Maybe the following rant should be in "political bull", but I am putting it here......sue me!!!
In Manitoba, where I live, we are "blessed with an "NDP"(New Democratic Party) government, elected for the most part by the tree huggers in the City of Winnipeg which outnumber us rural folk.
We are also blessed with a 7% sales tax on pretty much every thing. Farm-use items are supposed to be exempt.
I bought a 1998 Chev truck today and went to put insurance and registration on it......oh,ya...we are also blessed with socialist government auto insurance.....no other option.
Anyway, I got the truck for $8000.00. I go to put the insurance on it and the "average wholesale value",as determined by the govt. is $9800.00 and change. So guess what...... before I can have the insurance and license plates I have to pay the 7% sales tax on $9800.00, not on the $8000.00 that I actually paid..... never mind that "farm use" items are suppose to be tax exempt.
If you like paying taxes on money that never even existed,let alone changed hands, just move to Manitoba.
I've got a neighbor that is a closet commie and always votes NDP, I am seriously thinking about hangin' a lickin on him tomorrow,just out of principle!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
TimH said:
I've got a neighbor that is a closet commie and always votes NDP, I am seriously thinking about hangin' a lickin on him tomorrow,just out of principle!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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I hope you pound the crap out of em!
 
Tim ,we could have Alta. and Sask. get together and have a takeover of Manitoba..would that help you out?Yes I would definatly hang a lickin on your nieghbor..LOL.
 
Tim, I'd say pay only based on the actual cost. If the government thinks that it can tell you what you paid for it, then they should give the guy you bought it from the difference...

Sometimes all you have to do is call the insurance guys bluff. They sure like to bully people around. I'd say have the battle with the insurance company and government. I really can't believe that things have gotten this bad. There should be a way to fix the situation to your benefit.
 
Kathy said:
Tim, I'd say pay only based on the actual cost. If the government thinks that it can tell you what you paid for it, then they should give the guy you bought it from the difference...

Sometimes all you have to do is call the insurance guys bluff. They sure like to bully people around. I'd say have the battle with the insurance company and government. I really can't believe that things have gotten this bad. There should be a way to fix the situation to your benefit.
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This is actually something that I know about. LOL first time for everything I guess!
Anyway if you go to war with the public DMV your going to lose. Trust me they can really make things hard for you.
Hey Tim move to AB. Its private out here. They will kiss your butt for your bussiness. No lines, no bull$hit, they will even give you a calender :D
 
Kathy said:
Sometimes all you have to do is call the insurance guys bluff. They sure like to bully people around. I'd say have the battle with the insurance company and government. I really can't believe that things have gotten this bad. There should be a way to fix the situation to your benefit.
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Actually, its not the insurance guys bluff, and he doesn't have a choice in the matter, except to call his MLA and let him know that he's being charged provincial tax on a farm item (hmmmm, I wish Sask was PST free on farm items. We gotta pay it, as far as I know.)

I suspect whats happened is he's bought a vehicle that had never been licensed within Manitoba before. Then he's stuck paying PST on market value, versus actual value. Saskatchewan has the same idiotic rule. Yet, if you buy a vehicle that was licensed within Saskatchewan at any time, you don't have to worry about PST because its assumed to have been paid. If this vehicle has been licensed in Manitoba before, then you guys got some wicked bad PST laws, even worse than our own lousy ones.

The reasoning behind the paying PST on market value, versus purchase value is that "too many people were making phony bills of sale with lower purchase prices" to save on the PST. I think its BS to have to pay PST on an out-of-province vehicle in the first place.

Call your MLA and lodge a formal protest. At least have your voice heard. Who knows, you may be pleasantly surprised and your MLA may be able to swing something for you.

Rod
 
TimH said:
Maybe the following rant should be in "political bull", but I am putting it here......sue me!!!
In Manitoba, where I live, we are "blessed with an "NDP"(New Democratic Party) government, elected for the most part by the tree huggers in the City of Winnipeg which outnumber us rural folk.
We are also blessed with a 7% sales tax on pretty much every thing. Farm-use items are supposed to be exempt.
I bought a 1998 Chev truck today and went to put insurance and registration on it......oh,ya...we are also blessed with socialist government auto insurance.....no other option.
Anyway, I got the truck for $8000.00. I go to put the insurance on it and the "average wholesale value",as determined by the govt. is $9800.00 and change. So guess what...... before I can have the insurance and license plates I have to pay the 7% sales tax on $9800.00, not on the $8000.00 that I actually paid..... never mind that "farm use" items are suppose to be tax exempt.
If you like paying taxes on money that never even existed,let alone changed hands, just move to Manitoba.
I've got a neighbor that is a closet commie and always votes NDP, I am seriously thinking about hangin' a lickin on him tomorrow,just out of principle!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Huh.:?

If all that stuff is what makes socialism, the US must be socialist, too. :lol:

(BTW, even if the vehicle has been purchased and sold a half dozen times, every sale has to pay sales tax here. Though for us, sale price determines sales tax, but market value price determines the tax rate for every year after when you re-license)
 
RoperAB said:
Hey Tim move to AB. Its private out here. They will kiss your butt for your bussiness. No lines, no bull$hit, they will even give you a calender :D
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I lived in Ab. for 20 years. That is why this sales tax BS here is so hard to take!! :mad:

This vehicle has been sold 3 times that I know of. All in Manitoba.
Each time the government got 7% of the action.
Say it sold new in '98 for $35 grand, thats $2450 tax.
Then say it sold for $20 grand the next time, that's another $1400 tax.
And they just got me for another $689.50.
It adds up to$4539.50 the gov't has made off the sale of that truck.
We have some of the worst roads anywhere in the country so I doubt that any of those tax dollars went towards roads.
These "wealth re-distributing" commies funnel alot of these dollars, as well as fuel tax revenue, into bike paths and "public transit" in the city.
I say they should put a special sales tax on bicycles, jogging shoes, bus tickets and granola bars to pay for all that crap.Let the tree-huggers pay their own way for once. :evil: :evil: :wink:
 
Tim, in between sales, was the previous owner able to rebate back the difference? Like GST? If not, then its a blatant violation of the double taxation rules (yep, I know, we have double taxation all over the place) and should be dealt with by the taxpayer's association. Either that, or the insurer is trying something funny.

In Sask, PST gets paid once and thats it. You don't pay it again, unless its changed in the last couple years. But when you sell the good, you can't rebate back the difference either.

Rod
 
Tim I know where your coming from... damn NDP!! I think we should go back to horses but then we would have to pay the federal govt GST on the horses :lol:
 
I sure be all for Alberta and Saskatchewan joining together, no real reason they should have ever been separated!!!
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
Tim, in between sales, was the previous owner able to rebate back the difference? Like GST? If not, then its a blatant violation of the double taxation rules (yep, I know, we have double taxation all over the place) and should be dealt with by the taxpayer's association. Either that, or the insurer is trying something funny.

In Sask, PST gets paid once and thats it. You don't pay it again, unless its changed in the last couple years. But when you sell the good, you can't rebate back the difference either.

Rod
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Rod I think it has changed but I can't tell you for sure how it works.
 
Rod: Sask. charges PST on all vehicle sales,new and used!!! Has been that way for quite a while and the same arbitrary price list system as used by Manitoba! Maybe you're fortunate enough to only buy brand new vehicles and haven't had the pleasure of paying tax on used clunkers! :? :roll: :wink:
 
Actually I bought a used vehicle three years ago through a dealership and never had to pay PST. Come to think of it, I bought a used ATV 2 years ago never paid PST either, but maybe PST doesn't apply to RVs?

So when you sell the clunker, can you collect PST on it to make up for the difference? Or can us ag folks rebate back the PST if we have a PST number?

Rod
 
theHiredMansWife said:
TimH said:
Maybe the following rant should be in "political bull", but I am putting it here......sue me!!!
In Manitoba, where I live, we are "blessed with an "NDP"(New Democratic Party) government, elected for the most part by the tree huggers in the City of Winnipeg which outnumber us rural folk.
We are also blessed with a 7% sales tax on pretty much every thing. Farm-use items are supposed to be exempt.
I bought a 1998 Chev truck today and went to put insurance and registration on it......oh,ya...we are also blessed with socialist government auto insurance.....no other option.
Anyway, I got the truck for $8000.00. I go to put the insurance on it and the "average wholesale value",as determined by the govt. is $9800.00 and change. So guess what...... before I can have the insurance and license plates I have to pay the 7% sales tax on $9800.00, not on the $8000.00 that I actually paid..... never mind that "farm use" items are suppose to be tax exempt.
If you like paying taxes on money that never even existed,let alone changed hands, just move to Manitoba.
I've got a neighbor that is a closet commie and always votes NDP, I am seriously thinking about hangin' a lickin on him tomorrow,just out of principle!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Huh.:?

If all that stuff is what makes socialism, the US must be socialist, too. :lol:

(BTW, even if the vehicle has been purchased and sold a half dozen times, every sale has to pay sales tax here. Though for us, sale price determines sales tax, but market value price determines the tax rate for every year after when you re-license)
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Wrong again HMW. We in America dont pay tax on suggested sales price. We pay on the acutal price.
 
There are some states that base the fee you pay for your registration of your car based on the market value of your car... Illinois is not one but I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, that Montana had a graduated rate that you paid for your plates.. I seem to remember that from when i lived out there but I also vaguely remember them changin it. I only had too renw my plates out there once when I lived there so it has been a very, very long time. Ido remember in 99 it was a eck of a lot more to put plates on ym truck than it was in 2000.
 
IL Rancher said:
There are some states that base the fee you pay for your registration of your car based on the market value of your car... Illinois is not one but I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, that Montana had a graduated rate that you paid for your plates.. I seem to remember that from when i lived out there but I also vaguely remember them changin it. I only had too renw my plates out there once when I lived there so it has been a very, very long time. Ido remember in 99 it was a eck of a lot more to put plates on ym truck than it was in 2000.
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That would make me wrong again then. Arkansas at least is still a free nation.
 
Don't call yourself wrong yet.. My memory has been known to be shakey at best. :???:

Than again, in Montana I didn't have to pay sales tax on my truck, or anything else for that matter. still have that truck, although it keeps taking headbutss and body slams from the cows. The new truck has avoided that fate so far.
 

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