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USDA BSE tests are not food safety tests. They are specifically used to determine whether BSE exsists in the U.S. cattle population and if so, at what level. It is USDA's position that such testing is vaild only for a staistically based surveillance system. It is inportant to note that the removal of specified risk material (SRM's) is the single most important action that can be taken to protect public health. Current BSE tests are not accurate for animals that are not showing clinical signs of BSE. One estimate is that current test methodology would have a false negative test rate of 92% for clinically normal adults cattle because prions accumulation is lower than the detection threshold(i.e if 100 BSE- infected adult cattle were tested while clinically normal, 92% of them would test negative even though they were, in fact infected).
LETS have a LETTER sent TO USDA and tell then that this is 2005, not 1995 as technology betters itself every 16 weeks. HUMAN HEALTH condition 's and cattle BSE are connected.
 
Shelly said:
Excuse me, but isn't PETA in bed with R-calf? Didn't I read that somewhere that they were aligning themselves together on how "safe" Canadian beef was? If I'm wrong, I'm sorry for asking. If I'm right, well then Hat, you're not that well informed. Somebody, other than Hat, let me know one way or the other, please.


Check this out Shelly

R-CALF's strange bedfellows

Joe Roybal

Jul 1, 2004 12:00 PM


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R-CALF found itself in the unenviable position last month of having to defend anti-beef groups in the wake of widespread criticism of its May 26 press event in Washington, D.C. During that event, which R-CALF held in tandem with Ralph Nader's Public Citizen group, Carol Tucker Foreman's Consumer Federation Of America, and the Consumers Union, the four groups denounced USDA's handling of the BSE situation, questioned the safety of beef, and called for government hearings on the matter.


In a letter circulated a few days after the press event, and presumably alluding to an article in the May 28 issue of BEEF Cow-Calf Weekly that criticized R-CALF for holding hands with the anti-meat activist groups, R-CALF patriarch Leo McDonnell struck out against industry criticism of what he charitably called "consumer groups."

"Attacking our nation's (sic) largest consumer groups, such as the Consumer Federation of America and the Consumer Union, with these kinds of hateful undertones undermines the hundred of millions of dollars U.S. cattle producers have invested to improve demand and improve consumer relationships," McDonnell wrote in his open letter.

To R-CALF, it's apparently only acceptable to trash your own family in public. Yet, the logic of McDonnell's charge is so blatantly perverse, it frankly leaves us speechless.

For the record, here is a short bio on each of the groups whose sensibilities McDonnell is apparently so wary of offending:


The Consumer Federation of America (CFA) opposes irradiation for food safety and has pushed for the reduction of beef in the school lunch program. CFA's founder, Carol Tucker Foreman, is well known for her anti-beef rhetoric and efforts to stir up hysteria about the safety of our product.

Tucker Foreman oversaw food safety and nutrition programs for Pres. Jimmy Carter. The 1977 release of the "Dietary Goals for the U.S." served as a wellspring of negative sentiment against the beef industry, of which a key element of advice was "Decrease consumption of meat, and increase consumption of poultry and fish." As USDA assistant secretary, Tucker Foreman was one of the biggest proponents of the Dietary Goals.

The Consumers Union (CU) and CFA have been two of the leading groups pushing since Dec. 23, 2003, the message that beef is unsafe. CU and its leader, Michael Hansen, have also led the crusade against biotechnology and genetically modified organisms.

In fact, former U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop once referred to Hansen's rhetoric this way: "Unfortunately, a few fringe groups are using misleading statements and blatant falsehoods as part of a long-running campaign to scare consumers about a perfectly safe food … it is necessary to condemn these attacks … for what they are: baseless, manipulative and completely irresponsible."

Then there's Public Citizen (PC), which gains its supposed credibility through founder Ralph Nader. But PC is best known for its membership in the Global Safe Food Alliance, formed by such animal rights organizations as Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the Western Organization of Resource Councils, Farm Sanctuary, etc., to put out anti-meat messages. If you want more information on PC, just go to its Web site at www.citizen.org, check out the "Meatrix" at www.themeatrix.com or the report "Jungle 2000" at http://www.whistleblower.org/uploads/The%20Jungle%202000%20-.PDF.


It's unfortunate that R-CALF leadership doesn't attach a similar level of respect and sensitivity toward the beef industry and the hardworking folks who are a part of it by more carefully selecting its comrades-in-arms. Crawling into bed with those who have long and openly campaigned for the beef industry's demise just to promote your agenda doesn't benefit anyone but the anti-meat groups, which likely gained considerable credibility as "consumer groups" as a result of the act.

In R-CALF's Washington love fest with the anti-meat groups, only the beef industry got screwed
 
HAT why don't you check out this linkand tell what you think of the MEATRIX.

Then there's Public Citizen (PC), which gains its supposed credibility through founder Ralph Nader. But PC is best known for its membership in the Global Safe Food Alliance, formed by such animal rights organizations as Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, the Western Organization of Resource Councils, Farm Sanctuary, etc., to put out anti-meat messages. If you want more information on PC, just go to its Web site at www.citizen.org, check out the "Meatrix" at www.themeatrix.com or the report "Jungle 2000" at http://www.whistleblower.org/uploads/The%20Jungle%202000%20-.PDF.
 
Reader (the second) - Please be patient while waiting for Hat to answer. It seems he fell off of his daddies office chair while spinning around to ask mommy how old he is. Yes, and it will take a few minutes to dry the tears..... :cry2: :cry2:
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Reader (the second) - Please be patient while waiting for Hat to answer. It seems he fell off of his daddies office chair while spinning around to ask mommy how old he is. Yes, and it will take a few minutes to dry the tears..... :cry2: :cry2:


:lol2: :lol2:
 
Shelly said:
So frenchie, are you telling me I'm right? Or wrong? I seriously want to know.

No Shelly I,m not saying you are right... only that some of the other A.R or anti beef groups are just as bad
 
frenchie said:
Shelly said:
So frenchie, are you telling me I'm right? Or wrong? I seriously want to know.

No Shelly I,m not saying you are right... only that some of the other A.R or anti beef groups are just as bad

Thanks for an honest answer to my question, much appreciated. I stand corrected.
 
reader (the Second) said:
Hat said:
reader (the Second) said:
How old are you Hat?

25, I'm sorry if i've struck a nerve but this BSE BS has cost this industry to much money. There are much more serious health problems that need to be dealt with. As far as the knock on my age good for you Canucks, keep your sense of humor, your gonna need as long as we keep the border tied up. Good luck with your marketing plans. God Bless you all, and good luck, you'll need it.

Well Hat, my husband lived to 52, isn't that a coincident. Infected in surgery to remove a tumor at 28, so you may have a few years, given an incubation period of 10 - 20s, so why worry? I agree that there are more serious health issues but this is a doozy -- takes away memory, thinking (cognition), emotions, and all motor control, ability to walk, talk, swallow. You starve to death. All in 1 - 6 months from onset. Sound like fun yet? You really want to ignore this?

I sympathize with your loss but I don't believe this comment is called for:
so you may have a few years, given an incubation period of 10 - 20s, so why worry?

To insinuate that all beef eaters will die from vCJD is not only wrong but highly irresponsible. You fall into the R-calf fear mongering camp on that one.
 
I am niether dense nor unobservant. I suggest you write every post as if there are new readers on this site as there probably are. Not everyone knows what you wrote previously as not all are addicted to this site like some seem to be.

If someone uninformed read your post it would be easy to conclude that all strains of CJD are caused by beef consumption and after almost 20 years of research there is no evidence that currently supports this.

ONE person in N.America who spent time in the UK has died of vCJD which may or may not be associated with beef consumption. ONE!

Another fact is that the number of UK citizens contracting vCJD is DECLINING. If your presented theory of a longer incubation period is accurate they should be on the increase.
 
Fear mongering again. Have you forgotten your own postings. Have you forgotten Jonathan Simms. He is still alive. Pentosan sulfate stopped the progression of his vCJD. But his daddy had to go to Court to get permission to treat him with it.

You know, as well as I do, reader, that iatrogenic transmission is the most prevalent method of transmission - if not the only method. So called spontaneous cases are simply caused by exposure to metals over a long period of time, and their accummulation in our bodies. There is no incubation period.

I do not know of any rendering procedure that breaks down prion aggregates small enough to produce new seed metal-nanocrystals.

Apparently, it is a waste of time trying to bring new information to light with you. Science is advancing and some of you are sticking your heads in the sand.
 
Hat, you're wrong there, we're at the lowest point already, it's you who cannot afford one, after the hole R-calf has already dug! And it gets deeper everyday and everytime the R-calf leaders make a new statement!

The Canadian beef producers will be very resilent in their marketing and progress. It's going to take some time to build up our packing capacity and ship beef around the US, and not through it, but it will happen.

We're just hoping that R-calf discontinues bashing food safety when it comes to beef, before they decrease consumer confidence too much worldwide.
 
Hey Murgen,

I think your very right. The hole RCALF has dug is huge; it will make the beautiful Grand Canyon look small. Of course, every beef producer will suffer from their fear mongering.

If only the UK government hadn't swept under the rug, all the truth about what caused their BSE disaster. That was when the lies started.

Have you checked out the patent applications I posted under the subject "Wow Patent applications proves Mark Purdey right". This could be used to blow the lid off the whole "infectious prion theory". The elusive factor X has been identified, and it is metals.

Chow, or should I say meow!
 
:? Interesting how our Reader(the fear monguer) accused you "Kathy" of exploiting a family tradgedy. Is there IRONY in this METAL CONTAMINATION debate.
 
rkaiser said:
:? Interesting how our Reader(the fear monguer) accused you "Kathy" of exploiting a family tradgedy. Is there IRONY in this METAL CONTAMINATION debate.


The whole irony in the BSE issue is the absolute huge area of unknowns that are trying to be passed off as "sound science". The whole issue needs much more study and research before we make any major jumps in trade issues or implications of what is safe and what is not.....

The least we can do for the consumers of the world is to label the beef to the country of origin and let them decide on their own research and personal beliefs..........
 
OT: "The whole issue needs much more study and research before we make any major jumps in trade issues or implications of what is safe and what is not..... "

Translation: Let's keep the Canadian border closed to protect short term economic interests of U.S. cattle producers. If we have a domestic case of BSE, we will then have enough study and research.


~SH~
 

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