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Japanese Consumers Reach Out To U.S. Beef

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SH wrote: Why do you continue to be an advocate for bse testing when that is obviously not what Japanese consumers are now willing to buy?

When the exports to Japan reach the pre-BSE levels of 2003 you can make this statement. Until then it's just rhetoric.

In the meantime..........we have lost BILLIONS to the Aussies and Cargill.

I blame the losses on the USDA for making an incorrect call on this matter.

I just want my $175 per head back and the USDA to stop intruding on individual liberties.
 
SH, "Wrong! When consumers buy hormone free beef, they are buying hormone free. When consumers buy bse tested, AND THEY BELIEVE THIS MEANS BSE FREE, they are not getting BSE FREE. APPLES TO WATERMELONS.

You just said this very morning that consumers buy hormone free because they think it is safer. You're so twisted up you can't even remember what your stance was three hours ago! :lol: :lol:


Quote:
Sandbag: "How is BSE tested beef less safe?"

SH "By implying that it is bse free when it may not be. "

Hormone free implies it is safer (remember what you said why consumers buy it?) when it is not. There is no difference, SH. Your organic vs tested beef arguement has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Run along now and let the adults talk.
 
Mike: "When the exports to Japan reach the pre-BSE levels of 2003 you can make this statement. Until then it's just rhetoric."

The rhetoric is your empty claim that Japan wants tested beef. Actual Japanese purchases of non-tested beef trumps your empty claim.


Mike: "In the meantime..........we have lost BILLIONS to the Aussies and Cargill."

Which didn't have a damn thing to do with not testing.


Mike: "I blame the losses on the USDA for making an incorrect call on this matter."

USDA made the correct call. BSE TESTING that would actually detect bse prions if they were there is justified, consumer fraud like Creekstone planned is not.


Mike: "I just want my $175 per head back and the USDA to stop intruding on individual liberties."

Consumer fraud is not included in the list of individual liberties.


Sandbag: "You just said this very morning that consumers buy hormone free because they think it is safer. You're so twisted up you can't even remember what your stance was three hours ago!"

The only one who is twisted up is you comparing hormone free to consumer fraud.


Sandbag: "Hormone free implies it is safer (remember what you said why consumers buy it?) when it is not. There is no difference, SH."

Hormone free is not consumer fraud, bse free is! Big difference.

Your apples to melons comparison is wrong as always!


~SH~
 
SH, "Hormone free is not consumer fraud, bse free is! Big difference"

I see. So here is your arguement;

People buy BSE tested beef because they think it is safer. Check
People buy organic beef because they think it is safer Check

BSE tested beef is not safer than non tested beef. Check
Organic beef is not safer than non-organic beef. Check

People are getting frauded buying tested beef. Check
People are not getting frauded buying organic. :???:

What you're saying is that 1+2+3=6, but 3+2+1 does not =6.
 
Sandhusker said:
SH, "Hormone free is not consumer fraud, bse free is! Big difference"

I see. So here is your arguement;

People buy BSE tested beef because they think it is safer. Check
People buy organic beef because they think it is safer Check

BSE tested beef is not safer than non tested beef. Check
Organic beef is not safer than non-organic beef. Check

People are getting frauded buying tested beef. Check
People are not getting frauded buying organic. :???:

What you're saying is that 1+2+3=6, but 3+2+1 does not =6.


This is the typical liberal argument. Contradictions don't matter. The abiding absolute for the liberal is "I am always right."
 
Calm down, my friends. We can discuss this rationally.

There is evidence artificial growth hormones accumulate in edible parts of livestock. There is also some evidence these trace amounts affect humans eating the meat. If there are consumers who do not want to chance, it, then that is their right. There are other ways than outright bans such as the Europeans have done to ensure consumers get what they want. Our group, for example will test livers and label ("AGH Free") or not add that particular label depending upon test results.

There are tests which CAN detect PrPsc prions in live animals. One such test is likely to go before OIE for "validation" quite soon. Is it necessary to test every animal? Who knows? USDA and CFIA say "No", but it's not like their "science" is PI* free. If a test is available and it adds 20 cents per pound at the consumer level, will the consumers pay the extra? Some will, some won't.

As to Japan and US beef... Their government determined that most of their people would rather have every animal tested, so they do that. Apparently, some of their people are OK with untested U.S. raised beef. It may well have to do with it being 1/4 the price of home-grown product.

Yes, Aussie's are in there, too, but their product is not tested. They haven't reported a case, but that's not the same kind of guarantee as tested. There are many reports that U.S. beef is tastier and more tender than Australian. I don't know, but if it is, that and price would be why the Australians expect to lose 20-25% of the Japanese market they had built up by last year. Interesting (to me, anyway) they believe they can hang on to the majority.

Is there a chance of getting a variant TSE from U.S. or Canadian beef. Absolutely! Can the chance be lessened through testing? Yes, given the 'right' test. Using the Prionics or BioRad tests? Probably not. The manufacturers of the tests admit it is very unlikely to detect the PrPsc prion's presence in an animal less than three years after infection. That does not mean it is not there.

We play the odds every day, and people should be permitted to play with as much or as little protection as they wish. In all honesty, which is more likely - death from BSE or death from car accident coming home from Safeway with the beef in the back seat? I think we all know the answer to that one, but, hey... off we go to town.

Creekstone wants to enhance their offering with something they believe to be a marketing advantage. There are NO valid, logical reasons to deny them that right.

Will it destroy the market? Hardly.
Will consumers suddenly all want tested meat? Perhaps. I think probably, but so what? The test would be available to everyone.
Should testing be mandatory? To what end? The only people who might lobby for that are the companies supplying the tests.

On the other side of the fence why would testing every animal be so frightening to anyone?

Well, high-volume packers would have a problem because it takes about 48 hours and by then their product is at Safeway and paid for. It would really screw their process to have to hang on to carcasses for two days, AND keep track of which was which.

What if lots of BSE were found? Then there would be a problem. Yes, the market would drop drastically for untested meat. The bigger problem would be the liability of the USDA and CFIA who have been saying their testing catches all the cases. The lawsuits would (will?) make tobacco's problems look small - no government agency was devoted to assuring us our cigarette supply was safe to smoke.

Will 100% testing eventually arrive? Yes, well... maybe. If it were allowed tomorrow, only the consumer response would determine 100% testing. And the sector which has the least money, when faced with the choice: "Do I eat and maybe get BSE which will kill me in 20 years; or do I not eat and starve to death in the next few weeks?" will likely pick eating over starvation. (Or hunger or even unfulfilled cravings.)

Should we fight over all this? I think (and hope) not.
 
Bottom line:

Consumers are buying "bse tested beef" under the premise that "bse tested" means "bse free". "Bse tested" does not mean "bse free" with cattle under 24 months of age when tests are being used that would not detect prions in cattle under 24 months of age. To do so is consumer fraud and that is what the "blind leading the blind" Creekstone advocates are promoting here and that is wrong.

If Japanese consumers want tested beef and Creekstone can offer a valid test that is not consumer fraud, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with "fast buck artists" capitalizing on consumer fears and selling snake oil in the process.


jdst: "There is evidence artificial growth hormones accumulate in edible parts of livestock. There is also some evidence these trace amounts affect humans eating the meat. If there are consumers who do not want to chance, it, then that is their right."

Sandbag says "non organic beef is not safer than organic beef" so you can take that argument up with him.


OCM, I see your liberal conscience is still bothering you. Supporting all those "PLEASE GOVERNMENT, SAVE US FROM OURSELVES" government mandates because you dislike the free enterprise system so much. Yeh, keep telling yourself you're not a liberal. "PLEASE GOVERNMENT, MANDATE OUR FREEDOMS AWAY AND SAVE US FROM THE BIG LARGE EVIL CORPORATIONS". You're such a damn "liberal" hypocrite.


~SH~
 
SH, "Consumers are buying "bse tested beef" under the premise that "bse tested" means "bse free".

That's just your opinion. It is also your opinion (one that I happen to agree with) that people buy organic (hormone free) for the same reason.

SH, "Bse tested" does not mean "bse free"" Nobody has said that it is. Organic, according to you, also does not mean safer.

Sandbag says "non organic beef is not safer than organic beef" so you can take that argument up with him.

You said just yesterday that organic beef (hormone free) wasn't safer. Do I need to direct you to your own quote?

We're back to where we started. There is no difference between BSE testing and organic as far as sound science, consumer deception, whatever you want to call it. You're a USDA lemming, SH.
 
SH said:
Bottom line:

Consumers are buying "bse tested beef" under the premise that "bse tested" means "bse free". "Bse tested" does not mean "bse free" with cattle under 24 months of age when tests are being used that would not detect prions in cattle under 24 months of age. To do so is consumer fraud and that is what the "blind leading the blind" Creekstone advocates are promoting here and that is wrong.

If Japanese consumers want tested beef and Creekstone can offer a valid test that is not consumer fraud, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with "fast buck artists" capitalizing on consumer fears and selling snake oil in the process.

The real bottom line for Creekstone is that they wanted to provide USA beef to the Japanese consumer following the Japanese protocol of 100% BSE testing...how can it be defrauding the consumer when Creekstone is following the protocol of the country they are exporting to?????????????
You obviously don't understand the consuming public...the ones willing to pay a premium price for a product are smart enough to understand what they are paying a premium for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for you and Sandhusker, the number one reason the knowledgeable organic consumer pays a premium is for pesticide free.
 
RobertMac said:
SH said:
Bottom line:

Consumers are buying "bse tested beef" under the premise that "bse tested" means "bse free". "Bse tested" does not mean "bse free" with cattle under 24 months of age when tests are being used that would not detect prions in cattle under 24 months of age. To do so is consumer fraud and that is what the "blind leading the blind" Creekstone advocates are promoting here and that is wrong.

If Japanese consumers want tested beef and Creekstone can offer a valid test that is not consumer fraud, I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with "fast buck artists" capitalizing on consumer fears and selling snake oil in the process.

The real bottom line for Creekstone is that they wanted to provide USA beef to the Japanese consumer following the Japanese protocol of 100% BSE testing...how can it be defrauding the consumer when Creekstone is following the protocol of the country they are exporting to?????????????
You obviously don't understand the consuming public...the ones willing to pay a premium price for a product are smart enough to understand what they are paying a premium for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And for you and Sandhusker, the number one reason the knowledgeable organic consumer pays a premium is for pesticide free.


The government of Japan must be defrauding Japanese consumers. USDA to the rescue (along with ~SH~, of course).

I wish they were as concerned about US consumers.
 
Japan 06 US Beef Imports A Fraction Of Pre-Mad Cow Levels

Today 9/20/2006 9:22:00 AM


Japan 06 US Beef Imports A Fraction Of Pre-Mad Cow Levels



TOKYO (AP)--Japan is set to import 15,000 tons of U.S. beef in 2006, just a fraction of what it bought before a two-year hiatus over a mad cow scare, a trade group said Tuesday.



Philip Seng, president of the U.S. Meat Export Federation, told a press conference in central Tokyo he hoped the Japanese government would relax conditions on American beef imports.



Tokyo currently limits the trade to meat from cows aged 20 months or younger that are handled by a select list of U.S. meat exporters.



"Obviously, the United States and U.S. industry would prefer not to have the 20-month age limitation," Seng said.



He said the trade group would boost its campaign to draw consumers back to U.S. beef. Japan used to be the most lucrative market for U.S. beef exporters.



Though Tokyo eased its two-year blanket ban on U.S. beef in July, the lingering trade restrictions and a resulting supply crunch has meant only a trickle of U.S. beef has made it back into the country.



The strict checks required of U.S. meat allowed into Japan has meant higher costs for importers, which is also dampening trade, said Greg Hanes, USMEF's Japan director.



Japan's U.S. beef imports are expected to total 500 tons by the end of September and will likely grow to 15,000 tons by year's end, Seng said. That's still just 7.5% of the 200,000 tons valued at $1.4 billion that Japan imported in 2003 before the ban was imposed.



Source: Dow Jones Newswire
 

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