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Just for you gunslinger

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Sandbag: "The proof that I accepted was your $100. If there was no proof, why did [you] lose $100? Why are you questioning it now?"
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If Agman's data and the information I collected was proof enough to justify your taking the $100, why was it not proof enough to justify my original statement? See what a hypocrite you are? You pick and choose the information you want to believe. You represent what R-CULT is all about. You accepted Agman's statement without questioning it when it proved me wrong REGARDING CALENDAR YEAR 2004 but then you demand further proof when Agman's data proved me right DURING THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE BORDER WAS CLOSED.

What more proof does anyone need of what a hypocritical parasite you are?

What more proof does anyone need that you cannot prove that I lied?

You wouldn't accept anything that I presented as proof that I didn't lie but you would accept anything as proof that I did lie.

You are so pathetic!


Sandbag: "Why do you continue to divert from the fact that you can't prove your original statement, either? Why do you lie that you provided the proof when you didn't?"
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I provided the proof. You wouldn't accept it. All you had to do was call Tyson's office to confirm the information I presented was proof of my statement. You didn't want to know the truth because it's so important for a little packer blaming parasite like you to create the "illusion" that I lied. When Agman said I was right, you thanked him for his honesty but now you pretend like that never happened.

You're so pathetic!



~SH~
 
I heard a great quote on "The Colbert Report" this noon that fits you well, "I can't prove it, but I can say it". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
From Gopher Trappers Post -
Subsequent to an investigation into the source of this case, the U.S. resumed imports of boneless boxed beef from animals less than 30 months of age on September 1, 2003.

On November 4, 2003 USDA published a proposed rule seeking to designate Canada as a 'minimal-risk' country for BSE and seeking to permit the importation of fed and feeder cattle less than 30 months of age, as well as beef products from animals of all ages under certain conditions.

2 MONTHS!!!

WHOOOOPDI DO!

GOSH I GUESS YOU REALLY SHOWED ME DIDN'T YOU TOMMY?????

That's about as close to "simultaneously" as you're going to get.

Tell us Tommy, when did R-CULT start their legal proceedings to stop Canadian live cattle imports??????

Tell us Tommy, how long after R-CULT filed their injunction did the Canadian border stay closed?????

TELL US TOMMY!!!!!!

Let's see how long this dog hunts.


You're getting as slimy as the rest of the R-CULTers!


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RK: "Thank you Tommy."


For what Randy? Supporting an organization that kept you from your historic markets and gave Canadian packers the leverage to drop your prices or for supporting an oranization that said that your beef was "tainted" or "contaminated"???

Thanks for what Randy?

Wait until Tommy answers my questions before you pop your champagne corks.
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Two months you say. Two whooopdidoo do months you say. Why wasn't the border opened to live cattle at the same time as boxed beef? Whoopdidoo all right.

Keep trying to connect me to the dumbass side of Rcalf all you want Gopher man, everyone has their problems and the main problem with Rcalf is the notion that imports from Canada cause American ranchers harm.

Beyond that, the problems we face, and the games that are played are far beyond Rcalf.

Why was the border opened to boxed beef and not live cattle SH or Jason?

Tell us all again how the USDA feared the rath of Rcalf over live cattle but somehow was able to help the American system by opening the border to boxed beef?

Two months hey ----- What about almost a year and a half of excessive profits by American packers in Canada before the USDA even challenged Rcalf by trying to open the border to live cattle.

This border issue had nothing to do with Rcalf, except for their unacceptable behaviour attempting to bad mouth Canadian beef.

Forget the BSE crap folks, this issue has very little to do with BSE. It is all about taking advantage of any opportunity. Rcalf got caught up in a tangled web, and was used by the USDA as a scapegoat.

USDA closed the border due to BSE, USDA opened the border to boxed beef,and USDA kept the border closed to live cattle due to economics.
 
RK: "Why wasn't the border opened to live cattle at the same time as boxed beef?"
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There was only a two month delay to when Canadian live cattle imports would have resumed. That's when R-CULT started their legal proceedings to prevent that from happening.

Why don't you ask USDA instead of assuming it was some conspiracy by them?

You don't want to know the truth, that's why. YOU WANT TO BWAME!


RK: "Why was the border opened to boxed beef and not live cattle SH or Jason?"
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SO THE PACKERS COULD SCREW YOU!

R-CALF'S INJUNCTION WAS JUST A CONVENIENT EXCUSE!

AMI'S AMICUS BRIEF WAS JUST A SMOKESCREEN!

THEY PLANTED THE BSE IN CANADA SO THEY COULD BEND RANDY KAISER OVER THE BARREL???

There, feel better?

That's what you wanted to hear wasn't it?

Randy: "Hi, my name is Randy Kaiser"
PBCTA: "HI RANDY"
Randy: "I'm a packer blaming conspiracy theorist. I've tried to stop but I just can't help myself. Everyone is out to get me. The USDA is plotting against me. The large packers are plotting against me. Anyone who doesn't join me is against me. POOR ME!"


Why don't you ask USDA??? Because you don't want to know the truth, that's why.


RK: "Tell us all again how the USDA feared the rath of Rcalf over live cattle but somehow was able to help the American system by opening the border to boxed beef?"
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Feared the rath of R-CULT?

Where did you dream that one up? Drinking again?

You just read how it transpired. What you didn't read is when R-CULT filed their injunction. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???? USDA TO EXPORT DESPITE A COURT ORDER STOPPING IT??? WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC????

I'll tell you what Randy. R-CULT should make you an honorary member for happily allowing them to stab you in the back while you join them in blaming USDA and the packers. One or two meetings and they'll have you convinced your beef is "high risk" and "contaminated" while they brainwash you with packer blame and USDA blame.

You damn packer blamers are all the same regardless where you are from. Your emotions run in overdrive so badly that you can't even reason.


RK: "What about almost a year and a half of excessive profits by American packers in Canada before the USDA even challenged Rcalf by trying to open the border to live cattle."
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Thank R-CULT FOR THAT! They filed the injunction nobody else did.

I'll tell you what a complete fool you are. Sandbag is just loving this. You sit here and argue with me while I am the one who outwardly opposed R-CULT's injunction to stop Canadian imports. You join hands with fellow packer blamers while they sent your industry into economic turmoil AND YOU ARGUE WITH ME. You're completely out of your mind.


RK: "This border issue had nothing to do with Rcalf, except for their unacceptable behaviour attempting to bad mouth Canadian beef."
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HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH R-CULT???

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK FILED THE INJUNCTION TO STOP CANADIAN IMPORTS?????


RK: "Forget the BSE crap folks, this issue has very little to do with BSE. It is all about taking advantage of any opportunity. Rcalf got caught up in a tangled web, and was used by the USDA as a scapegoat."
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WHAT?????????????????????????

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I AM READING?????

R-CULT calls your beef "HIGH RISK", they call your beef "CONTAMINATED", they claim you are still "SLAUGHTERING DOWNER COWS", they file an injunction to stop Canadian imports AND YOU SAY THEY GOT CAUGHT IN A TANGLED WEB AND WERE USED BY USDA AS A "SCAPEGOAT"??????????????????????

THEY WOVE THE DAMN WEB! THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORUNITY. THEY FILED THE INJUNCTION! You are absolutely crazy!

You're a hopeless case Randy Kaiser. Go seek therapy!



RK: "USDA closed the border due to BSE, USDA opened the border to boxed beef,and USDA kept the border closed to live cattle due to economics."
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USDA kept the border closed BECAUSE THERE WAS A DAMN COURT INJUNCTION TO STOP IT YOU FOOL!




~SH~
 
Don't try too hard SH, I love it when you flip your lid.

You are such a dope. If I am to be an honorary Rcalf member SH, you should be their honorary mascot. A fat little gopher suit and the scare crows brain.

Sit down and think about this for a moment SH, before you blow a gasket.

The border opened to boxed beef on Sept. 1 2003. It did not open to live cattle at that time. Why not? Rcalf was not threatening the all powerful USDA at that time were they? Why did the USDA challenge the power of Rcalf and open the border to boxed beef? Please, please, don't bring the BSE thing into this for a moment.

Rcalf had no power, that's why. The same amount of power that only held things up for about four months in 2005. Rcalf and their emotional ash backward protectionist theorist simply thought that they had an opportunity too.

There was no conspiracy SH. Relax. It was only about doing the best that they could for the interests that they represent.

The USDA represents America right? The USDA represented American interests by opening the border to boxed beef. They could have opened to live cattle at the same time, but that would have simply helped Canadian interests.

I hope you have some whiskey at home there SH. Your Bolding and Capitalizing is likely generating a manic super hero phase that may need some calming down. 8)
 
RK: "You are such a dope."
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Why thank you!


RK: "The border opened to boxed beef on Sept. 1 2003. It did not open to live cattle at that time. Why not? Rcalf was not threatening the all powerful USDA at that time were they? Why did the USDA challenge the power of Rcalf and open the border to boxed beef?"
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R-CALF was not concerned about boxed beef, they were concerned about live cattle. They feared Canadian live cattle, not Canadian boxed beef.


RK: "Rcalf and their emotional ash backward protectionist theorist simply thought that they had an opportunity too."
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Whew! You gotta stop scaring me like that. For awhile there I thought you were actually serious about this, "the border issue had nothing to do with R-CALF" and "R-CALF was used by USDA as a scapegoat" nonsense. I'm releived to know that you were just goshing me and not really that damn stupid. Here, you can have your Canadian citizenship back. "OH CANADA, WE GIVE YOU RANDY BACK"


RK : "The USDA represents America right? The USDA represented American interests by opening the border to boxed beef. They could have opened to live cattle at the same time, but that would have simply helped Canadian interests."
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They had planned to open the border to live cattle shortly after boxed beef but R-CULT's injunction stopped it. Yes it was political. Yes it was motivated by a false perception of economics but it was motivated by R-CULT not the USDA.

Stop and think about this Randy. Consumers in the U.S. outvote producers by 98% to 2%. Who do you think USDA is more responsible to? The consumer or the producer? The consumers benefit from Canadian beef if it's deemed safe. USDA knew it was safe but R-CULT's injunction claiming it wasn't safe muddied your waters. Nobody but R-CULT claimed your beef was "contaminated" and "high risk".

I almost completely gave up on you with that last post. Don't do that to me. I like to believe that most Canadian producers are smarter than that.


~SH~
 
Gopher trapper - the new Rcalf spokesman says
R-CALF was not concerned about boxed beef, they were concerned about live cattle. They feared Canadian live cattle, not Canadian boxed beef.
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A calm and Cool SH says -
Stop and think about this Randy. Consumers in the U.S. outvote producers by 98% to 2%. Who do you think USDA is more responsible to? The consumer or the producer? The consumers benefit from Canadian beef if it's deemed safe.
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The USDA somehow convinced the American consumer that beef from American plants in Canada was safe but not cattle coming across the border and killed in American plants. :lol: :lol:

You are certainly entertaining me tonight SH.
 
You are absolutely hopeless. I thought Hayseed was bad. R-CALF filed a court injunction that stopped the importation of live cattle. There was nothing in their court injunction about boxed beef. What is so damn difficult to understand about that? USDA could not break the law and ignore the injunction. THIS WAS A LEGAL INJUNCTION. Do you know what an injunction is? Do you know what it means? You can't possibly be this dense can you?



~SH~
 
SH you need to go back and read Tommies post.USDA proposed rule change on Nov.4 2003 issued final ruling on Dec. 29,2004
R-CALF filed injunction March of 2005
way more than 2 months
 
Scott you conviently left out part of the timeline I posted to suit your purpose.

On November 4, 2003 USDA published a proposed rule seeking to designate Canada as a 'minimal-risk' country for BSE and seeking to permit the importation of fed and feeder cattle less than 30 months of age, as well as beef products from animals of all ages under certain conditions.
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The rest of it says.
After reviewing more than 3,700 comments received on the proposed rule, USDA announced the publication of the final rule pertaining to this matter on December 29, 2004.
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That means they took comments from the public on opening the border before they made the final rule.
Do you understand what proposed means Scott??

SH...2 MONTHS!!!

WHOOOOPDI DO!

GOSH I GUESS YOU REALLY SHOWED ME DIDN'T YOU TOMMY?????

That's about as close to "simultaneously" as you're going to get.

You are grasping for straws Scott.

SH...Tell us Tommy, when did R-CULT start their legal proceedings to stop Canadian live cattle imports??????
After the final rule.

SH...Tell us Tommy, how long after R-CULT filed their injunction did the Canadian border stay closed?????
Four months.

SH...TELL US TOMMY!!!!!!
Again, four months.
 
Tommy,

As you posted. The border was closed in September of 2003.


On November 4, 2003 USDA published a proposed rule seeking to designate Canada as a 'minimal-risk' country for BSE and seeking to permit the importation of fed and feeder cattle less than 30 months of age, as well as beef products from animals of all ages under certain conditions.
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R-CULT's efforts to stop the importation of live cattle started immediately following USDA's announcement to open the border to live cattle imports?

Are you really going to try to pretend that this didn't happen Tommy?

When did R-CALF make their FIRST appearance in court to stop Canadian live cattle imports Tommy? When was it?

R-CULT claims they were responsible for keeping the Canadian border closed for as long as they did? Are you saying that R-CULT lied about that TOO?

Who do you really think you are kidding?



~SH~
 
SH...R-CULT's efforts to stop the importation of live cattle started immediately following USDA's announcement to open the border to live cattle imports?

Scott are you telling us that if it had not been for R-CALF the border would have been open to live cattle under thirty months before March 7, 2005? If you are saying that provide the proof to back your statement. I have shown you what the USDA timeline was. Provide proof to back your statement. I am sure you can as you know everything and whatever you say is nothing but the truth.
 
Listen closely Gopher Trapper.

Rcalf did not close the border on May 20th, 2003.

Rcalf did not stop the USDA from opening the border to live cattle on the same day that the USDA opened the border to boxed beef.

Blame Rcalf all you want Gopher Trapper. They had nothing to do with nothing until after the fact. Then "YES" Rcalf worked at stopping live cattle (in less tha respectable ways). The only time that their legal action took effect was in March of 2005. The rest of the TIME was USDA TIME.
 
T: "Scott are you telling us that if it had not been for R-CALF the border would have been open to live cattle under thirty months before March 7, 2005?"
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Yes!

T: "If you are saying that provide the proof to back your statement."
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You already provided it Tommy:

On November 4, 2003 USDA published a proposed rule seeking to designate Canada as a 'minimal-risk' country for BSE and seeking to permit the importation of fed and feeder cattle less than 30 months of age, as well as beef products from animals of all ages under certain conditions.
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How can it be any clearer?


Tommy,

Why didn't you answer the following questions regarding the information you didn't provide?

1. When did R-CALF make their FIRST appearance in court to stop Canadian live cattle imports Tommy? When was it?

2. R-CULT claims they were responsible for keeping the Canadian border closed for as long as they did? Are you saying that R-CULT lied about that TOO?

Answer the questions please.



~SH~
 

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