New Bull

[Anonymous]

Well i went at looked at some bulls. To windy to do anything else. The Hero bull was framier then i thougth and not much volume.The one OCC Magnum bull is great and probably be the sale topper. Maybe to pricey . The other OCC Magnum bull is nice and out of a older cow but not quite the bull the other is.Their were 2 Sitz traveler bulls and one just made the sale on scrotal and the other didn't make the sale. One bull that was quite impressive was a Apex Stockman 061. Any thoughts? He was thick and deep .

You can veiw some of the bull at [email protected]


Check out lots 70 and 86

I couldn't get the site to come up...Apex has some good bulls- but after looking up Apex Stockman 061, he's not something I personally would use-- mainly because of the high BW EPD- + 5.9, lowing calving ease- 0, and it appears he puts a lot of height in his progeny with a + .9 MH......

 

[Faster horses]

Yep, on the Stockmans, OT. Big birthweights and in there pretty good and they are sure bigger framed cattle than we want. Is it McCrea's that have Stockman's, up there by you OT? Or who is it?

I see you thought the same as me, BMR, the 2418 lack some volume. I thought at one time they were what we were looking for, but changed my mind. Does anyone up there have any Right Times, or Right Time 338's?
I know he has EXT in the pedigree, but all the Right Times are pretty gentle for some reason. They are borderline too big for us but we have used some and they are nice cattle. IMO.

Wish I could get the site to come up. Will try typing it in.

 

[Anonymous]

Yep, on the Stockmans, OT. Big birthweights and in there pretty good and they are sure bigger framed cattle than we want. Is it McCrea's that have Stockman's, up there by you OT? Or who is it?

I see you thought the same as me, BMR, the 2418 lack some volume. I thought at one time they were what we were looking for, but changed my mind. Does anyone up there have any Right Times, or Right Time 338's?
I know he has EXT in the pedigree, but all the Right Times are pretty gentle for some reason. They are borderline too big for us but we have used some and they are nice cattle. IMO.

Wish I could get the site to come up. Will try typing it in.

Yeah- Brent and Big Dry Angus has a lot of Stockman breeding...They raise some great cattle-- but have quite a bit of frame....I see where ABS is really promoting up that Directive bull they now co-own with Big Dry....Their sale is coming up April 20th...

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Yep, on the Stockmans, OT. Big birthweights and in there pretty good and they are sure bigger framed cattle than we want. Is it McCrea's that have Stockman's, up there by you OT? Or who is it?

I see you thought the same as me, BMR, the 2418 lack some volume. I thought at one time they were what we were looking for, but changed my mind. Does anyone up there have any Right Times, or Right Time 338's?
I know he has EXT in the pedigree, but all the Right Times are pretty gentle for some reason. They are borderline too big for us but we have used some and they are nice cattle. IMO.

Wish I could get the site to come up. Will try typing it in.

Yeah- Brent and Big Dry Angus has a lot of Stockman breeding...They raise some great cattle-- but have quite a bit of frame....I see where ABS is really promoting up that Directive bull they now co-own with Big Dry....Their sale is coming up April 20th...

I have stayed away from Stockman bull because of the and that Stockman 365 was very loose sheathed. I trust these people to do things right and if they say a calf weighed something thats what it weighed. The lot 86 bull weighed 83 pounds and he is out of a home raised son of Apex Stockman. They are useing him on their Hfrs. But they do like to deal with more birth weight then I do. When I go to Merits I find the more I look the more confused cause they have so many very good bulls I have been buying just from them and multipy the good bulls on my own PB cows so I have to keep looking at what they have that is a little different.
I already use a Scotch cap , Alliance and Advantage sons. and had 2 sons off Ebon Hill Equalizer.



OT try www.meritcattleco.com I posted the E-Mail before by mistake. It should go now.

 

[Faster horses]

BMR, I took a look. Here are my thoughts and I am still learning like everyone else. The genetic deal is not an easy one to master.


They sure are good-looking bulls. The 70 bull does not have the phenotype number 86 does, but for what we are looking for I like
70. He has a lot of volume. He has more performance in a moderate package too. I guess it depends on what you are seeking. I have no
knowledge of the dams side on either pedigree. I do like the YW
on the bulls, neither are out of whack. (I don't get these 80+ YW.
They won't work in our country, IMO, because they make for big cows.)

I think it was #86 that had 11 on milk. If you have enough milk in your cows that won't hurt you. If you want to add milk, you probably want to think again about that bull. In my opinion, too much milk is more of a detriment in range conditions as you have~judging on your comments~than moderate milking ability. Lots of milk comes at a high cost in range country.

One more little thing, find out how old the dams are. That way you know how much the weaning weight EPD's have been adjusted. I try to look for a bull out of a proven cow, but can't always get that done. I wish the breeders would put the age of the dam in the catalog. That adjustment really changes the numbers, IMO. I know why they do it, or justify doing it, but I still want to know the actuals.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm probably not the best judge of bulls--My biggest thing lately is looking for some that will hold down frame creep on heifers- same as FH.... I try to use EPD's and AAA info somewhat- but go a whole lot still on what a trusted breeder tells me...

Much of my decision is made on looking at or knowing the cows...I usually pick a bull from a cowherd that looks and acts the way I want my heifers to look...That was one of the things that impressed me of Funks bulls- good looking heavy Shoshone influenced quiet cows... The D & L Angus bulls I've been getting are much the same- owned by an old friend that I've helped work his cows for 40 years- and they run on pasture next to mine, so you can see what they do in a similar situation....The Eayrs bulls, where I picked up the 6807 bred one last year have been known as moderate framed, easy calvers for years...I get around to a lot of places working with their cattle and attend a lot of weekly auction sales so I get to see a lot of the cowherds...Some I won't buy from because you can see from the old cows they sell that they are way too big framed for me-- there is another herd that is known for the fact that every cow or bull coming thru the yards will be on the fight...

I was at a sale last week where a Gelbvieh breeder sold some BIG bred heifers-- I think the main lot weighed 1250 lbs-- one weighed 1335 lbs- these were 2 year old first calf heifers- tall as a horse already...Can you imagine what they'll eat when they get growed up :???: ....

 

[Jinglebob]

I'm probably not the best judge of bulls--My biggest thing lately is looking for some that will hold down frame creep on heifers- same as FH.... I try to use EPD's and AAA info somewhat- but go a whole lot still on what a trusted breeder tells me...

Much of my decision is made on looking at or knowing the cows...I usually pick a bull from a cowherd that looks and acts the way I want my heifers to look...That was one of the things that impressed me of Funks bulls- good looking heavy Shoshone influenced quiet cows... The D & L Angus bulls I've been getting are much the same- owned by an old friend that I've helped work his cows for 40 years- and they run on pasture next to mine, so you can see what they do in a similar situation....The Eayrs bulls, where I picked up the 6807 bred one last year have been known as moderate framed, easy calvers for years...I get around to a lot of places working with their cattle and attend a lot of weekly auction sales so I get to see a lot of the cowherds...Some I won't buy from because you can see from the old cows they sell that they are way too big framed for me-- there is another herd that is known for the fact that every cow or bull coming thru the yards will be on the fight...

I was at a sale last week where a Gelbvieh breeder sold some BIG bred heifers-- I think the main lot weighed 1250 lbs-- one weighed 1335 lbs- these were 2 year old first calf heifers- tall as a horse already...Can you imagine what they'll eat when they get growed up :???: ....

I agree with you about the size of these cattle. But the guy I run yearlings for, comes from Iowa, and it doesn't cost him much to winter and the grass don't have the punch that we do, so he wants great big cows. I guess if it suits him, it's fine with me.

If I could get 1000 pound cows that wean off 1/2 their body weight, I'd be happy.

I have seriously considered going to corriente's as the ones I've been around are small and efficient. And I know that their calves sure won't top the market, in the fall, but if I'm selling all of their offspring right here on the ranch as fat beef, I guess their color and weaning weights don't really matter to me.

Different strokes for different folks.

Any of you seen the article that showed that weaning weights have noything to do with profitability? I don't remember where I seen it, but it sure was interesting reading.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

JB I think it is the pounds weaned off the ranch rather then individual cows that is more important coupled with the overhead costs. I could raise bigger calves but run fewer cows and do more work but I guess that is why we talk Holistic management. We have to look at the ranch and our lives as a whole to see what works for us. From what you have posted to us on ranchers wether you know it or not you look to be practicing Holistic management. You enjoy ranching you have time to do your saddlemaking and go to poetry gathering. Try doing that calving out a bunch of cows in cold weather . Making tons of hay and bedding cattle all winter.

 

[Jinglebob]

JB I think it is the pounds weaned off the ranch rather then individual cows that is more important coupled with the overhead costs. I could raise bigger calves but run fewer cows and do more work but I guess that is why we talk Holistic management. We have to look at the ranch and our lives as a whole to see what works for us. From what you have posted to us on ranchers wether you know it or not you look to be practicing Holistic management. You enjoy ranching you have time to do your saddlemaking and go to poetry gathering. Try doing that calving out a bunch of cows in cold weather . Making tons of hay and bedding cattle all winter.

Yup, I do know I am practicing holistic management. As I can't afford to get bigger at this time, I have to use what I've got, better.

As I was growing up we did the "calve in winter, feed hay all winter", deal for quite a few years. And as things change, I may go back that direction. Right now, it don't pencil out for me.

Seems to me, I should let those who are more efficient at certain things, do them. I can't efficiently raise corn, or wheat or even hay. I can efficiently raise grass.

Then I just have to find a way to market the grass I have. Lately, it's been runnin' yearlings for other people, while slowly trying to build my own little herd up, without borrowing money to pay for my cattle. It's kind'a slow and most wouldn't like my cattle, but they suit me.

Hey, if your going to run cheap cows, they might as well be pretty! :wink:

When I asked Soapweed why he did what he does, he gave me a well thought out and good expanation. I admire that he did that. He didn't chew me out for asking or make fun of me for not knowing why he did what he does, as far as ranching.

Too many do what they do, because thats what grampa did or dad did. It might be the best way to do it, but if you don't pick your head up and look around, how will you know if there is a better or even worse way, to do something?

That is what I like about this site, I get to see and hear how a lot of other people in my business, do what they do. But sometimes, if you ask them why they do it, they get very defensive. Maybe it's just the way I ask, but I'm kind of a straight forward person. If I want to know something, I ask. I don't think there are any stupid questions. Some maybe ought not be asked, buuuttttt............ :wink:

I feel privledged, so much of the time while reading here, to have gotten to kind of know , so many different and interesting people.

I find it interesting, that no matter where we live or how we go about so many different kinds of things in this business, so many of us do so many things the same way and so many of us do so many things in different ways. People are funny critters! :wink:

 

[Jinglebob]

JB I think it is the pounds weaned off the ranch rather then individual cows that is more important coupled with the overhead costs.

I think the package that the pounds are in, makes a difference also. Smaller packages at lower weight, usually brings more per pound. I'd rather sell a whole bunch of smaller packages that bring more per pound, as I can run a lot more of those packages. :wink:

Besides, if I lose one small package, it doesn't hurt as much as losing a great big package! :lol:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

JB I think it is the pounds weaned off the ranch rather then individual cows that is more important coupled with the overhead costs.

I think the package that the pounds are in, makes a difference also. Smaller packages at lower weight, usually brings more per pound. I'd rather sell a whole bunch of smaller packages that bring more per pound, as I can run a lot more of those packages. :wink:

Besides, if I lose one small package, it doesn't hurt as much as losing a great big package! :lol:

Depends if that small package comes wrapped in a big box or if the bigger package comes wrapped in a smaller box. :???: :wink: :lol:

 

[Jinglebob]

Oh no it don't! :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

Jinglebob

Different strokes for different folks.

I agree.....I'll never knock someones cattle because if they work for them- thats great....Everybody is set up with different marketing circumstances and range conditions......They just might not be what I want......

I think that is another good way to look for seedstock-- buying them from an outfit that operates much like you do yourself and that has been around for years and made them work...

 

[Northern Rancher]

Well on Monday I got my Hereford bull bought-I've looked for years for the right one and I'm pretty sure I found him. His mother is totally sound in feet and udder and he's a calving ease Horned bull which are rarer than hen's teeth. I used him last year as did the Breeder-he's heading straight to the stud to get a bank of semen drawn. I have alot of A'I' customers want to use him on their Angus cows. You better use him BMR and sell me the baldies lol.

 

[Denny]

Well on Monday I got my Hereford bull bought-I've looked for years for the right one and I'm pretty sure I found him. His mother is totally sound in feet and udder and he's a calving ease Horned bull which are rarer than hen's teeth. I used him last year as did the Breeder-he's heading straight to the stud to get a bank of semen drawn. I have alot of A'I' customers want to use him on their Angus cows. You better use him BMR and sell me the baldies lol.

So can you ship some semen south???I have a hand full of red baldy cows I am thinking of breeding to a horned hereford.Or are there any good ones in the AI studs???

 

[Northern Rancher]

How soon do you need it-I'll be putting up exportable semen on him-the reason I bought him was the A.I. studs don't have a calving ease cowmaker type of Horned Hereford bull.

 

[Hereford76]

35N At 2 years of age

35N As a yearling in stud

9806 in his work clothes

10J - the best heifer bull I've ever used.

Hey guys I got US semen on these horned hereford bulls.

 

[Faster horses]

WOW!! That is one nice bull!!! Tell us more!

Oops! Just came back to this and there is more than one bull there!

So, WOW! Those are all nice bulls!

 

[Hereford76]

any specifics you'd like to know. I have most of the info on these bulls on my website - www.ngrbulls.com. I can also give you links to their info on the AHA website.

 

[Hereford76]

I have a question for anyone listening. Is it appropriate to promote your own cattle on this forum?