~SH~ said:Guest: "The only problem I invision is that no matter how much is raised, it still can't compete with the really BIG money that has swayed the Buszcszcszchhh Whacker to sell out the American cattleman."
The "AMERICAN" cattleman?
President Bush hasn't even sold out the U.S. cattlemen, he's simply smart enough to realize that we can't expect to export when we are unwillling to import and President Bush will honor our trade agreement with Canada because he can see this issue clearer than most "isolationists" can.
He's also not so ignorant as to believe the R-CALF lie that Canadian beef is contaminated when they are taking the exact same BSE precautionary measures that we have and in some areas have surpassed us.
~SH~ said:Sandhusker: "Is he smart enough to realize that any country that does not want Canadian product will not take ours since we can't seem to keep beef seperated?"
SH, "What countries are those Sandhusker??"
Any country that is not accepting Canadian beef - take your pick.
SH,"We can't seem to keep beef seperated because the r-calf hypocrites didn't want to be burdened with traceback, remember? "
I've asked you time and time again to post your information where R-CALF said that.
SH, "Point the finger at your flip flopping organization."
That's laughable. Compare current NCBA policy to policy a few years ago, or even last month.
SH, "To your claim, Korea said they were unwilling to take our product if we were unwilling to take Canada's cattle. They know are industries are not seperated and they know we had a BSE positive within our boundaries."
So you say, I've never heard that from anybody but you.
Sandhusker: "You can not say that Canadian beef is not contaminated to a certain degree - they have had 4 cases in their native herd."
SH, "BULL ROAR! I can and will say Canadian beef is not contaminated because it's a fact. SRMs have been removed and the BSE positives eliminated from the food chain. What does BSE positive cows born before or shortly after the feed ban, that were removed from the system, have to do with contaminated beef from UTM cattle with SRM's removed born since the feed ban???? Not a damn thing, that's what! Go ahead, answer the question and bury yourself in the process. You couldn't defend R-CALF's "contaminated Canadian beef" lie on a bet."
So you're saying that prions have never been found anywhere other than SRM's?
SH, "SRM removal assures that the beef is not contaminated."
According to some, others would disagree.
SH, "When will you ever show the integrity to think for yourself and quit following the R-CALF pied pipers?"
I've been a R-CALF member for a little over a month. I thought for myself and saw that they are the best bet to represent US cattlemen in this changing world. How many times have you disagreed with anything NCBA or the USDA has said?
Sandhusker: "You like to get on R-CALF for their views on Canadian beef, but you ignore the fact that any country not taking Canadian beef shares the same view. As of today, that is the view of the majority."
SH, "Another lie you cannot defend."
A lie? LMAO! Tell my why countries are not taking Canadian cattle if they don't think there are promlems with it?
SH, "Japan is not taking our beef currently and we can assure Japan that no Canadian cattle are in the system. That's not their concern though is it???? "
But I thought we had to take Canadian cattle so others would take ours? We've been taking Canadian boxed beef for over a year, why isn't Japan taking our boxed beef?
SH,"If your statement was true, Japan would be concerned about Canadian cattle within our system but they're not! Why is that Sandhusker???"
You don't remember their stance from June, 2003 until Dec, 2003? Think about that.
SH, "Simple, we had a BSE positive within our borders and they aren't buying R-CALF's Canadian blame."
If you haven't noticed, they have a zero tolerance policy towards BSE. We used to too, until the big money discovered that was a money losing policy after Canada became BSE positive. See, Japan's "sound science" hasn't changed, ours did.
"How many times have you argued "just test them, just test them" acknowledging Japan's concern for the safety of OUR BEEF without Canadian cattle in the mix?"
I don't say test them to acknowledge anything other than a customer's request.
If you show up in Vetal tonight, I'll take you into a corner and do my best to straighten you out. :lol:
cowsense said:Sandhusker; at last count Canada was exporting record amounts of quality Canadian beef to just over 40 countries!
cowsense said:oldtimer- NO BUSINESS lists their customers for the competitors! I did try to post a 30/12/04 news release from CBEF (Can. Beef Export Fed.) listing Canada as being present in 50 export markets at present but my computor keeps freezing on the Acrobat Reader. Wonderful machine when they work but can drive you to drink! While growing , our markets still have a ways to go particularly for OTM cattle. If you want you can check www.cbef.com check news releases DEC. 30,04 :!: