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katrina

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What can you tell me nutritionally about swelling of the joints of colts... I have a friend who has a really nice filly that is starting to swell in the hocks. She said it was from growing to fast??? She had a name for it... It sounded like apendix-something???
 
We would have to know more, katrina.

Where is the swelling? In the back of the hocks, in the
front of the hocks? It could be nutrition related, it could be
a spavin. It could be an injury. So, where, specifically is
the swelling? Usually swelling on any leg is not a good sign.
or at least a sign something is not right.

Has the vet ruled out OCD?

Also a worm load can cause horses/colts to stock up, if it is
just a stocking-up issue, which it does not sound like.
 
Had it not been for Amy, our friend in Oklahoma, I would not know about this disease, but it is more common than one would like.
Here is something I got online:

Overview
Osteochondritis dissecans (OCD) is a relatively common developmental disease that affects horses of all types. Although the exact cause of OCD and the steps leading up to it are not definitively known, there is a reasonable consensus about the general cause.

Causes and Risk Factors
Several causes of OCD are known, although the disease is generally considered to be multifactorial. As a result, the disease is not usually caused by any one factor, but rather a combination of several factors acting together. These known factors include:

Rapid growth and large body size: An unusually rapid phase of growth and/or growth to a large size can be associated with OCD formation.

Nutrition: Diets that are very high in energy or have an imbalance in trace minerals, low-copper diets in particular, can lead to OCD formation.

Genetics: Risk of OCD may also be partially inherited, although the mode of inheritance is not well defined and other factors are often required before an OCD fragment forms. Genetics can also be responsible for the horse's response to the other factors presented here, as well as rate of body growth.

Hormonal imbalances: Imbalance in certain hormones during development, including insulin and thyroid hormones, can encourage OCD formation.

Trauma and exercise: Trauma to a joint, including routine exercise, is often involved in formation and loosening of the OCD flap or fragment.

Incidence and Prevalence
Since all these factors are involved in a complex series of interactions it is not possible to predict which horses will develop OCD, and is therefore difficult to prevent the formation of OCD in individual animals. Clinical prevalence of OCD is usually between 5 and 25% in a given horse population, but radiographic signs of abnormal development can be as high as 60% in certain groups (Wittwer et al. J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med 2006).

Signs and Symptoms
OCD may be detected as early as 5 months of age, or as late as skeletal maturity (approximately 3 years of age). However, in young horses, it is recommended that the final diagnosis should be made when the horse is about 1 year of age. The most common sign of OCD is effusion (swelling) in the joint of a young horse (Figure 2). Often, the joint swelling is first noticed shortly after the horse begins a formal training and exercise program. Depending on the location and severity of the OCD, the horse may be noticeably lame on the leg, may only be lame during high-speed work, or may not have detectable lameness at all. OCD can occur in virtually all joints, however there are several joints which are affected much more commonly. The most commonly involved joints are the hock, the stifle, and the fetlock. The shoulder can also be involved, although this is seen with less frequency in horses.



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Has she taken him to a vet? That would be better than trying to
diagnose it over the internet. Has she taken his temperature?
Does he have a fever? There is just too many things...I would definitely
take him to a vet. It could be serious, but maybe not. Horses
should not swell in their legs...if they do, something is wrong.

Sorry, I can't help further. Lots of strange things can happen to young horses that are overfed...and not excercised...

I did put a call into Amy. I'll let you know what I find out.
Again, the vet would be the best source of information.
 
It's fairly common. Basically, that's from too much feed, or too hot of feed. (pushing young horses too hard).
Did the vet tell her to take away the grain and alfalfa (if she is feeding
that)?

Less feed and more excercise is how to manage it, I believe.

Good luck to her.
 
It should be on PN...regardless...I don't know if it will cure
anything, but it will provide the nutrition needed.
PN isn't a hot feed. It is a diet balancer.

How old is this colt?
I recommend everything to be on it, for safety's sake
and for proper nutrition.

Have her go to www.prognutrition.com website where
she can ask questions or call them and ask for Kelly Graber.
Pretty fantastic folks there...
 
Faster horses said:
It should be on PN...regardless...I don't know if it will cure
anything, but it will provide the nutrition needed.
PN isn't a hot feed. It is a diet balancer.

How old is this colt?
I recommend everything to be on it, for safety's sake
and for proper nutrition.

Have her go to www.prognutrition.com website where
she can ask questions or call them and ask for Kelly Graber.
Pretty fantastic folks there...

FWIW, epiphysitis is an inflammation of the soft tissues around the lower joints, caused by the bone growing at a faster rate than the softer tissues when the young horse is being fed too richly, or with an imbalanced nutrient content.

Epiphysitis is fairly common in horses that are genetically predisposed to rapid growth, as most modern halter-bred stock horses are. And, a lot of the modern halter-bred horses are also bred -- for really stupid reasons, in my opinion -- to be fairly vertical in the hocks and fetlocks; the vertical-jointed youngsters are usually more susceptible to epiphysitis than colts with more angled hocks and fetlocks, since the vertical joints will put additional stress on growing tissues.

This stuff (http://www.equinelegmagic.net/) works pretty well and fairly quickly (six to eight weeks, maybe a touch more or less) to relieve the issue; it's not cheap, but it works and will allow a show prospect to remain in better physical shape than the traditional solution (show conditioning is frequently one of the reasons -- if not the primary reason -- for horses being fed in a manner that pushes them to grow quickly). The traditional solution is to take the colt off of the high-protein and high-energy feeds (alfalfa and grain) and keep it on a grass hay diet until the problem goes (and stays) away for a couple of months. Extended turnout will help, too, as this will require the colt to expend the energy he's consuming to fuel exercise rather than to fuel growth. This traditional method will effectively stunt the colt's bone growth long enough to let the growth of the soft tissues catch up to the bone growth.
 
katrina said:
Thank you al gore for my computer!!! :roll: :roll: :twisted: :P
If you're really serious about thanking him, he'd probably settle for a massage with all the extras. :lol:
 

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