reader (the Second) said:Look, even in NYC, there are neighborhoods where people know each other for 40 years.
I grew up in the country (pop. 500) and I agree that in the country you know everybody. However you may be no closer to them than you are to your neighbors in the city. Believe me, I know what's it's like to be on the outside in the country.
reader (the Second) said:Soapweed said:CattleRMe said:I was speaking more in the way that so many things that rurual people view as issues to city people just aren't. Rural people seemed more involved in others business while in the city nobody really knows anothers business.
Rural people care about their neighbors. City people don't even know their neighbors.
That's a generalization. Some do and some don't.
you saidtheHiredMansWife said:Liberals tend to look for government to solve their problems.
Conservatives tend to look at government as the problem.
reader (the Second) said:RoperAB said:Well which is it?
Separate church from state or have them together?
In Canada if you live with someone for a few months <cant remember how many> you are considered common law. That entitles you to alomony and other stuff if you split up. Why isnt this enough for the Rosie Odonald types that want to rub it in the churches face and adopt children just to prove a point?
I tell you what, put it to a vote. If the majority of people in a state or province wants to allow gays to marry or mormons to have sixteen wives or to allow a post menapausal woman to be able to marry there own sons who are of legal age, then so be it if the majority of people vote for it.
I know how the vote would go in Alberta.
Whoa, slow down there. Where did you get the incest from?
Marriage and divorce does differ from state to state, as does (did?) legal drinking age. Incest is outlawed everywhere.
I think polyagamy and polyandry is a mistake but I agree that if a state wants to allow it OR GAY MARRIAGE, then it's their choice.
Adoption is an understandable issue because in some states if lesbians have a child, it is the child of the biological parent and the other is not allowed to adopt it I believe. REgardless of how many years they raise it together and regardless of the role of the non-biological parent.
My gay friend told me back when this started that it was the WRONG issue for gays to focus on -- marriage -- but I understand the sentimental reasons. However the only real justification are partner rights in terms of insurance, next of kin rights, healthcare...
if I were to get hit in the head, become stupid and switch to liberalism, I still would not want you on my team. you are full of anger for some reason, and hell bent on having it your way or no way, which stiffens my opinion that liberals want a divided country, because that is where they get thier power and votes.theHiredMansWife said:Saying you have to be clear over to one direction or another is just as ridiculous as saying if you don't live on the East Coast, you must live on the West.
It's bogus.
But as has been pointed out before, there is a faction here that seems bound and determined to draw their lines and people had just better stay on their teams or else.
But then, there is that small percentage of the country that's not sick of the partisanship, and apparently they all gather here. :wink:
kolanuraven said:I'm gonna guess and say the Lutheran statement was just a " tee-hee" .
The honesty in city living :???: Sorry I was raised in the City of Calgary,no didn't know our next door nieghbors,couldn't count on them helping you out! Man I LOVE the country,maybe everyone knows your business,but in a tight or even not so tight spot they are there for you,the saying it takes a village to raise a child,yes sir it does and I wouldn't have it any other waynonothing said:reader (the Second) said:Look, even in NYC, there are neighborhoods where people know each other for 40 years.
I grew up in the country (pop. 500) and I agree that in the country you know everybody. However you may be no closer to them than you are to your neighbors in the city. Believe me, I know what's it's like to be on the outside in the country.
no one is dissputeing that there are good nieghbors in the city.All that was implied was that rural living involves closer ties to everyones personal bussness.I personially perfere the honesty of city living.
What makes someone's subsidy payment so much more acceptable than a single mom working her way through college on work-study and taking ADC, WIC, and anything else she can get in order to pay the bills?
reader (the Second) said:RoperAB said:reader (the Second) said:Whoa, slow down there. Where did you get the incest from?
Marriage and divorce does differ from state to state, as does (did?) legal drinking age. Incest is outlawed everywhere.
I think polyagamy and polyandry is a mistake but I agree that if a state wants to allow it OR GAY MARRIAGE, then it's their choice.
Adoption is an understandable issue because in some states if lesbians have a child, it is the child of the biological parent and the other is not allowed to adopt it I believe. REgardless of how many years they raise it together and regardless of the role of the non-biological parent.
My gay friend told me back when this started that it was the WRONG issue for gays to focus on -- marriage -- but I understand the sentimental reasons. However the only real justification are partner rights in terms of insurance, next of kin rights, healthcare...
:shock: So you are okay with polyagamy :shock:
You know as a guy I would be okay with it if I was selfesh and did not care about women and most of all the children of these marriages.
Please explain to me why gay marriage is okay but incest when the woman is post menapausal and the guy is of a legal age is wrong.
Please explain how allowing two gay guys to adopt children is in the best interest of the child.
I think multiple wives or multiple husbands is against human nature and unworkable personally, but there are societies that have such marriages and presumably they work. If Utah decided to allow polygamy, I would let them have the right as a state to take that decision. The issue is just what you mention -- the impact that society has to have a legal structure to account for in terms of property rights, children, alimony, etc. So I agree, it's really not an option for a state to decide on its own. Interesting that you oppose it so fiercely since they were polygamous in Biblical times : )
I doubt that gay parents are on the whole worse than many many parents and they may be quite a bit better. There are enough children who need parents that I have no issue with gay adoption. Kids of gay parents don't end up gay necessarily which is I think why you oppose it. I suspect if they are biologically heterosexual, they end up heterosexual. How many gay couples do you know?
As for incest, it's very disturbing and a red herring.
Soapweed said:CattleRMe said:I was speaking more in the way that so many things that rurual people view as issues to city people just aren't. Rural people seemed more involved in others business while in the city nobody really knows anothers business.
Rural people care about their neighbors. City people don't even know their neighbors.
CattleRMe said:Soapweed said:CattleRMe said:I was speaking more in the way that so many things that rurual people view as issues to city people just aren't. Rural people seemed more involved in others business while in the city nobody really knows anothers business.
Rural people care about their neighbors. City people don't even know their neighbors.
Is that all bad doesn't everyone have a neighbor that just annoys the heck out of them? :?
jigs said:you have a very good point soapweed, but it is making me nervous because I have a dope smoking thief for one neighbor who is really nice when you see him, but drives around all night and steals stuff.......hope is is the image in someone else's mirror ! :???:
reader (the Second) said:I believe you about the Mormon polygamists and have seen programs on them pushing th young boys out so get rid of competition. Ugh. Okay, I don't support a state's right to choose their marriage laws...
I am not a great fan of gay marriages, I think they are a bad idea and a distraction. I don't oppose gay partnerships and I believe that people who enter into such a partnership should have some or all of the legal rights that those who can get married do (be a beneficiary on life insurance, be next of kin, be allowed to adopt the child of their partner, share health insurance benefits). I know you think I am condoning and encouraging gay relationships with these opinions but I am simply acknowledging that there are homosexuals born into this world and they deserve human rights and the right to love another person and share their lives. I don't think homosexuality should be celebrated and elevated to a lifestyle that one should encourage but I don't think people should suffer for how they were born or wired. Leave them to their private lives. I have known gay people for many years and judge them by their behavior and contribution to society; many are good people, good citizens, good employers. Some have lifestyles I disapprove of, most do not.