Sandhusker
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Bill, "How much damage was actually done? You tell us."
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Older cows won't be crossing border this year
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So in you opinion is that due to a lack of credibility from R-Calf or I maybe you chalk it up to nobody reading the Washington Post? :roll:Sandhusker said:
That must be it huh. Nobody reads the Washington Post so the poultry producers decided instead of spending money trying to discourage consumers from eating their product that they would just save their money (not to mention saving face). :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's always hilarious watching you R-Bulleeeevers try spin a R-Calf screwup into something else. Next thing you'll be telling us is that ads like that actually INCREASE beef demand. :roll:
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Bill said:
Bill -- What damage do you think the every few months new POST feedban BSE Canadian cows have done :???: Especially now when every News Agency is carrying the articles worldwide- questioning Canada's feedban and whether it was followed by producers and feed manufacturers ....And every US article references that Canadian cattle and beef is being imported to the US- and the consumer groups are now pointing out to consumers that this imported meat is being passed off as a US product... :???:
We need M-COOL so consumers can make the choice........
Manitoba_Rancher
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OT- What about BSE in the US herd youve got it so I wouldnt crow too loud. Your a protectionist and forget youve got BSE there as well!!
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
You didn't read Johanns statement :???:
Johanns says that in a herd 7 or 8 times as big as Canada's we have less than Canada has found already....What'd he say- we could only have 4-7 animals in our entire herd of 42 million cattle...
And this means we can stop testing- so the US will not find any more....
MR- This is based on "science"-- Do you not believe in science? :???:
Manitoba_Rancher
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Your still a protectionist :wink:
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
You are right
Manitoba_Rancher
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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: We finally got you to admit that you were..... :wink:
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
I think most rural people are to some extent- it comes from the independent, self sufficient, take care of yourself lives they live....
Manitoba_Rancher
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specially if you belong to R-calf. :roll:
Oldtimer said:
That makes no sense. Lobbying the government for regulation and protection!??? Thats independence and being self sufficient?
I notice you have a Reagan quote in your signature. I know what old Rawhide would have to say about R-CALF!
His son Mike has several books out. I really suggest you read them or listen to his talk radio show.
What about the horse industry? I know your into horses. Does the same thing apply?
Sandhusker
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I know what Webster's definition of "protectionist" is, but I don't think it is the same that is used on this board. Maybe Macon can add a handy dictionary so we're all speaking the same language.
Oldtimer said:
Yes it is extraordinarily low when you don't use the right test on the highest risk cattle. But what would it be if the USDA had used the test the rest of us use? :wink: Until the US tests with a confirmatory test that works how do you know what the prevalence really is? I find it strange that when Canada and other countries have inconclusives, odds are high that there are positive but when the US has one, odds are really high that it is negative, why is that OT? :?
Mike
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Tam, I have stored this quote for my archives. :wink: Sure seems that you trust and back the USDA on packer issues, Creekstone issues, and most other issues but you don't trust the USDA on this testing issue.
As noted, you have pointed out why the Japs don't trust us. Keep talking, I like the way you are spreading the word that the USDA has been less than honest! Are you saying that the "BSE Prevalence" Estimate is not truthful?
All I want is for the USDA to be transparent and truthful. Is that too much to ask? :lol: :lol: :lol: You have come very close to talking out of both sides of your mouth. Thanks.
Tommy
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Mike...You have come very close to talking out of both sides of your mouth. Thanks.
Yeah, she makes up quotes to suit her purpose as well.
Yeah, she makes up quotes to suit her purpose as well.
Mike said:
Mike if you want a few more just look in the Archives because I have not kept it a secret that I don't agree with the USDA BSE testing. I'm sure you will see where I have said I don't think the USDA is testing to find BSE. In Canada we are to test 4D cattle, the highest risk cattle by OIE rules. But I have to ask just how many 4D cattle are the USDA testing?
How many 4D cattle are going through your MEATPACKING PLANTS? :shock: I do believe the testing is not a food safety issue but if we are to really know how big a problem the US has it would be nice if you had to play by the same rules in proving your prevalence to the world. SAME TEST SAME RISKY CATTLE. I don't agree with 100% testing and certainly not the age of cattle that Creekstone wanted to test as again that is testing NOT TO FIND. and seems to me to be a waste money not to mention time and LIMITED lab space that could be concentrated on the 4D cattle (including a high percentage of ON FARM DEAD AND DIEING NOT MEATPACKING PLANT CATTLE) the OIE does recommend be tested.
Mike
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Tam said:
Come on Tam! How can you question the USDA? Don't you trust them?
You sound a lot like an R-Calfer. Have you paid your dues this year? Did you mail in your vote?
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Tam- I thought the USDA could do no wrong- Was R-CALF wrong then when they questioned their sound science :???:
You have chameleoned into a true Canuck-- "We believe in the sound science that supports our cause- but damn that that would hurt my pocketbook" :wink: :roll:
Kind of like the science that said that Canada had no reason to put up a border barrier against US cattle- but they did for 10+ years as a protectionist measure- which they still refuse to drop still saying "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....Then when the same scientists come back and say the border should be opened wide, Canucks are kissing their as?, nope won't say that-- feet....
Tam- are you American or Canuck? Is USDA right or wrong? You can't have it both ways......
You have chameleoned into a true Canuck-- "We believe in the sound science that supports our cause- but damn that that would hurt my pocketbook" :wink: :roll:
Kind of like the science that said that Canada had no reason to put up a border barrier against US cattle- but they did for 10+ years as a protectionist measure- which they still refuse to drop still saying "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....Then when the same scientists come back and say the border should be opened wide, Canucks are kissing their as?, nope won't say that-- feet....
Tam- are you American or Canuck? Is USDA right or wrong? You can't have it both ways......
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Bill said:
That is what your government considers any live cattle coming into Canada from the US under your Anaplas/Bluetongue trade barriers.......Thats what anyone wanting to ship cattle into Canada has faced for the last 10+ years- even tho those cattle ran side by side along the fenceline with Canadian cattle :???: .....