Older cows won't be crossing border this year

[Bill]

Tam- I thought the USDA could do no wrong- Was R-CALF wrong then when they questioned their sound science :???:

You have chameleoned into a true Canuck-- "We believe in the sound science that supports our cause- but damn that that would hurt my pocketbook" :wink: :roll:

Kind of like the science that said that Canada had no reason to put up a border barrier against US cattle- but they did for 10+ years as a protectionist measure- which they still refuse to drop still saying "ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....Then when the same scientists come back and say the border should be opened wide, Canucks are kissing their as?, nope won't say that-- feet....

Tam- are you American or Canuck? Is USDA right or wrong? You can't have it both ways......

"ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED".. I would be interested in knowing where you took that quote from.

That is what your government considers any live cattle coming into Canada from the US under your Anaplas/Bluetongue trade barriers.......Thats what anyone wanting to ship cattle into Canada has faced for the last 10+ years- even tho those cattle ran side by side along the fenceline with Canadian cattle :???: .....

Thanks. I thought that since you put quotation marks around it that maybe someone actually had said that which we both know isn't the case. :wink:

 

[Tam]

Tam, I have stored this quote for my archives. :wink: Sure seems that you trust and back the USDA on packer issues, Creekstone issues, and most other issues but you don't trust the USDA on this testing issue.

As noted, you have pointed out why the Japs don't trust us. Keep talking, I like the way you are spreading the word that the USDA has been less than honest! Are you saying that the "BSE Prevalence" Estimate is not truthful?

All I want is for the USDA to be transparent and truthful. Is that too much to ask? :lol: :lol: :lol: You have come very close to talking out of both sides of your mouth. Thanks.

Mike if you want a few more just look in the Archives because I have not kept it a secret that I don't agree with the USDA BSE testing. I'm sure you will see where I have said I don't think the USDA is testing to find BSE. In Canada we are to test 4D cattle, the highest risk cattle by OIE rules. But I have to ask just how many 4D cattle are the USDA testing?

The USDA has tested more than 690,000 animals since June 2004, or more than 1,000 cattle per day from 5,700 locations, including farms, meatpacking plants and rendering plants, Johanns said.

How many 4D cattle are going through your MEATPACKING PLANTS? :shock: I do believe the testing is not a food safety issue but if we are to really know how big a problem the US has it would be nice if you had to play by the same rules in proving your prevalence to the world. SAME TEST SAME RISKY CATTLE. I don't agree with 100% testing and certainly not the age of cattle that Creekstone wanted to test as again that is testing NOT TO FIND. and seems to me to be a waste money not to mention time and LIMITED lab space that could be concentrated on the 4D cattle (including a high percentage of ON FARM DEAD AND DIEING NOT MEATPACKING PLANT CATTLE) the OIE does recommend be tested.

Come on Tam! How can you question the USDA? Don't you trust them?

You sound a lot like an R-Calfer. Have you paid your dues this year? Did you mail in your vote?

Sound like an R-CALFer, what a joke Mike. :roll: There is a big difference, R-CALF is willing to LIE to achieve their goals. Washington Post ad remember "Everyday U.S. cattle producers bring you the safest beef in the world" and "Our high health and safety standards are needed to protect consumers, the beef industry and U.S. jobs." and "Four Canadian born and raised cattle have been identified with mad cow. Two since January. Mad cow is fatal in animals and linked to a fatal disease in humans. Yet, USDA bureaucrats are rushing to re-open the US border to Canadian beef and cattle"

Now tell us if our beef presents a health risk great enough to warrent being taken to court to stop the importing to be sold to US consumers then why hasn't R-CALF taken the USDA to court to stop the exporting and selling of US beef to US consumers until you know all there is to know about your two cases and are sure that the source of the infection is eradicated? Why didn't Dennis bring a resolution to the membership about not marketing beef from cattle older than 20 months? Where is R-CALFs concern for the US consumer now that the US herd has BSE? And these High health and safety standards are these the ones that allowed a BSE infected cow into the U.S.A. Human food chain? and also allow at least two native cattle to contract the disease? On one hand R-CALF tells the media that you have the safest beef in the world because of the firewalls that are in place because of the USDA then they tell the media that those firewalls are failing. What is making your beef the SAFEST IN THE WORLD? Which way is it? Pick a story and stick to it. But if you pick the one I think they will pick because of their need to blame the USDA you better sell your cattle now as the future of the US cattle industry will be short lived.

And Oldtimer your comment about

"We believe in the sound science that supports our cause- but damn that that would hurt my pocketbook"

sounds like the reason Dennis M. maybe didn't follow through with his resolution? :wink:

"ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED"....

Since we all now have to provide the source of any statement in quotation marks I too would like to have the name of the person from Canada that made this comment. OR did you add your little R-CALF touch to it to make the Canadians look bad? :wink:

 

[Tommy]

Tam...Since we all now have to provide the source of any statement in quotation marks I too would like to have the name of the person from Canada that made this comment.

Why should he Tam, you have yet to provide the name or source for your quote?

 

[Econ101]

"ALL US CATTLE ARE DISEASED".. I would be interested in knowing where you took that quote from.

That is what your government considers any live cattle coming into Canada from the US under your Anaplas/Bluetongue trade barriers.......Thats what anyone wanting to ship cattle into Canada has faced for the last 10+ years- even tho those cattle ran side by side along the fenceline with Canadian cattle :???: .....

Thanks. I thought that since you put quotation marks around it that maybe someone actually had said that which we both know isn't the case. :wink:

Bill, as an outsider looking at this discussion, do you deny the allegation that was made by OT? I am not interested in a quote game here, I am interested in what was actually allowed to happen on the ground with the health issue OT brought up. Are health issues being used on both sides of the border as a trade barrier, at the whim of policy makers who have the power to control the trade?

 

[RoperAB]

Isnt Blue tongue and the other disease <cant remember what its called.Are they diseases that cattle can catch?
To the best of my knowledge BSE cannot be spread from one animal to another by contact?

 

[Anonymous]

Isnt Blue tongue and the other disease <cant remember what its called.Are they diseases that cattle can catch?
To the best of my knowledge BSE cannot be spread from one animal to another by contact?

USDA says because of "sound science" cattle from the BSE infected country of Canada should be allowed imported into the US-- And you apparently agree with that science

BUT

Then USDA says that "sound science" shows that cattle from 38 US states should be allowed into Canada, unrestricted and freely without testing or time limits--But you Canadians don't buy that science... :???:


Just kind of makes me laugh when I hear Canadians use the "sound science" argument....More like "Pick and Choose what best suits us science" :roll: :lol:

 

[mrj]

RoperAB, Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis are cattle diseases, communicable, though I'm not totally sure how seriously, but have heard from vetrinarians that it is not significant enough of a problem to stop movement of cattle from USA to Canada for legitimate reasons and has been/is being used by your govt. for protectionist reasons.

Some states in the US apparently also have rules about movement of cattle from states or areas prone to those diseases, to areas that don't have it, but cattle do move.

Bureaucracies in both countries move slower than molasses on such issues, especially when cattle industry politics has ill-informed cattle producers in each country pushing their govt to keep up the protections. Hopefully, one of these days people with their little agenda's and power struggles will see the light and use sound science and fair trade instead of just politics as usual.

MRJ

 

[Bill]

That is what your government considers any live cattle coming into Canada from the US under your Anaplas/Bluetongue trade barriers.......Thats what anyone wanting to ship cattle into Canada has faced for the last 10+ years- even tho those cattle ran side by side along the fenceline with Canadian cattle :???: .....

Thanks. I thought that since you put quotation marks around it that maybe someone actually had said that which we both know isn't the case. :wink:

Bill, as an outsider looking at this discussion, do you deny the allegation that was made by OT? I am not interested in a quote game here, I am interested in what was actually allowed to happen on the ground with the health issue OT brought up. Are health issues being used on both sides of the border as a trade barrier, at the whim of policy makers who have the power to control the trade?

As usual OT didn't tell all the story,

Anaplasmosis and Bluetongue
Anaplasmosis and bluetongue are diseases that can affect ruminant animals and are spread by specific biting insects. While anaplasmosis can occur as a clinical disease in cattle and bison, the bluetongue virus causes disease in sheep, goats and wild ruminants. It may also be carried for a limited period by cattle and bison without causing disease.
While anaplasmosis is not present in Canadian livestock, bluetongue has occurred from time to time in British Columbia's Okanagan Valley.
There is a potential risk to animals in Canada if infected cattle are imported in an uncontrolled manner, especially during the summer months when biting insects are active.
With the use of science-based risk assessments, Canada's import requirement for US feeder cattle have been modified a number of times during the last decade.
In 2004, Canada's import policy was modified to allow the entry of feeder cattle from up to 39 US states into approved feedlots without prior testing for these diseases. Qualifying states must be free of bovine brucellosis and tuberculosis, and must have a low level of bluetongue. Measures have been put into place at importing feedlots to protect Canadian cattle from possible exposure to disease. Animals entering Canada under this import program are commonly referred to as "restricted feeders".
On March 29, 2005, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency expanded access under its import regulations to allow for the importation of a range of US animals and their products and by-products that were previously prohibited after a case of BSE was detected in Washington State in December 2003.
As a result, year-round access for US feeder cattle into Canadian feedlots is now allowed, though protecting Canadian livestock and wildlife from bluetongue, anaplasmosis and other animal diseases is still of prime concern.
Because of the continued closure of the US border to slaughter cattle imports, Canadian feedlot operators to date have not found it economically viable to import US feeder cattle. Only one permit has been issued to a US exporter as of June 2005, and no importation has occurred. www.agr.gc.ca/usadvocacy

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks. I thought that since you put quotation marks around it that maybe someone actually had said that which we both know isn't the case. :wink:

Bill, as an outsider looking at this discussion, do you deny the allegation that was made by OT? I am not interested in a quote game here, I am interested in what was actually allowed to happen on the ground with the health issue OT brought up. Are health issues being used on both sides of the border as a trade barrier, at the whim of policy makers who have the power to control the trade?

As usual OT didn't tell all the story,

Anaplasmosis and Bluetongue
Anaplasmosis and bluetongue are diseases that can affect ruminant animals and are spread by specific biting insects. While anaplasmosis can occur as a clinical disease in cattle and bison, the bluetongue virus causes disease in sheep, goats and wild ruminants. It may also be carried for a limited period by cattle and bison without causing disease.
While anaplasmosis is not present in Canadian livestock, bluetongue has occurred from time to time in British Columbia's Okanagan Valley.
There is a potential risk to animals in Canada if infected cattle are imported in an uncontrolled manner, especially during the summer months when biting insects are active.
With the use of science-based risk assessments, Canada's import requirement for US feeder cattle have been modified a number of times during the last decade.
In 2004, Canada's import policy was modified to allow the entry of feeder cattle from up to 39 US states into approved feedlots without prior testing for these diseases. Qualifying states must be free of bovine brucellosis and tuberculosis, and must have a low level of bluetongue. Measures have been put into place at importing feedlots to protect Canadian cattle from possible exposure to disease. Animals entering Canada under this import program are commonly referred to as "restricted feeders".
On March 29, 2005, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency expanded access under its import regulations to allow for the importation of a range of US animals and their products and by-products that were previously prohibited after a case of BSE was detected in Washington State in December 2003.
As a result, year-round access for US feeder cattle into Canadian feedlots is now allowed, though protecting Canadian livestock and wildlife from bluetongue, anaplasmosis and other animal diseases is still of prime concern.
Because of the continued closure of the US border to slaughter cattle imports, Canadian feedlot operators to date have not found it economically viable to import US feeder cattle. Only one permit has been issued to a US exporter as of June 2005, and no importation has occurred. www.agr.gc.ca/usadvocacy

Bill- All well and good- Its a step Canada made when its tit was caught in a wringer after 10 years of an artificial trade barrier- but if the US is to drop all restrictions and if its a North American Herd like you Canucks keep professing than there should be NO RESTRICTIONS...Some Canadians might want to buy Leo's or DeBruyckers good bulls again :wink:

Personally I'd be plumb happy if they keep the Border rules the way they are for another 10 years.....

 

[Bill]

Bill, as an outsider looking at this discussion, do you deny the allegation that was made by OT? I am not interested in a quote game here, I am interested in what was actually allowed to happen on the ground with the health issue OT brought up. Are health issues being used on both sides of the border as a trade barrier, at the whim of policy makers who have the power to control the trade?

As usual OT didn't tell all the story,

Anaplasmosis and Bluetongue
Anaplasmosis and bluetongue are diseases that can affect ruminant animals and are spread by specific biting insects. While anaplasmosis can occur as a clinical disease in cattle and bison, the bluetongue virus causes disease in sheep, goats and wild ruminants. It may also be carried for a limited period by cattle and bison without causing disease.
While anaplasmosis is not present in Canadian livestock, bluetongue has occurred from time to time in British Columbia's Okanagan Valley.
There is a potential risk to animals in Canada if infected cattle are imported in an uncontrolled manner, especially during the summer months when biting insects are active.
With the use of science-based risk assessments, Canada's import requirement for US feeder cattle have been modified a number of times during the last decade.
In 2004, Canada's import policy was modified to allow the entry of feeder cattle from up to 39 US states into approved feedlots without prior testing for these diseases. Qualifying states must be free of bovine brucellosis and tuberculosis, and must have a low level of bluetongue. Measures have been put into place at importing feedlots to protect Canadian cattle from possible exposure to disease. Animals entering Canada under this import program are commonly referred to as "restricted feeders".
On March 29, 2005, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency expanded access under its import regulations to allow for the importation of a range of US animals and their products and by-products that were previously prohibited after a case of BSE was detected in Washington State in December 2003.
As a result, year-round access for US feeder cattle into Canadian feedlots is now allowed, though protecting Canadian livestock and wildlife from bluetongue, anaplasmosis and other animal diseases is still of prime concern.
Because of the continued closure of the US border to slaughter cattle imports, Canadian feedlot operators to date have not found it economically viable to import US feeder cattle. Only one permit has been issued to a US exporter as of June 2005, and no importation has occurred. www.agr.gc.ca/usadvocacy

Bill- All well and good- Its a step Canada made when its tit was caught in a wringer after 10 years of an artificial trade barrier- but if the US is to drop all restrictions and if its a North American Herd like you Canucks keep professing than there should be NO RESTRICTIONS...Some Canadians might want to buy Leo's or DeBruyckers good bulls again :wink:

Personally I'd be plumb happy if they keep the Border rules the way they are for another 10 years.....

:lol: :lol: Good one OT.

Lloyd and Leo pretty much sealed their fate with Canadian Bull buyers. I wouldn't expect the current generation of cattle producers to be down buying at Midland again.

The review of Bluetongue and anaplas regs. started pre BSE.

 

[Bill]

Isnt Blue tongue and the other disease <cant remember what its called.Are they diseases that cattle can catch?
To the best of my knowledge BSE cannot be spread from one animal to another by contact?

From the OIE website.

CHAPTER 2.3.7.

BOVINE ANAPLASMOSIS


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Article 2.3.7.1.

Standards for diagnostic tests and vaccines are described in the Terrestrial Manual.

Article 2.3.7.2.

When importing from countries considered infected with bovine anaplasmosis, Veterinary Administrations of free countries should require:

for cattle
the presentation of an international veterinary certificate attesting that the animals:

showed no clinical sign of bovine anaplasmosis on the day of shipment; and

were, since birth, kept in a zone known to be free of bovine anaplasmosis for the previous 2 years;

OR

showed no clinical sign of bovine anaplasmosis on the day of shipment; and

were subjected to a diagnostic test for bovine anaplasmosis with negative results during 30 days prior to shipment; and

were treated with an effective drug such as oxytetracycline for 5 consecutive days at a dose of 22 mg/kg (under study);

AND

in either of the above cases:

were treated with an acaricide and, if necessary, a repellant against biting insects prior to shipment and were completely free of ticks.

The document for Bluetongue is a long one so here is the link.

http://www.oie.int/eng/normes/mcode/en_chapitre_2.2.13.htm#rubrique_fievre_catarrhale_du_mouton

 

[Tam]

Hey Oldtimer did Roder T give you the pamphet that he hands out at his meeting? I mean the one that shows all but about 4 States are KNOWN TO HAVE BLUE AND/OR ANNA. Kind of makes you wonder why we are excepting cattle from 39 states without testing doesn't it? :wink: I also find it strange that there are restriction on movement between states but we are to open our borders with no restricts attached. If there is not significant enough of a problem to stop movement of cattle from USA to Canada for legitimate reasons then why are there restrictions between States? :?

 

[Tam]

Tam...Since we all now have to provide the source of any statement in quotation marks I too would like to have the name of the person from Canada that made this comment.

Why should he Tam, you have yet to provide the name or source for your quote?

Tommy I admitted it may not have been R-CALF's EXACT WORDS THAT MEANS IT MAYBE WASN"T AN EXACT QUOTE. You called it a lie even though what they did say was taken that way. If it wasn't Please explain why after looking at the USDA and R-CALF court briefs, Cebull came to the conclusion that "Canadian Beef presents a GENUINE RISK OF DEATH"? (quote from Judge R. Cebull's Federal Court ruling from Billings Montana) Do you really think anything in the USDA's brief would have given Cebull that impression? Come on Tommy whos brief left Cebull with this impression of Canadian beef??????????:roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Oldtimer did Roder T give you the pamphet that he hands out at his meeting? I mean the one that shows all but about 4 States are KNOWN TO HAVE BLUE AND/OR ANNA. Kind of makes you wonder why we are excepting cattle from 39 states without testing doesn't it? :wink: I also find it strange that there are restriction on movement between states but we are to open our borders with no restricts attached. If there is not significant enough of a problem to stop movement of cattle from USA to Canada for legitimate reasons then why are there restrictions between States? :?

Nope no pamphlet....

What it shows to me is that it was a phony restriction from day one--Canada imposed it for 10+ years- negotiated at removal for 10 years, but then when they were falling all over themselves to get back on the gravy train riding the US producers shirttails- it miracuously didn't matter that much anymore....BUT Canada still says we don't want any seedstock people have fair trade in Canada, so we'll keep that on :???:

BSE and the closed border are giving a lot of insight-- Canada's phony trade restrictions and the large negative impact Canadian live cattle have on the US market both are more clearly seen....
NAFTA has been a win win situation for Canadians- and a lose lose situation for many in the US......

 

[Bill]

Hey Oldtimer did Roder T give you the pamphet that he hands out at his meeting? I mean the one that shows all but about 4 States are KNOWN TO HAVE BLUE AND/OR ANNA. Kind of makes you wonder why we are excepting cattle from 39 states without testing doesn't it? :wink: I also find it strange that there are restriction on movement between states but we are to open our borders with no restricts attached. If there is not significant enough of a problem to stop movement of cattle from USA to Canada for legitimate reasons then why are there restrictions between States? :?

Nope no pamphlet....

What it shows to me is that it was a phony restriction from day one--Canada imposed it for 10+ years- negotiated at removal for 10 years, but then when they were falling all over themselves to get back on the gravy train riding the US producers shirttails- it miracuously didn't matter that much anymore....BUT Canada still says we don't want any seedstock people have fair trade in Canada, so we'll keep that on :???:

BSE and the closed border are giving a lot of insight-- Canada's phony trade restrictions and the large negative impact Canadian live cattle have on the US market both are more clearly seen....
NAFTA has been a win win situation for Canadians- and a lose lose situation for many in the US......

Yada Yada Yada. :roll: :roll: :roll:

The fact is OT that Canada has reduced restrictions and you're once again feeding people information that isn't totally accurate.

 

[Econ101]

Hey Oldtimer did Roder T give you the pamphet that he hands out at his meeting? I mean the one that shows all but about 4 States are KNOWN TO HAVE BLUE AND/OR ANNA. Kind of makes you wonder why we are excepting cattle from 39 states without testing doesn't it? :wink: I also find it strange that there are restriction on movement between states but we are to open our borders with no restricts attached. If there is not significant enough of a problem to stop movement of cattle from USA to Canada for legitimate reasons then why are there restrictions between States? :?

Nope no pamphlet....

What it shows to me is that it was a phony restriction from day one--Canada imposed it for 10+ years- negotiated at removal for 10 years, but then when they were falling all over themselves to get back on the gravy train riding the US producers shirttails- it miracuously didn't matter that much anymore....BUT Canada still says we don't want any seedstock people have fair trade in Canada, so we'll keep that on :???:

BSE and the closed border are giving a lot of insight-- Canada's phony trade restrictions and the large negative impact Canadian live cattle have on the US market both are more clearly seen....
NAFTA has been a win win situation for Canadians- and a lose lose situation for many in the US......

Yada Yada Yada. :roll: :roll: :roll:

The fact is OT that Canada has reduced restrictions and you're once again feeding people information that isn't totally accurate.

Bill, if you are using restrictions when you want to and when it is in your best advantage, you have no moral high ground, just self interest.

You can not use health issues as a tool whenever you want. Health issues should not be used this way. They should be used for real health issues, not the kind of games you seem to be advocating.

 

[Bill]

Nope no pamphlet....

What it shows to me is that it was a phony restriction from day one--Canada imposed it for 10+ years- negotiated at removal for 10 years, but then when they were falling all over themselves to get back on the gravy train riding the US producers shirttails- it miracuously didn't matter that much anymore....BUT Canada still says we don't want any seedstock people have fair trade in Canada, so we'll keep that on :???:

BSE and the closed border are giving a lot of insight-- Canada's phony trade restrictions and the large negative impact Canadian live cattle have on the US market both are more clearly seen....
NAFTA has been a win win situation for Canadians- and a lose lose situation for many in the US......

Yada Yada Yada. :roll: :roll: :roll:

The fact is OT that Canada has reduced restrictions and you're once again feeding people information that isn't totally accurate.

Bill, if you are using restrictions when you want to and when it is in your best advantage, you have no moral high ground, just self interest.

You can not use health issues as a tool whenever you want. Health issues should not be used this way. They should be used for real health issues, not the kind of games you seem to be advocating.

Do some research as you are obviously once again in over your head.

From the OIE posted just above:

When importing from countries considered infected with bovine anaplasmosis, Veterinary Administrations of free countries should require:

for cattle
the presentation of an international veterinary certificate attesting that the animals:

showed no clinical sign of bovine anaplasmosis on the day of shipment; and

were, since birth, kept in a zone known to be free of bovine anaplasmosis for the previous 2 years;

OR

showed no clinical sign of bovine anaplasmosis on the day of shipment; and

were subjected to a diagnostic test for bovine anaplasmosis with negative results during 30 days prior to shipment; and

were treated with an effective drug such as oxytetracycline for 5 consecutive days at a dose of 22 mg/kg (under study);

AND

in either of the above cases:

were treated with an acaricide and, if necessary, a repellant against biting insects prior to shipment and were completely free of ticks.

What part of that don't you understand.

 

[Sandhusker]

Bill, do you realize that the "Minimal Risk" classification the US created in order to try to justify reopening the border with you guys does not mirror the OIE? In fact, when the US approached the OIE to get their blessings on the plan, they were denied.

Econ is right, you are using examples when it fits your best interests. If you're going to hoist the OIE as the final word on policy, be consistant.

 

[Jason]

It's a good thing Canada has restrictions on things like blue tongue.

How many American born bulls have been tested and brought to Canada so they can be drawn and semen sold to countries where the US has no access?

Just another example of how the 2 countries have collaborated on genetics. Opening the border to contagious diseases like blue tongue and anaplasmosis is shooting the US cattle breeders in the foot. They will never be able to clear semen for Australia or Europe.

Sure is funny how the Montana protectionists were plenty glad when Canadian feeders were buying their calves, but are hopping mad when the market shifts a bit and our calves head South.

Remember a term called fair trade? Blue tongue restrictions were very easy to comply with and really didn't interfere with normal business. Oct 15 to April 15 there was no testing requirement for cattle coming out of the Northern tier states. Cattle that had resided there for 60 days were eligible without testing as well. Many Southern cattle came North on that deal and froze to death.

 

[Anonymous]

It's a good thing Canada has restrictions on things like blue tongue.

How many American born bulls have been tested and brought to Canada so they can be drawn and semen sold to countries where the US has no access?

Just another example of how the 2 countries have collaborated on genetics. Opening the border to contagious diseases like blue tongue and anaplasmosis is shooting the US cattle breeders in the foot. They will never be able to clear semen for Australia or Europe.

Sure is funny how the Montana protectionists were plenty glad when Canadian feeders were buying their calves, but are hopping mad when the market shifts a bit and our calves head South.

Remember a term called fair trade? Blue tongue restrictions were very easy to comply with and really didn't interfere with normal business. Oct 15 to April 15 there was no testing requirement for cattle coming out of the Northern tier states. Cattle that had resided there for 60 days were eligible without testing as well. Many Southern cattle came North on that deal and froze to death.

Then you agree Jason- there is no such thing as a "North American Herd"...EH :???: