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Prairie Dogs and Tony Dean

Southdakotahunter

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Alone, these names raise controversy. lets see what our west river friends have to say about tonys latest. I think he hits the nail on the head!


Conata Basin covers 130,000 acres south of Badlands National Park in South Dakota. It's one of the continent's most intact remaining grasslands, while serving as home to the world's largest population of black-footed ferrets, the rarest mammal on Earth.

Unfortunately, this lovely area is also the center of much controversy having to do with prairie dog politics.

Recently, the Nature Conservancy purchased the 4,000-acre White Ranch, located on the west edge of the Conata Basin - a purchase that also included a pair of federal grazing permits totaling 16,000 acres.

The ranch is considered one of the best sites for ferrets on the continent. The ferrets do well there because they depend on the large prairie dog population.

Depending on your perspective, prairie dogs are:

Cute, playful little guys.


A serious threat to the ranching industry, or ...


A keystone species that do more than support the rare ferrets, but also burrowing owls, ferruginous hawks, swift foxes and golden eagles.

If the science means anything, the correct perspective is the last one. However, to some ranchers, the National Grasslands exist for one reason, with all uses secondary to livestock grazing. The basin falls within he Buffalo Gap National Grasslands and it is public land, though some argue with that designation. Some believe the prairie dogs out-compete cattle for the grass, and right or wrong, a few ranchers have no trouble getting attention from elected officials ranging from members of the Senate and Congress, to the governor and state lawmakers.

None of that fazes Lindsay Sterling Krank of Boulder, Colo., who heads the Prairie Dog Coalition, and that group commissioned a poll that showed that in spite of widespread anti-prairie dog sentiment among ranchers that carries over into the media, over 57 percent of South Dakotans believe prairie dogs deserve some protection. This would not be the first time elected officials have misread the views of their constituents.

"The prairie dog is a keystone species," she said. "Just like the keystone in an arch, if you remove it, the arch will collapse, and it's the same with prairie dogs. All of the other species including the black-footed ferret depend on the prairie dogs for a food supply, and without them, those species also collapse."

The furor over these little critters has intensified following seven years of drought. With little grass growth in dry years, they've expanded their range and that brings them into conflict with ranching interests.

In fact, some of the ranchers are hopping mad, and that includes the Nature Conservancy's White Ranch purchase. Fact is, the Whites approached the Nature Conservancy, not the other way around. And, Bob Paulson of the Nature Conservancy says they've been approached by other ranchers, including some interested in working with them on the ranch's grazing leases. He thinks all of this as an opportunity to work with ranchers and protect the prairie dogs and ferrets.

On a recent trip on I-90 from Rapid City to Pierre, I noticed a prairie dog town alongside the four lanes, one I've watched for several years. On most of the town, the grass is closely cropped, but that ends at a fence on the east side of the town where the grass is tall. I doubt the prairie dogs respect the fence line, but I know they dislike tall grass. Besides, a Forest Service researcher, Dan Uresk once told me that the surest way to attract prairie dogs is overgraze your pastures. Dan has also debunked those tales that have gone the rounds for decades about horses and livestock breaking their legs in prairie dog burrows. He tracked down everyone he heard, and has yet to validate one.

Course, some public land grazers don't like Dan because he also conducted research that confirmed that cattle gain weight at the same rate, or slightly faster, when grazing on prairie dog towns.

The state of South Dakota has an aggressive prairie dog management program aimed at keeping the rodents on public lands, but the plan wouldn't exist had it not been for the National Wildlife Federation forcing South Dakota's hand.

Instead of the hand wringing and hard feelings, wouldn't it be better to learn to live with the prairie dogs?

Tony Dean, an outdoor broadcaster, writes a column every Wednesday for the Argus Leader.
 
Course, some public land grazers don't like Dan because he also conducted research that confirmed that cattle gain weight at the same rate, or slightly faster, when grazing on prairie dog towns
A question about this research, let's assume he is right on gain, but what was the stocking rate comparison. What we are talking about is TOTAL punds of beef.

Where does personal property rights fit into this equation?

Man I just love those little rodents and the disease they bring.

Oh and I know of a horse we lost because of those holes Verifiable, as of now no because the bi-products picked up the animal. So most of these cases are not verifiable by physical evidence. The PD lovers can always claim no evidence..............but in order to do that they have to call these ranchers with a loss a liar, since they will not take their word.
 
Property rights have nothing to do with it, you can do what yuou want to p dogs on your own land, i I think the only restriction is the type and time of poison used.
I agree they need to be managed and they need to managed hard when they come onto your property from Fed. lands.
Praire dogs are like noxious weeds, with only 7% public lands in this state where does all of the noxious weeds and P dogs come from?
 
On most of the town, the grass is closely cropped, but that ends at a fence on the east side of the town where the grass is tall. I doubt the prairie dogs respect the fence line, but I know they dislike tall grass. Besides, a Forest Service researcher, Dan Uresk once told me that the surest way to attract prairie dogs is overgraze your pastures.
This is why Uresk works for the government. People like him have a hard time making it in the private sector. The other side of his argument would have to be that tall grass repels prairie dogs and that just flat-out isn't true!

The rodents in our biggest prairie dog town came off state land and decimated the pasture they moved into that had NOT been overgrazed, burned off, or abused in any way. The prairie rodents cut the grass off so they can see predators coming. They eagerly move into lush pasture, but it won't be long before that pasture looks like the surface of the moon!

That dog town was poisoned again a year ago this fall and for the first time in forty some years, we got a complete kill. Although we didn't get a lot of moisture this year the grass has returned to the dog town and made some very good grazing for our mother cows this summer.

Dan has also debunked those tales that have gone the rounds for decades about horses and livestock breaking their legs in prairie dog burrows. He tracked down everyone he heard, and has yet to validate one.

Course, some public land grazers don't like Dan because he also conducted research that confirmed that cattle gain weight at the same rate, or slightly faster, when grazing on prairie dog towns.
When these guys come up with bogus research, skewed statistics and wild-haired theories, does the federal government dock their wages or fire them for the incompetents they are? We could only wish…
 
Any population left unchecked will result in an environmental disater.....

I used to live not to far from a Guy named Les Scwab. He started a tire store that became an empire. I truly admire the guy on a lot of levels.

I had a friend who remembers as a kid, his dad had a tire flatten on a tractor one evening and decided to give this young guy a try. Les saidhe had a few in front of him but would get to him...They expected to see him mid morning the next day. When they were up the next morning, they were astonished to see the new tire on the tractor. He had come out in the middle of the night and fixed it. the guy remembers his dad saying, "If he isn't carefull, he may just make a go out of that tire store...1000's of tire stores later, LOL..

Les had a population of "Rockchucks"...Huge ones. He liked them and would not let anyone shoot them.....They roamed in his asture and as a private landowner, it was his right...Just as our choices are ours,

PPRM
 
[The rodents in our biggest prairie dog town came off state land and decimated the pasture they moved]
Like I stated before with only 7% public land in South Dakota I m sure all P dogs and noxious weeds come from public lands.[/quote]
 
publichunter: Like I stated before with only 7% public land in South Dakota I m sure all P dogs and noxious weeds come from public lands.

Are you saying that our prairie dogs didn't come off public land? They darn sure did and that is one reason we got such a good kill on them this time. If you can show that the rodents came from public land, whether federal or state, the state is required by law to eradicate them and the guys who got the contract to poison ours knew exactly what they were doing. They did an absolutely wonderful job!

Landowners haven't allowed prairie dogs to flourish on private land, but the feds and the state certainly did, which is why we've got problems with the rodents in South Dakota and across the west.

Noxious weeds? I have no idea where they all come from, but I do know that the public's wildlife has a lot to do with spreading the seeds in their manure. If the public's wildlife would just stay on public land the problems with leafy spurge, Canadian thistle, etc. on private land would be minimal.

Unfortunately, the public's wildlife is raised mostly on private land at the landowner's expense and noxious weeds are just one more item of wildlife damage that isn't paid for by the owners of that wildlife.

Southdakotahunter wrote:
It's one of the continent's most intact remaining grasslands, while serving as home to the world's largest population of black-footed ferrets, the rarest mammal on Earth.
Red Robin: That's a stupid statemnt.
It certainly is stupid! I'd love to see some actual statistics for that wild claim. What have you for facts to back that up, SDH?

And what do we need black footed ferrets for anyway?
 
Everything has the right to live and we as humans need to keep as much alive as we possible can. But then you wouldnt understand that would you. It might cost you some money.
I agree with SDH Conata Basin is a very special place.
I am saying ALL pdogs and noxious weeds DO NOT come from public lands, like every producer out there portrays.
 
Everything has the right to live and we as humans need to keep as much alive as we possible can. But then you wouldnt understand that would you. It might cost you some money.
I agree with SDH Conata Basin is a very special place.
Have you ever seen Conata Basin? I have and while it used to be a special place, now it's a disaster area that looks like the surface of the moon.
I am saying ALL pdogs and noxious weeds DO NOT come from public lands, like every producer out there portrays.
Every producer out thinks all prairie dogs and noxious weeds come off public lands? You can't even read, can you? And you don't exaggerate at all...

Congratulations publichunter, you've proven me wrong again. I was beginning to believe you actually might be able to think for yourself, but I see I've overestimated your intelligence. Sorry about that.
 
There is nothing wrong with Conata Basin that rain would not take care of
LB if I cant reead it appears you cant write, I dont exaterate I have been to many public meetings where the producers testifying say that the weeds a pdogs come off of public lands.
LB I am much more of a open thinker that you are living in your little rancher world in Harding Co.
 
publichunter said:
Everything has the right to live and we as humans need to keep as much alive as we possible can. .
Another stupid statement. You liberal , full body hair, tree hugging bunny lovers are exposing all your knowledge here in one or two threads. Peace man.
 
Red Robin it is only a stupid statement because you disagree with it, as some of the things you have said on here I dont agree with but I beleive you are entitled to your opinion and even though I may not agree with it I dont call you or your statement stupid. The differance between an evolved human and.....
 
publichunter said:
Red Robin it is only a stupid statement because you disagree with it, as some of the things you have said on here I dont agree with but I beleive you are entitled to your opinion and even though I may not agree with it I dont call you or your statement stupid. The differance between an evolved human and.....
Yes, you're much more evolved than us Christians. Tell us the need for the living thing we call the aids virus?
 
Actually since I know you're a cattle producer or you wouldn't be here on this site, what is the need for the ecoli bacteria0-157:h7? Why , by your evolved logic, shouldnt' we eradicate it? O wise one.
 
I said all living things, I would think you should be able to determine the differance between a living animal and a virus.
There are some viruses that greatky enhance our living on this planet, there are some bad ones also.
 
publichunter said:
I said all living things, I would think you should be able to determine the differance between a living animal and a virus.
There are some viruses that greatky enhance our living on this planet, there are some bad ones also.
Exactly , you said all living things. Do you know the difference between living things and dead? What you really ment to say is that every living cute , loveable little animal. What is cute and lovable to you is a nightmare to a rancher.
 
Well you are wrong once again red robin, I dont like rattlesnakes, rats, other vermine, I really dont like p. dogs but they deserve a place in this world. and not every living thing, proplr, lives revolve around you poor ranchers.....
 

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