Question about mandatory ID

[Anonymous]

MRJ
"Dick, sorry I can't put in one syllable for you, but NCBA Policy/Dues/Membership organization and the NCBA PAC are two SEPARATE organizations. Not all members of the NCBA Policy div. are members of the PAC. It is ONLY the PAC members who make those contributions and decide to whom to contribute. I happen to be a member of both organizations."
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My God how many committees, subcommittees, sub sub committees, sections, divisions, and subgroups does NCBA have :???: No wonder no one knows what NCBA's current policy is- I doubt if they do!!!!

I definitely don't want some group sub committee using the name of an organization I belong to, to blindly support any politician they think they can buy off...Where does this PAC subsection of NCBA hold their convention or do you just blindly donate?

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandhusker have you ever contributed to a political candidate or party?

Never

Some good people could have used your help. It not wrong to support the people you believe in.

You're probably right, BMR, but I think the whole electorial process down here absolultly stinks. I'll do my duty and vote an informed vote, but the money part of the equasion is beyond rediculous and shameful.

It would be nice if people could just chuck in a few bucks to help out a candidate anonomously, but that doesn't work. There has to be a trail where funds come from and that makes it impossible. Also, you can't seperate the good intended money from that which has strings attached.

It takes way too much money to campaign for office now - the way they think they have to. Millions are spent on littering the landscape with signs and on radio and TV spots where they ALL only tell the half of the story that benefits them. Then the opponent spends a few hundred thousand to say, "You're a liar", then another bundle of money is spent to say, "No, you're the liar", etc... To fund this waste of money, they need "contributions", and the bigger contributions that help any don't come without expectations.

I saw an episode of some politial show where they had 5 retiring Senators answering questions. Paul Simon of IL and J.J. Exon of Nebraska were among them, so this has been a little while ago. The question was posed about the influence of campaing "contributions". Simon said, "I come home late after a long day and there are 10 people who want calls returned. I've got time for one, maybe two. I know who has contributed heavily to me or my party and their name is on the list along with small contributors and some "common" constituents. Guess who is going to get their call returned". The other Senators nodded in agreement.

Sorry about the rant, but this is one topic that really burns my hiney! Thanks for letting me vent.

 

[Sandhusker]

Amen Sandhusker.

I'd prefer it is we were only allowed to put money into a SHARED funded that paid for months of NON debate type discussions shows between the candidates. Or town halls where the public could ask questions.

The last campaign and Swift Boat type "reality show" quality and veracity television shows was OUTRAGEOUS. And I don't care which candidate did such scummy stuff. I'm fed up.

How about if we screw up the election by voting for a third candidate who does not spend 1B on negative television ads?

I voted for Nader last time as my "protest vote". Not that I think he was a good canditate or anything, just fed up. My wife says I wasted my vote. I figure I got more for it that way than any other.

 

[mrj]

MRJ
"Dick, sorry I can't put in one syllable for you, but NCBA Policy/Dues/Membership organization and the NCBA PAC are two SEPARATE organizations. Not all members of the NCBA Policy div. are members of the PAC. It is ONLY the PAC members who make those contributions and decide to whom to contribute. I happen to be a member of both organizations."
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My God how many committees, subcommittees, sub sub committees, sections, divisions, and subgroups does NCBA have :???: No wonder no one knows what NCBA's current policy is- I doubt if they do!!!!

I definitely don't want some group sub committee using the name of an organization I belong to, to blindly support any politician they think they can buy off...Where does this PAC subsection of NCBA hold their convention or do you just blindly donate?

OT, you simply do not understand how broadly focused NCBA is. With more than 23,000 cattle producer members, there are many things that interest and affect those members' cattle businesses. They bring those interests to the meetings and committees are the natural result.


There are the Production Research Committee (the one I served on most recently for SDCA), Product Enhancement Committee, Human Nutrition Research Committee, Beef Safety Committee, Market Research Working Group all under the Joint Industry Research & Knowledge Management Group. Those are Joint, meaning with the CBB and the Federation Division and do not get into issues like the Policy Div. does, which is another differendt group of committee.

The simple answer is that there are as many committees, sub-committees, etc. as the members decide we want and need.

We do have a handy, dandy book of Committee activities. Maybe sometime I will share some of that with the people at ranchers.net, but not today. Busy week.

While/if I have your attention, I easily found the dues listing on the www.beefusa.org site.

Dues basically range from $50.00 for owners of 0 - 50 head, up to $600.-- or more for 1501 head. Fair share dues of 20 cents per cow/calf unit and/or ten cents per stocker start at 500 head on up.

Also, the NCBA PAC holds fundraisers at various times, including during the membership conventions. There are quite a few other groups working together for the good of the cattle industry meeting at that time..... CBB, Federation of State Beef Councils, National CattleWomen, and various state groups and breed groups.

Not everyone participates in every group, but we have common goals, especially as in our MISSION STATEMENT: NCBA ....working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand.

Our VALUES are similar as well: *People are our greatest asset *Trust among producers, members, partners and staff * Integrity in operations *Discipline in strategic implementation *Fiscally responsible with our resources.

It is a good outfit, working for ranchers every day.

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

MRJ, "Not everyone participates in every group, but we have common goals, especially as in our MISSION STATEMENT: NCBA ....working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand.

They would be more accurate if they inserted the word "global" between "for" and "cattle" because they sure aren't concentrating on the US producers. :lol:

 

[mrj]

MRJ, "Not everyone participates in every group, but we have common goals, especially as in our MISSION STATEMENT: NCBA ....working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand.

They would be more accurate if they inserted the word "global" between "for" and "cattle" because they sure aren't concentrating on the US producers. :lol:

I disagree with your statement, and wonder, how can you say what NCBA is concentrating, or not concentrating on, since you know so little about what the organization actually is doing???

MRJ

 

[Sandhusker]

MRJ, "Not everyone participates in every group, but we have common goals, especially as in our MISSION STATEMENT: NCBA ....working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand.

They would be more accurate if they inserted the word "global" between "for" and "cattle" because they sure aren't concentrating on the US producers. :lol:

I disagree with your statement, and wonder, how can you say what NCBA is concentrating, or not concentrating on, since you know so little about what the organization actually is doing???

MRJ

I know a little about what they're doing. They're going against the US producer on COOL, M-ID, CAFTA, BSE testing, ...

 

[mrj]

MRJ, "Not everyone participates in every group, but we have common goals, especially as in our MISSION STATEMENT: NCBA ....working to increase profit opportunities for cattle and beef producers by enhancing the business climate and building consumer demand.

They would be more accurate if they inserted the word "global" between "for" and "cattle" because they sure aren't concentrating on the US producers. :lol:

I disagree with your statement, and wonder, how can you say what NCBA is concentrating, or not concentrating on, since you know so little about what the organization actually is doing???

MRJ

I know a little about what they're doing. They're going against the US producer on COOL, M-ID, CAFTA, BSE testing, ...

Obviously, a majority of the 23,000+/- cattle producing members of NCBA do not agree with you.

MRJ