Question for Hereford Breeders
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Nicky
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Is that what you run?
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shorthorn said:
shorthorn-- I agree, that is a good cross...For years we ran Shorthorn and Hereford bulls with the hereford and hereford/shorhorn X cows- great crossbred cows...Then started throwing an angus bull in too and found nothing better than those baldy heifers- even tho some had a little extra white or were roany at times with the shorthorn....
Then with the trend changes it became harder to find good hereford bulls close by and almost impossible out here to find a shorthorn bull anymore...Kind of easier to go straight black...
And then around here if you sell anything roany or with too much white the buyers immediately assume Longhorn/ or use that color excuse and dock you or cut back the calf......
Jinglebob
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If we sold cattle by how they tasted instead of what they weighed, we'd all be running corrientes and longhorns, from the meat I've eaten!
shorthorn
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A good friend of mine raises solid red shorthorn bulls. He caters to the commercial market and sells around a 100 bulls a year. He ultrasounds and keeps all carcass data. He shipped 5 bulls to montana last year to a hereford commercial herd but cannot remember the name of the herd. There is good bulls out in montana also. There is a very good herd in kansas that has good bulls for sale to.
DOC HARRIS
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From the comments on this post, there is as much or more disparity between which meat tastes good as there is between which breed:
1 - Breeds better
2 - Weans better
3 - Milks better
4 - Mothers better
5 - Calves easier
6 - Crosses better
7 - Marbles better
8 - Ribeyes better
9 - Grids better
10-Ultrasounds better
11-"Pretty's" and "Cute's" better
12-And "on" and "on's" better
In other words - whatever one person wants, thinks, desires, or has experienced - some other person says, "Horse Pucky!"
That is why some people live in Canada, some live in Tierra del Fuego, some live in Mongolia and some live in Tonga (DON'T go there).
As far as the "taste thing" goes - I can't stand Cucumbers or Beets! I also don't like the "mushy" Longhorn Beef. I guess that's why the Menu's in Restaurants are getting bigger and BIGGER and B I G G E R :shock:
My point is - Thank God we don't all like the same thing! According to the Constitution of the United States, Americans have the RIGHT to be Ignorant! I don't know about the rest of the world! :?
DOC HARRIS
1 - Breeds better
2 - Weans better
3 - Milks better
4 - Mothers better
5 - Calves easier
6 - Crosses better
7 - Marbles better
8 - Ribeyes better
9 - Grids better
10-Ultrasounds better
11-"Pretty's" and "Cute's" better
12-And "on" and "on's" better
In other words - whatever one person wants, thinks, desires, or has experienced - some other person says, "Horse Pucky!"
That is why some people live in Canada, some live in Tierra del Fuego, some live in Mongolia and some live in Tonga (DON'T go there).
As far as the "taste thing" goes - I can't stand Cucumbers or Beets! I also don't like the "mushy" Longhorn Beef. I guess that's why the Menu's in Restaurants are getting bigger and BIGGER and B I G G E R :shock:
My point is - Thank God we don't all like the same thing! According to the Constitution of the United States, Americans have the RIGHT to be Ignorant! I don't know about the rest of the world! :?
DOC HARRIS
DOC HARRIS
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He keeps good records, but can't "remember" the name of a good customer? :shock: :???: Refer to my post just above this one!shorthorn said:
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Soapweed
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DOC, my guess is that the breeder knows which Hereford herd he sold Red Shorthorn bulls to in Montana. It is the poster known as "shorthorn" who doesn't remember which Montana herd that received bulls which his friend sold. Anyway, this is my interpretation of the post.
DOC HARRIS
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Steve - You are probably right. That what I get for "ash - u - ming!"Soapweed said:
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shorthorn
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Soapweed you are correct he doesant forget a customer in fact he drove 4 hours to see my cows and to check and see how his bulls were doing down here. I am the very forgetful one. Ask my lovely wife she will give a hellyeah on that!
shorthorn
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oh and Doc you would love these ranchers they believe in E.P.D.S. and weigh every calf at birth and onward. They also cut a lot of bulls for to high of birth weight or other charecteristics not fitting a good bull.
DOC HARRIS
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the very few times that I have partaken of Longhorn beef (Once Prime Rib and twice round steak) the 'texture' was similar to grainy pork roast, and had a very bland, rather flat taste not UNlike beef, but not a rich, robust "Filet Mignon" flavor that a cross-bred British-Continental Yearling would present to my palate! No offense, but I don't like Longhorn meat! Nor cucumbers nor pickled beets, either. But I think that I already alluded to that! :gag:smalltime said:
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theHiredMansWife
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I've never cared about breed one way or the other. We've been on mostly Angus ranches, but there was a Gelbvieh one in there, a couple of Hereford places and two of them that raised bulls for Leechmans.
Cows are cows when you're not the one getting the check.
However, i do have a joke:
Rancher moved his cows one day but managed to miss three.
A Hereford, a Charlais and an Angus were stuck in the first pasture still... But those girls could see the rest of the herd in the next pasture.
The Charlais started pacing next to the fence a little. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did? She jumped the fence. And off she trotted to join the rest of the herd.
Well the Angus saw this and decided she wasn't one to be left behind either. She paced a little next to the fence. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did? She proceeded to stick her head through the two middle wires, popped a couple of staples and pushed her way on through the fence. And off she trotted to join the rest of the herd.
Well the Hereford was the only one left so she was getting a little distressed. She didn't want to be left behind either.
She paced a little next to the fence. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did?
She prolapsed. :wink:
Cows are cows when you're not the one getting the check.
However, i do have a joke:
Rancher moved his cows one day but managed to miss three.
A Hereford, a Charlais and an Angus were stuck in the first pasture still... But those girls could see the rest of the herd in the next pasture.
The Charlais started pacing next to the fence a little. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did? She jumped the fence. And off she trotted to join the rest of the herd.
Well the Angus saw this and decided she wasn't one to be left behind either. She paced a little next to the fence. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did? She proceeded to stick her head through the two middle wires, popped a couple of staples and pushed her way on through the fence. And off she trotted to join the rest of the herd.
Well the Hereford was the only one left so she was getting a little distressed. She didn't want to be left behind either.
She paced a little next to the fence. She looked up the fenceline. She looked down the fenceline.
You know what she did?
She prolapsed. :wink:
ranchwife
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hiredmanswife-----
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
my hubby raises angus and angus cross (baldies) and my dad was raised in north dakota raising hereford and i have NO DOUBT that the hubby will get quite a charge outta your joke!!!
kris
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my hubby raises angus and angus cross (baldies) and my dad was raised in north dakota raising hereford and i have NO DOUBT that the hubby will get quite a charge outta your joke!!!
kris
hometowngurl
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Well now that I have done all my reading for the next week, :lol: :lol: 
please tell me, if it is the Hereford cow or the bull that has the trait of bad eyes. And while a hereford cow can get mean sometimes, maybe she is just trying to tell you something, Gunslinger. :lol: 8) Herefords do make the BEST hamburger, dad used to turn all his old bulls into burgers and they were good eatin'. Hey Soapweed, Gallofords, isn't that a type of RED Whine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :cowboy:
Nice joke Hiredman's wife,but we have seen red angus x Brahmas that can prolapse faster that a Herefords ever thought of!!!
:lol: 8) retty: :clap: :mrgreen: :cboy:
please tell me, if it is the Hereford cow or the bull that has the trait of bad eyes. And while a hereford cow can get mean sometimes, maybe she is just trying to tell you something, Gunslinger. :lol: 8) Herefords do make the BEST hamburger, dad used to turn all his old bulls into burgers and they were good eatin'. Hey Soapweed, Gallofords, isn't that a type of RED Whine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :cowboy:
Nice joke Hiredman's wife,but we have seen red angus x Brahmas that can prolapse faster that a Herefords ever thought of!!!
:lol: 8) retty: :clap: :mrgreen: :cboy:Hereford76
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This message is in response to the question posed to Hereford breeders on what you would be doing by influencing your herd with Herefords.
Initially all I want to say is that you answered your own question when you stated that Herefords are 1/2 the equation when making a black baldy cow. But there is a lot more to be said than the Hereford breed contributes to the top three F1 cross cows (HerefordxGelbvieh, HerefordxCharolais, HerefordxAngus) in production today. As with any breed the Herefords have changed a lot over the years - some for the good and some not, but regardless of the trends some very prepotent traits have always been a part of the Hereford breed. To me the most important of them is what I refer to as DO-ABILITY, rugged cattle with hardiness, fertility, mother-ability, prolificy, and docility all rolled up into one breed. I make my living in the Heart of the Great North American Desert where we rely on about 8 inches of precipitation annually and 6 of the last 10 years we have had less than 5.5 inches of precip annually. The county I live in has lost over 90% of its tax base from cattle and the few guys that still have cows either have Hereford or Hereford cross cows. As a cattleman, I don't know how Hereford influence can be overlooked by the beef industry. I believe that most people making a living raising or feeding cattle today have to pay attention to their bottom line and cannot afford ineffeciency anymore. Heterosis is something I cannot believe producers overlook but I can understand producers hesitance about Hereford Cattle. I realize that our nations cowherd is predominately black and there has been atleast one generation of ranchers that have no direct experience with Hereford cattle and all they have to go buy is the stories that "Grandpa" used to tell about his old Hereford cows. I have experienced most of the stories and traits producers corellate with Herefords such as prolapse and cancer eye but to the breed's defense I want to say that those cattle are gone and if you still see those kind of problems you need to go somewhere else for your genetics. The last 10 years has been pretty tough for Hereford breeders and the breed has seen a lot of good producers and good cattle end up as commercial cows especially in Montana where the cattlemen are finatic about "black" cattle. My point is that over the last 10/15 years there has been as hard a culling effort within the Hereford breed as there ever has been and prolapse and cancer eye is less problematic in the Hereford breed today than it is in several other breeds.
I guess to sum this up, efficiency in all aspects of the beef industry today is what will keep you in the business. Efficiency will be the most important change you will make by influencing your herd with Herefords.
Also to respond to the Horned vs Polled issue - I've always believed that you need to make that decision from your own experience. Try a good Holled bull and try a good polled bull and you decide what you like better. I have my own beliefs on the issue but they came from personal experience.
Also if anyone is wondering about the dilutor gene within the Hereford breed, please feel free to ask me. I have paid a great deal of attention to the issue and have knowledge on this science behind it that a lot of purebred breeders don't.
Initially all I want to say is that you answered your own question when you stated that Herefords are 1/2 the equation when making a black baldy cow. But there is a lot more to be said than the Hereford breed contributes to the top three F1 cross cows (HerefordxGelbvieh, HerefordxCharolais, HerefordxAngus) in production today. As with any breed the Herefords have changed a lot over the years - some for the good and some not, but regardless of the trends some very prepotent traits have always been a part of the Hereford breed. To me the most important of them is what I refer to as DO-ABILITY, rugged cattle with hardiness, fertility, mother-ability, prolificy, and docility all rolled up into one breed. I make my living in the Heart of the Great North American Desert where we rely on about 8 inches of precipitation annually and 6 of the last 10 years we have had less than 5.5 inches of precip annually. The county I live in has lost over 90% of its tax base from cattle and the few guys that still have cows either have Hereford or Hereford cross cows. As a cattleman, I don't know how Hereford influence can be overlooked by the beef industry. I believe that most people making a living raising or feeding cattle today have to pay attention to their bottom line and cannot afford ineffeciency anymore. Heterosis is something I cannot believe producers overlook but I can understand producers hesitance about Hereford Cattle. I realize that our nations cowherd is predominately black and there has been atleast one generation of ranchers that have no direct experience with Hereford cattle and all they have to go buy is the stories that "Grandpa" used to tell about his old Hereford cows. I have experienced most of the stories and traits producers corellate with Herefords such as prolapse and cancer eye but to the breed's defense I want to say that those cattle are gone and if you still see those kind of problems you need to go somewhere else for your genetics. The last 10 years has been pretty tough for Hereford breeders and the breed has seen a lot of good producers and good cattle end up as commercial cows especially in Montana where the cattlemen are finatic about "black" cattle. My point is that over the last 10/15 years there has been as hard a culling effort within the Hereford breed as there ever has been and prolapse and cancer eye is less problematic in the Hereford breed today than it is in several other breeds.
I guess to sum this up, efficiency in all aspects of the beef industry today is what will keep you in the business. Efficiency will be the most important change you will make by influencing your herd with Herefords.
Also to respond to the Horned vs Polled issue - I've always believed that you need to make that decision from your own experience. Try a good Holled bull and try a good polled bull and you decide what you like better. I have my own beliefs on the issue but they came from personal experience.
Also if anyone is wondering about the dilutor gene within the Hereford breed, please feel free to ask me. I have paid a great deal of attention to the issue and have knowledge on this science behind it that a lot of purebred breeders don't.
Hereford76
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Oldtimer said:
I can say as Hereford breeder that this is a question I would love to know the answer to. Basically there is no one that knows the answer to you dilutor question. There can be a strong case made that the dilutor gene was inherited by another breed but on the other hand there is a case to be made that the dilutor gene occurs naturally within the Hereford breed. Personally, the case for the dilutor gene naturally being present within the Hereford breed doesn't hold water - but we will probably never know the answer for sure.
All I can say is that if you want to use a Hereford bull and you don't want a smokey calf then make sure and ask the breeder this very question. There are a lot of good Hereford Herds out there that do not have any suspect bloodlines as far as the dilutor gene or any other defects and if it is important to you then you need to do the research and find them. This is the biggest problem that I have with the Hereford association and it's answer to the dilutor cattle - as a commercial cattleman, you shouldn't have to ask or do your own research on the cattle to determine the chances of getting a smokey calf. I applaud the Hereford breeders that are honest and up front about it and have the integrity to solve the problem.
If anyone would like to know the dilutor cattle within the Horned or Polled Hereford breed, I would gladly inform you and even put you in touch with someone who can prove it scientifically.
WB
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I was wondering where OXH Monarch obtained the diluter gene. Pedigree says he shouldn't have it.