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R-CALF Losses Affiliates

How does the system work. If an organization drops its affiliate and does not affiliate with another national organization will they just deal with state issues?

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ICA withdraws affiliate status with R-CALF

Lockhart, Texas, March 8, 2007 – The Independent Cattlemen's Association of Texas announced today that effective immediately the Texas-based association of Texas cattle producers would cease to be affiliated with R-CALF USA. ICA's state board of directors voted unanimously to support this action.

According to ICA State President Bruce Dopslauf, the board believes that a national organization must be mindful of and represent the interests of cattle producers from all regions of the United States. Recent changes in the R-CALF board of directors and subsequent policy shifts emphasize a more regional approach to cattle producer problems. President Dopslauf also stated that the board felt R-CALF's move towards increased use of aggressive litigation to solve issues is costly and not productive for ICA members.

"The recent resignations of numerous board members, committee chairs and the entire Washington, D.C., staff have left R-CALF without valid representation to express producer views in the U.S. Congress and U.S. Department of Agriculture," said Dopslauf. He went on to say that it is difficult to forge working relationships in the courtroom.

"The Independent Cattlemen's Association of Texas will continue to affiliate with national organizations that work on issues important to our members," Dopslauf added. "We remain committed to mandatory country-of-origin labeling, abolishing the estate tax and numerous other issues critical to the survival and profitability of our members.

"We anticipate full support from our fellow Texans as we strive to represent the cow-calf producers of our state," said Dopslauf.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Wonder what Haymaker has to say about this. Bet his world is crumbling. :roll:

It is my humble opinion that the ICA is no more than a glorified insurance agency......................good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Wonder what Haymaker has to say about this. Bet his world is crumbling. :roll:

It is my humble opinion that the ICA is no more than a glorified insurance agency......................good luck

If they are anything like the farm bureau, they are against producers, and not for them.
 
Well, ICA did the BEST thing representing their producers by disaffiliating with R-CALF. What a mess. Funny thing, when one person has the courage to speak out, more join in. I have utmost respect for swift horses for having the courage to put up a website regarding R-CALF and their problems. The membership has every right to know where their money is going and where their national leadership is taking them. It seems to me for all these years, R-Calf used the "emotions" of their members to move forward. Sorry, emotions don't work as we are finding out with the implosion of R-CALF.
 
Hanta Yo said:
Well, ICA did the BEST thing representing their producers by disaffiliating with R-CALF. What a mess. Funny thing, when one person has the courage to speak out, more join in. I have utmost respect for swift horses for having the courage to put up a website regarding R-CALF and their problems. The membership has every right to know where their money is going and where their national leadership is taking them. It seems to me for all these years, R-Calf used the "emotions" of their members to move forward. Sorry, emotions don't work as we are finding out with the implosion of R-CALF.

Hanta emotions and egos is what caused the problem,at a very bad time .............good luck
PS swifthorses deserves no respect till they quit hiding their identity,maybe if/when they reveal their identity their cause will be clear ? 5 will get you 10 it will be some personal vendetta.
 
Hanta Yo said:
Well, ICA did the BEST thing representing their producers by disaffiliating with R-CALF. What a mess. Funny thing, when one person has the courage to speak out, more join in. I have utmost respect for swift horses for having the courage to put up a website regarding R-CALF and their problems. The membership has every right to know where their money is going and where their national leadership is taking them. It seems to me for all these years, R-Calf used the "emotions" of their members to move forward. Sorry, emotions don't work as we are finding out with the implosion of R-CALF.

Membership should know where leadership is taking them since the current leadership is doing exactly what the last mail-in ballot told them to do.

I don't have much respect for somebody who hides behind a pen name - unless they were truly being threatened. If what they are saying is the truth, why not stand behind it? What's the problem? What are they afraid of?
 
Sandhusker,

Maybe I am reading your post wrong, but you seem to be implying that the things being stated on swifthorses.com is not true. How can you say that when they are providing the documents that back up what they are saying.
 
Sandhusker said:
Hanta Yo said:
Well, ICA did the BEST thing representing their producers by disaffiliating with R-CALF. What a mess. Funny thing, when one person has the courage to speak out, more join in. I have utmost respect for swift horses for having the courage to put up a website regarding R-CALF and their problems. The membership has every right to know where their money is going and where their national leadership is taking them. It seems to me for all these years, R-Calf used the "emotions" of their members to move forward. Sorry, emotions don't work as we are finding out with the implosion of R-CALF.

Membership should know where leadership is taking them since the current leadership is doing exactly what the last mail-in ballot told them to do.

I don't have much respect for somebody who hides behind a pen name - unless they were truly being threatened. If what they are saying is the truth, why not stand behind it? What's the problem? What are they afraid of?


You mean like Econ?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
Hanta Yo said:
Well, ICA did the BEST thing representing their producers by disaffiliating with R-CALF. What a mess. Funny thing, when one person has the courage to speak out, more join in. I have utmost respect for swift horses for having the courage to put up a website regarding R-CALF and their problems. The membership has every right to know where their money is going and where their national leadership is taking them. It seems to me for all these years, R-Calf used the "emotions" of their members to move forward. Sorry, emotions don't work as we are finding out with the implosion of R-CALF.

Membership should know where leadership is taking them since the current leadership is doing exactly what the last mail-in ballot told them to do.

I don't have much respect for somebody who hides behind a pen name - unless they were truly being threatened. If what they are saying is the truth, why not stand behind it? What's the problem? What are they afraid of?


You mean like Econ?

Econ,has already identified himself to members of the board,do I need to remind you how long it took before you identified yourself as Mr Tam :D ...............good luck
 
jojo said:
Sandhusker,

Maybe I am reading your post wrong, but you seem to be implying that the things being stated on swifthorses.com is not true. How can you say that when they are providing the documents that back up what they are saying.

There are DEFINITELY some things on there that are not true. But what is most condemning is a lot of things that are left out.

You know that old thing about the truth, the whole truth. Well, there may be a few truthful tidbits in it, but it is VERY far from the WHOLE truth.

The IC of Texas letter of disaffiliation got some things wrong, too. The board has not moved toward lawsuits. The BSE/Canadian border lawsuit is consistent with membership passed policy. That policy is at least a year old. There are no lawsuits on COOL, animal ID, captive supply, property rights or the other stuff they're working on.

There are, after all, three branches of government. Why not address them all?
 
ocm when are you ever going to bring something that backs what you hint you know? If what is on Swift horses is false bring something to prove it. Time to come clean, if you really have something, who ever you are!!!!! :roll:
 
Tam said:
ocm when are you ever going to bring something that backs what you hint you know? If what is on Swift horses is false bring something to prove it. Time to come clean, if you really have something, who ever you are!!!!! :roll:

I don't think most of the details are anybody's business except R-CALF members. And I am sharing information with those members who are interested.
 
The biggest problem is the current R-CALF leadership is not speaking to its members. Their silence could be their undoing. Truth and transparency to the membership is what is needed. Detractor will always present a bias story.
 
ocm said:
jojo said:
Sandhusker,

Maybe I am reading your post wrong, but you seem to be implying that the things being stated on swifthorses.com is not true. How can you say that when they are providing the documents that back up what they are saying.

There are DEFINITELY some things on there that are not true. But what is most condemning is a lot of things that are left out.

You know that old thing about the truth, the whole truth. Well, there may be a few truthful tidbits in it, but it is VERY far from the WHOLE truth.

The IC of Texas letter of disaffiliation got some things wrong, too. The board has not moved toward lawsuits. The BSE/Canadian border lawsuit is consistent with membership passed policy. That policy is at least a year old. There are no lawsuits on COOL, animal ID, captive supply, property rights or the other stuff they're working on.

There are, after all, three branches of government. Why not address them all?


Boy, you R-Calf members are backed in a corner and scratching at air to get out. I don't see how swift horses is a lie, look at all the documentation!! I would like to see you guys prove it is all a lie. Of course, you'll use the excuse, "for R-calf membership eyes only" so you can slither out of that one :roll:
 
Well, Hanta, back up and look at the rationale of you and a few others here concerning R-CALF; It's a completly negetive and antagonistic relationship. You're not really concerned with anything but looking for chinks and opportunity to attack. Anything from you concerning R-CALF is guaranteed to be negetive, so why have anything to do with you? You're like a liberal at a Republican convention.
 
ocm said:
Tam said:
ocm when are you ever going to bring something that backs what you hint you know? If what is on Swift horses is false bring something to prove it. Time to come clean, if you really have something, who ever you are!!!!! :roll:

I don't think most of the details are anybody's business except R-CALF members. And I am sharing information with those members who are interested.

OH PLEASE, this whole mess is being fought out on the World Wide Web and you think by personally explaining what you think you know to "only members" you are going to protect R-CALF's reputation. :roll: :roll: I guess you think doing major damage control is best done one member at a time. :lol2: :lol2: Better get at it ocm you have already lost 7,500 members now that the Texas group left. Maybe if you go explain your inside poop to them they will come back under Bills wing :wink: By the comments on the Blog the the Texas guys are not the only ones you better get phone numbers for as most of them are not renewing either by the looks of it. Better get after it as Bill is counting on those membership dues to line his pockets. :wink:
 
Well, Tam, now that there is nobody left in R-CALF, maybe you can abort your obsession with us and direct your efforts towards something positive like regaining control of your industry up there. Got any ideas?
 

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